Official Post Game Thread- Broncos beat the Pats

[SHOWTIME15]

I like Cam but many of the deflected passes at the line are on him.

The guy played well through the first 4 games...we should just chill with the criticism for now. Let's see what the rest of the season brings. If he plays like he did today for the rest of the season, he's toast. But I must say he's had TWO opportunities to be clutch in the final minutes of the game - one against Seattle and again today and he failed both times.

 

[sb1]

Imagine Von Miller rushing that OL today. Yikes. Could have been just like the 2015 AFCCG.

 

[moejr]

Sad when the Dolphins are .500 and we're under .500

 

[SVN]

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[SVN]

I’ve always kind of considered this season an 8-8 season. 2021 is where Bill truly has the chance to rebuild this team into something special. The lack of practices, especially when you consider that most of them are non-padded is a red herring. We supposedly have the GOAT HC. It wasn’t the first time he’s had to get a team ready on short notice. If he’s the GOAT HC, he should have been able to mitigate this situation during a bye week against what was thought to be a vastly inferior team at home. The criticism is going to be even louder as Pats fans watch as Brady drops one dime after another en route to a blowout against a (formerly) 4-0 team.

You maybe right but i dont think they got any momemtum to the prep. They practice one day -shutdown next two days. Then different positions work out at seperate times. Then friday another +ve test and more facility closure. then shaq mason is +ve. Not an excuse to lose to a 1 win team but thats where we are.

 

[Ring 6]

When the pats scored a td down 18-3 they, correctly, went for 2. How did Trent Green not understand this? If you need 2 TDs and a 2 point conversion on one of them of course you go for 2 the FIRST time that way you know now whether you get the 2 and can play the rest of the game accordingly. In this case they knew they needed 2 scores because they missed it.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

They have the same types of talent they have had for years. The very approach that emphasizes team over individual success, causing the claim of lack of talent made this the most successful franchise ever. The franchise was built from the trenches out and lost a game today because they were decimated there on both sides of the ball due to a worldwide pandemic.
I don’t think we need to worry that the last 20 years are smoke and mirrors and we need to scrap the plan.

When have they had garbage at TE? 2000, 2001, 2019, 2020. That’s it.

They didn’t have big name receivers in their SB winning years. But Brown, Branch, Patten, Givens, Edelman, Amendola, LaFell, Hogan, and Mitchell could all separate, and all would have been good enough to have been at least #2 WRs with other teams during the SB winning years. And those are just the SB winning years and ignoring good WRs on other teams - Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Stallworth, Lloyd, Cooks. That’s not the type of talent they have now.

The Patriots have been able to win with their approach because they were still able to acquire quality NFL starters. For whatever reason, they don’t have that now. I’m not saying they need to spend a top 15 pick on a WR, or sign a free agent to a 5 year $100m contract. I’m just saying they need to figure out what’s broken down recently, because they were able to get good players before but haven’t been able to do that now.

 

[Ring 6]

When have they had garbage at TE? 2000, 2001, 2019, 2020. That’s it.

They didn’t have big name receivers in their SB winning years. But Brown, Branch, Patten, Givens, Edelman, Amendola, LaFell, Hogan, and Mitchell could all separate, and all would have been good enough to have been at least #2 WRs with other teams during the SB winning years. And those are just the SB winning years and ignoring good WRs on other teams - Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Stallworth, Lloyd, Cooks. That’s not the type of talent they have now.

The Patriots have been able to win with their approach because they were still able to acquire quality NFL starters. For whatever reason, they don’t have that now. I’m not saying they need to spend a top 15 pick on a WR, or sign a free agent to a 5 year $100m contract. I’m just saying they need to figure out what’s broken down recently, because they were able to get good players before but haven’t been able to do that now.

Yeah we disagree.

 

[Boomer B]

They have the same types of talent they have had for years. The very approach that emphasizes team over individual success, causing the claim of lack of talent made this the most successful franchise ever. The franchise was built from the trenches out and lost a game today because they were decimated there on both sides of the ball due to a worldwide pandemic.
I don’t think we need to worry that the last 20 years are smoke and mirrors and we need to scrap the plan.

That’s not true at all. When we were winning Super Bowls since ‘14 we had the greatest TE of all time. Now we have the worst TE core in the league. We had the best short yardage chain moving WR in the league in Edelman in his prime. We had a clutch guy in Amendola. We had decent 3rd and 4th options. We are not even close in offensive talent right now then we were from ‘14 - ‘18.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

When the pats scored a td down 18-3 they, correctly, went for 2. How did Trent Green not understand this? If you need 2 TDs and a 2 point conversion on one of them of course you go for 2 the FIRST time that way you know now whether you get the 2 and can play the rest of the game accordingly. In this case they knew they needed 2 scores because they missed it.

There’s a school of thought that says you wait until the 2nd TD — because if you go for it the 1st time and miss, it demoralizes the team and lessens the chance of their continuing the comeback because of it.

I don’t buy it - I agree with your approach. But that’s the thought process.

 

[amfootball]

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Curran makes a great point about the KC game. We lost our starting QB, flew out the same day and competed our butts off against the defending champs. That being said, I didn't see a lack of effort or even a lack of fundamentals that would indicate a lack of coaching or not enough coaching. I just saw a team get beat on both sides of the ball because the talent discrepancy was glaring especially our offense vs their defense.

 

[FCB02062]

You mean ever since McDaniels came back. No coincidence. Gronk, Hernandez, Edelman were developed with Bill O'Brien. McDaniels hasn't developed anyone for 8 years nor did he do so from 05-08 either. I will give him credit for one year of Cassel.

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Skippy McDaniels didn't draft the players; Coach/GM did that

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Your assessment of the O-line and Harry are laughable.

O-line - Wynn is playing hurt. They lost Ferentz and Mason less than 48 hours apart. So they had a makeshift line that had ZERO f'in practice together. Add to that Eluemenor going down early and you had 3/5 of an O-line that hadn't taken regular snaps to this point.

In terms of Harry, he's doing excellent in his run blocking and he's getting open. You clearly missed Cam missing him ridiculously in the final series and it had nothing to do with a CB bumping him off the route.

The Patriots didn't exactly call a lot of passing plays early on because of the makeshift O-line. They went to calling more because of the hole they were in.

Cam is accountable for 2 of the sacks he took because he should have thrown the ball away. Beyond that, it was clear that the team had only had 2 practices in 14 days.

YOU and every other person throwing out assessments who don't take that into consideration don't know jack about the game and are just spewing in a vain attempt to look smart.

This guy is part of the pats fan forum clique that believes belichick can walk on water. It’s a group of 5-6 nerds who have a group chat together. They bash anyone who doesn’t share their same holy opinion of lord Belichick

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Curran makes a great point about the KC game. We lost our starting QB, flew out the same day and competed our butts off against the defending champs. That being said, I didn't see a lack of effort or even a lack of fundamentals that would indicate a lack of coaching or not enough coaching. I just saw a team get beat on both sides of the ball because the talent discrepancy was glaring especially our offense vs their defense.

Denver is a bottom feeder team...it wasn't a lack of talent that cost us today. It was key injuries and a QB who looked like he hadn't thrown a pass in weeks.

 

[pats_premi]

Sad when the Dolphins are .500 and we're under .500

true, let’s hope BB horse race finish analogy works out for the Patriots. The winner is only be determined when they cross the finish line and it does not matter who is in the lead at the midpoint.

 

[sb1]

Grades are easy this week.
Secondary A
TE: F
OL: F
Special teams: B

Everywhere else: D

 

[farn]

Curran makes a great point about the KC game. We lost our starting QB, flew out the same day and competed our butts off against the defending champs. That being said, I didn't see a lack of effort or even a lack of fundamentals that would indicate a lack of coaching or not enough coaching. I just saw a team get beat on both sides of the ball because the talent discrepancy was glaring especially our offense vs their defense.

The OL has been a strength. Today, injuries and such made it a weak unit. The 2020 Patriots don’t stand a change if the OL doesn’t play well.

Hopefully, players return & solidify.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Since the drafting of Vereen and Ridley in 2011, Bill the GM has drafted exactly ONE impact skill offensive player - James White (2014). That is why we have games like this. There is no guy like a Kamara (3d rd), Diggs (5th rd), Tyreek Hill (5th rd), or Nick Chubb (2d round) who can take a short play and turn it into a 60 yard gain. I include the round in which these guys were drafted because it shows you don't need to find skill players in the first round. We are going on EIGHT DRAFTS without a receiver, tight end, or running back who can change the game - a guy who makes a play in a game like today. A guy who instead of James White taking a 2 yard pass and making a move and getting an extra 5 yards- yippee - can make 2 or 3 moves and turn 5 yard passes into 50 yard touchdowns. It's simply non existent in this offense.

Fire our Offensive Scouts

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Skippy McDaniels didn't draft the players; Coach/GM did that

Technically sure BB is the final decision maker. But he listens to his staff. A lot. And he's been getting crap advice about offensive skill players from his OC for 8 yrs (aside from Scar).

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[SHOWTIME15]

The OL has been a strength. Today, injuries and such made it a weak unit. The 2020 Patriots don’t stand a change if the OL doesn’t play well.

Hopefully, players return & solidify.

I suspect they'll be fine. Against KC, the offense was out of sync because of Cam. Against Denver, both their offense and dfense were out of sync because of a lack of practice. I am confident that once they get their injured players back and begin practicing without any Covid-related mishaps that they'll play well again.