Official Post Game Thread- Broncos beat the Pats

[scott99]

And this makes sense because his stats on the Bucs would translate identically to our offense and team.

Quick question, who’s fault is that ? We’ve been saying for years, rookie WRs and TEs aren’t successful in the Pat’s offense. Why ? Why can’t they be ? Why don’t they utilize them ? Why can’t they tweak their offense to utilize the strengths of rookies ? They obviously tweaked the offense for Cam. Why even draft them if you’re not going to utilize them ?

We’ve seen a few. Branch, Gronkowski, Hernandez, Mitchell. Even Dobson had a somewhat successful rookie season. So it goes back to, why can’t they figure out how to utilize the offensive talent they draft high ? I would blame the rookies, but I see WRs/TEs even drafted in the late rounds successful for their teams.

 

[Kontradiction]

BB taking an L on the field and on social media.

 

[Doctor DDS]

There is no positional group on the team that requires being on the same page more than the OL. Losing Ferentz and Mason late in the week then losing Eluemunor early in the game really put the team in a bind. And this is after already losing their starting RT before the season and their starting center being on IR. Throw in the inability to practice and we saw the result.

All that said, they need to be able to put it together well enough to beat a marginal at best Broncos team. BB clearly has his work cut out for him if this team has any chance at the post season.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

This team showed heart, but it wasn't enough in the end. Our offense just wasn't very good today....maybe it was a lack of practice injuries to the line or rust, but it wasn't good enough.

Hoping for an improvement next week!!!!

Let's discuss!!!!!

This was painful, and ugly.

However, some outstanding effort and big plays to make it close.

I think we will win this division. How far we go after that will depend on health and some luck.

Priority One is committing to the run. Sometimes, EVEN WHEN WE'RE BEHIND.

This means YOU, Josh.

Yes, you.

 

[Foxypats]

This team has no play makers on the offence. When was the last time we were under 500 through 5 games? Must have been over 20 years !

 

[luuked]

This was painful, and ugly.

However, some outstanding effort and big plays to make it close.

I think we will win this division. How far we go after that will depend on health and some luck.

Priority One is committing to the run. Sometimes, EVEN WHEN WE'RE BEHIND.

This means YOU, Josh.

Yes, you.

The makeshift OL gave them a measly 2.7yd per attempt. This is one of those days where I am not sure abandoning the run was a bad idea.

 

[FCB02062]

Since the drafting of Vereen and Ridley in 2011, Bill the GM has drafted exactly ONE impact skill offensive player - James White (2014). That is why we have games like this. There is no guy like a Kamara (3d rd), Diggs (5th rd), Tyreek Hill (5th rd), or Nick Chubb (2d round) who can take a short play and turn it into a 60 yard gain. I include the round in which these guys were drafted because it shows you don't need to find skill players in the first round. We are going on EIGHT DRAFTS without a receiver, tight end, or running back who can change the game - a guy who makes a play in a game like today. A guy who instead of James White taking a 2 yard pass and making a move and getting an extra 5 yards- yippee - can make 2 or 3 moves and turn 5 yard passes into 50 yard touchdowns. It's simply non existent in this offense.

 

[Betterthanmost]

WTF are you smoking? What's disgusting is that you missed WRs getting open and Cam just not getting the ball out. Cam was late on the throw to James White that got picked. Cam threw behind Harry on the last series. Cam missed Byrd and Harry several times when they were open. Why? Rust, mostly. A couple times was because the makeshift line didn't do enough.

Harry IS an NFL WR and you'd know that if you stopped your *****ing and paid attention. He's getting open. It's not his fault that the QB doesn't get him the ball where he can catch it.

If you're going to ***** about Harry, then you should be *****ing about Edelman as well since Edelman got open all of ONE time today. ONE.

Glad someone has some hope in Harry. I don't. He is not a playmaker. I need better tape or angle, how did you see all these receivers open? Do you have special camera feed or something? Or were you at the game which will make you a staff member or someone who is very connected and are seeing that Cam is missing open receivers. I see Cam going through his progression and no one is opening early. Cam played poorly, not a surprise but do you believe this cast of WRs/TEs are sufficient? I know he underthrew the Byrd pass, but you have piqued my interest to get my hands on all 22s of this game to see if our WRs were getting open as you implied above. Will get back to you.
I must confess that I lashed out in my original posting but Harry is not a legit WRs. Maybe he can put on some weight and play as TEs because he moves like a slower TEs compared to some of the elite TEs in the league.

 

[Biffins]

So this is how the rest of the NFL has felt for last two decades. Hmmm. Feel pretty crappy.

 

[ensoul]

Another issue is that Newton was the leading rusher, and white, who I understand is a hybrid running back and receiver, leaf the Patriots and receiving.

 

[Uptown]

 

[cupofjoe1962]

I believe lack of practice hurt this week, but let’s be honest...... we lack talent at receiver, RB, & TE

I hear we are loaded at RB
You would need to be loaded to consider Sony Michel good.

Harris is ok, but he is nothing special in the passing game. How many teams have a worse starting running back?

Jets.... since they cut Bell
Anyone else?

Does any team have a worse starting TE than Izzo?

Does any team have a worse 3rd receiver than Byrd?

RB, WR, & TE all are areas that need major improvement.

 

[luuked]

Quick question, who’s fault is that ? We’ve been saying for years, rookie WRs and TEs aren’t successful in the Pat’s offense. Why ? Why can’t they be ? Why don’t they utilize them ? Why can’t they tweak their offense to utilize the strengths of rookies ? They obviously tweaked the offense for Cam. Why even draft them if you’re not going to utilize them ?

All of this has been talked about ad nauseaum. I am really too bored and sleepy to go through it all yet again.

When it comes to TEs you have heard it from various people including Brady. It is the hardest position to learn on offense (outside QB). The GOAT TE didn't have a 50yd+ game until the W10 in 2010. And this with a full slate of preseason practices and Brady in one of his MVP years.

As much as you will not like the answer the jury is still out on the TEs.


I think the reason why rookie WRs have historically not been particularly successful in our offense is that they have just too much to catch up in addition to learning the offense and getting used to the speed of the pro game. Other teams that run different offenses have unquestionably been more successful integrating rookies but does that ultimately also translate into more success ?

Ultimately what is much more interesting for me to talk about than the 69th go around of calling Harry a bust is the question what role they had envisioned for him and looking at the way he has been used. And especially the second part is one confusing mess to me. It feels like McDaniels just doesn't know what to do with Harry at times.

 

[luuked]

I hear we are loaded at RB
You would need to be loaded to consider Sony Michel good.

Harris is ok, but he is nothing special in the passing game. How many teams have a worse starting running back?

Jets.... since they cut Bell
Anyone else?

You could have your choice of HoF RB in peak condition and he would have not gained many more yards today due to catastrophic run blocking. If you entire run game averages 2.7 yards then I am not looking at the RBs but at the OL to understand why.

Before the big OL shuffling we consistently had been one of the best running teams so far in the season. There might just be a connection right there.

 

[sb1]

You could have your choice of HoF RB in peak condition and he would have not gained many more yards today due to catastrophic run blocking. If you entire run game averages 2.7 yards then I am not looking at the RBs but at the OL to understand why.

Before the big OL shuffling we consistently had been one of the best running teams so far in the season. There might just be a connection right there.

Yeah let’s just hope no more surprise positives that hurt our depth.

 

[Thelonious]

This team is 2-3 and could be 5-0 with a little luck. I'm sure not giving up but it's frustrating to lose games you should win.

This is a recycled post from the old Gang Green forum. C'mon now: admit it.

Maybe you can convince to Rex Ryan to lead the team. He'd be endlessly optimistic after a debacle like this.

The talk here about "valiant effort, "showed heart," "were in it 'til the end" and so on is a steaming pile of horses--t. This team showed nothing today, which means they showed everything they've got. I'll give 'em that much.

As for Cam, he is what he is, and that aint good.

 

[luuked]

No reason to cut him for depth reasons and he wouldn't fetch you a lot in a trade at the moment, so you keep him on the roster. Every team in the NFL has players that aren't great and they still keep around...Harry fits that mold at this moment. I don't see any sense in going out and getting another WR this season because I think there are issues on this team that need to be addressed first (O-line depth, TEs potentially) and I'd rather not give up any draft capital to have another Sanu-like situation, but I do think investing in another WR in the draft is a smart move.

So what are we talking about then ? If there is anyway nothing we can do then the only sensible path is to keep putting resources into him and giving him reps in hope to find a role for him to thrive in. What else is there ?

 

[Hyped]

My post-game comments:

1.) Yeah, we aren't good enough to survive turnovers.

2.) N'Keal Harry needs to be fed the ball more, IMO. We only had two attempts his way today I think...and one was a bit wide off the mark even if he slipped.

3.) We had to get a bit creative at the end with some double passes...this tells me that we prefer to stay in our rushing offense and play with a lead going forward.

4.) The offensive line is a bit of a problem right now. When is Andrews coming back? It's been like 3 weeks now since his surgery, no? Hope Mason can play next week...and I think we also need someone at RT. Eluemunor's injury looked like a high ankle sprain...maybe 6 weeks.

5.) We also need to get Beau Allen off I/R ASAP...and the new Davis kid needs to get up to speed. I didn't like our run D today very much...too many tackles made from behind unless we blitzed a safety, IMO.

6.) Jason McCourty should never start ahead of J.C. Jackson anymore, IMO.

7.) Give J.C. a goddamn raise right now....extend the kid!

8.) That was not PI on Gilmore, BB should have challenged the White non-first down, and BB shouldn't have called time out before the Broncos' 4th down attempt...there was still some time left and I think the Broncos wouldn't have gone for it anyway.

9.) Edelman only had a few targets? Is he hurt worse than we think?

10.) And yes...Izzo should hold onto the ball or at least transfer it to his outside hand...otherwise, I think Izzo did well...but yeah...more Asiasi/Keene...I don't care how far behind they are!

11.) Revising my season prediction from 11-5 to 10-6. Absolutely have to win next week.....I hope the Niners win tonight...I want them coming in "less desperate".

12.) Cam is now 0-4 vs. the Broncos....LOL...WTF is it with Denver and our QB's? Elway owned us for years...Brady never did well in Denver and basically only beat Kannel/Tebow...and now Cam is 0-4....

 

[catent]

This is a recycled post from the old Gang Green forum. C'mon now: admit it.

Maybe you can convince to Rex Ryan to lead the team. He'd be endlessly optimistic after a debacle like this.

The talk here about "valiant effort, "showed heart," "were in it 'til the end" and so on is a steaming pile of horses--t. This team showed nothing today, which means they showed everything they've got. I'll give 'em that much.

As for Cam, he is what he is, and that aint good.

You seem like a very angry and bitter human being. I hope you find peace, because it's obvious from your postings here (which are entirely cynical, negative, and toxic) that you're absolutely miserable.

Good luck and take care.

 

[Betterthanmost]

So this is how the rest of the NFL has felt for last two decades. Hmmm. Feel pretty crappy.

When watching the game, I made the same comment. But we do have an legit excuse for looking this way in the game. You could tell even the coaches were not prepared.