Why does 1st round pick Sony Michel play like a jag?

[203Pat]

What I just posted from Nick Caserio is very consistent with what I've been saying all along. You're the one spreading the "he's a first rounder so he has to be special" stuff, it's up to you to provide proof of such. The rest of it is you twisting things around to try to save a losing narrative.

Nope you’re right. It’s a pool of 500 available players where no one player is any better than the other and they just pick names they like. You got me.

 

[Triumph]

Through 3 games Cam ranks 23rd in attempts, they don't pass a lot for a couple reasons, one because they don't have to and two because they know not to. Cams not overly accurate, you don't want to have to pass a lot. They had to against Seattle because they were behind.

Cam Newton 66 attempts for 537 and 1 TD

Russell Wilson 68 attempts for 574 and 9 TDs, but he has DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett.

The NE WRs did not turn into Studs overnight just because Brady left. Nothing has changed. Out of this group Edelman and White are the primary producers and White has been out.

 

[Bill Lee]

Nope you’re right. It’s a pool of 500 available players where no one player is any better than the other and they just pick names they like. You got me.

As the old saying goes, you show me a sore loser, and I'll show you a loser.

 

[Ring 6]

71% accuracy 2020 NFL QUARTERBACK RATINGS | Football Outsiders

11th ranked passing and 1st ranked rushing. This is like complaining because somebody farted in your yard.

Im evaluating the player not counting up stats from 3 games against crappy defenses.

 

[Ring 6]

Cam Newton 66 attempts for 537 and 1 TD

Russell Wilson 68 attempts for 574 and 9 TDs, but he has DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett.

The NE WRs did not turn into Studs overnight just because Brady left. Nothing has changed. Out of this group Edelman and White are the primary producers and White has been out.

Um Wilson has 925 passing yards. And 14 TDs.

 

[JMC00]

RBs w/ 9 or fewer carries, 115+ yards, post-merger

 

[JMC00]

Tom Brady could run this guy down in an open field. I also said it was a good run.

Nicholas Morrow runs a 4.5 40. Stop acting like that was Brandon Spikes running him down.

 

[Ring 6]

Because Jackson threw a pick on his only pass attempt on that first drive... I'm struggling to see your point now.

Once you're down 14 points, then 14-6 at the half, then 28-6 in the third... you can't run your way back into a game, you have to pass.

In two playoff games Lamar Jackson is 0-2, has completed 51% of his passes at a measly 6.3 yards per attempt with three interceptions and four fumbles.

Great defenses will find a way to force you to play from behind, thereby force you to pass, to make you play to their strength.

My argument is that this Patriot offense needs to run the ball to set up the pass because it won’t pass effectively otherwise most of the time.

 

[PScottman]

Yes and look at them run (in their prime) compared to Sony who is supposed to be in his prime now. David Johnson was electric for a year and a half and rarely got ran down from behind. Leveon Bell broke off numerous long TD runs or pass receptions and was equally as electric in his prime. Nick Chubb has back to back years with 80+ yard TD's. There is no way you can honestly watch Sony run and tell me he looks anywhere near as fast or elusive as these guys...

Yeah and look at all the Super Bowls these RBs won the past five years. It's crazy how these teams have been carried by these RBs to untold glory. Interestingly, their TEAMS didn't even make the playoffs or worse were near the bottom of the league. Same GM that took Nick Chubb passed on cheap free agent Cam Newton for another year of Baker Mayfield. How's that working for that genius our GM should be more like?

Sorry, I'll take a 1st round guy that performs like a 2d/3d round guy every time if it means the team that they're on competes for the playoffs every year they've been with the squad. Probably either re-sign him pretty affordably at less than market or pick up a free agent giving at/near the same output in the future too. Same way I'll take an UDFA that performs like a high 1st rounder too. First world problems, boy we've got em.

 

[Triumph]

Um Wilson has 925 passing yards. And 14 TDs.

My point stands.

This year, Gordon and Dorsett would be starting in NE instead of washing the Seahawks jock straps. Lockett and Metcalf gave the NE defense all they could handle because they among the best in the NFL. Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are the same.

 

[Jlaff]

As the old saying goes, you show me a sore loser, and I'll show you a loser.

Vince Lombardi Quotes

"show me a good loser, and I'll..."

 

[JMC00]

Maybe Seattle has a solid run defense....

 

[Wozzy]

Cam Newton 66 attempts for 537 and 1 TD

Russell Wilson 68 attempts for 574 and 9 TDs, but he has DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett.

The NE WRs did not turn into Studs overnight just because Brady left. Nothing has changed. Out of this group Edelman and White are the primary producers and White has been out.

In week one N'Keal had a career high in targets and yards, in week two he almost doubled it. Byrd has played well. Not only are these receivers playing better but doing so with a lesser passer. It's attitude. Cam treats N'Keal like "a little brother," Tom treated all the rookies like red headed step children.

Cam passed because Seattle sold out to stop the run and because they were behind, and he actually looked much better in the two minute drill than he did dropping back after leaving the huddle. Seattle's defensive backfield is currently the worst in the NFL statistically, if they couldn't pass against Seattle... then who?

 

[Wozzy]

My argument is that this Patriot offense needs to run the ball to set up the pass because it won’t pass effectively otherwise most of the time.

I agree, unfortunately in the playoffs defense's become much better and the chances of running well shrink, see Seattle. You have to be able to pass well and pass from the pocket, this is the challenge for these coaches and this QB.

 

[Wozzy]

View attachment 28759

Maybe Seattle has a solid run defense....

I posted this four pages back, a select few have a knack for not hearing what doesn't fit their already determined narrative.

 

[Ring 6]

My point stands.

This year, Gordon and Dorsett would be starting in NE instead of washing the Seahawks jock straps. Lockett and Metcalf gave the NE defense all they could handle because they among the best in the NFL. Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are the same.

How does your point “stand”. You claimed that newton had basically the same yards on the same attempts and the difference is pretty much Mahomes to Darnold.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree, unfortunately in the playoffs defense's become much better and the chances of running well shrink, see Seattle. You have to be able to pass well and pass from the pocket, this is the challenge for these coaches and this QB.

And the way that you do that is commit to the run and do it successfully. Like the 49ers last year.

To be successful the Patriot passing game needs to leverage the threat of the run. I’m not sure where you see these teams that will be able to prevent the patriots from running the ball.
Baltimore didn’t lose because they couldn’t run, they ran just fine. They lost because they abandoned the run and threw it 59 times. The marathon of the score was the result of throwing it 59 times not the other way around.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

RBs w/ 9 or fewer carries, 115+ yards, post-merger

View attachment 28758

Not exactly a great list of elite, long-consistent RBs with great careers

.

 

[DaBruinz]

Not exactly a great list of elite, long-consistent RBs with great careers

Why am I not surprised you made some BS attempt to downplay that list. All you have done is shown just how much of a football noob you are.
Really? 3,4,5,6,7 and 12 are extremely well known RBs to anyone who has watched football in the last 20 years. . But yeah.. Not consistent or long career.. Out of that entire list, Only Eddie Lee Ivery was someone I had to look up.

Deangelo Williams - 11 years - 96 starts out of 142 games
Maurice Jones Drew - 9 years - 71 starts out of 126 games
Fred Taylor - 13 years - 137 starts out of 156 games
Brian Westbrook - 9 years - 90 starts out of 121 games
Tiki Barber - 10 years - 109 out of 154
Herschel Walker - 12 years - 137 starts out of 187 games
Eddie Lee Ivery - 8 years - 50 starts out of 72 games.

Heck, Napoleon Kaufman may have only had a 6 year career, but he accomplished the feat twice.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Why am I not surprised you made some BS attempt to downplay that list. All you have done is shown just how much of a football noob you are.
Really? 3,4,5,6,7 and 12 are extremely well known RBs to anyone who has watched football in the last 20 years. . But yeah.. Not consistent or long career.. Out of that entire list, Only Eddie Lee Ivery was someone I had to look up.

Deangelo Williams - 11 years - 96 starts out of 142 games
Maurice Jones Drew - 9 years - 71 starts out of 126 games
Fred Taylor - 13 years - 137 starts out of 156 games
Brian Westbrook - 9 years - 90 starts out of 121 games
Tiki Barber - 10 years - 109 out of 154
Herschel Walker - 12 years - 137 starts out of 187 games
Eddie Lee Ivery - 8 years - 50 starts out of 72 games.

Heck, Napoleon Kaufman may have only had a 6 year career, but he accomplished the feat twice.

It's interesting how so many of them basically shared duties with another RB. Unless that's the point. Michel isn't THE guy at RB. He's appropriate as part of a committee of RBs. And certainly not worth re-signing at any significant money.

.