Newton vs Stidham: Who wins the QB Battle? (poll)

[RASTAN99]

The only question about him is his health.

If there were questions about Cam's "health" he wouldn't be under contract with the New England Patriots.

Cam's healthy as a horse...count on it.

 

[RASTAN99]

No, he was calling you racist.

100%.

It's the standard nut-hugger calling card...

 

[RASTAN99]

Oh so now you want to try to pull a race card?

SOP that is.

 

[Triumph]

Clearly my post was about what is best for Stidham. Not for Newton or the team specifically. It was a response to your comment that playing Stidham with newton on the bench would put pressure on Stidham. The best thing for evaluating and developing Stidham is to put him under pressure.

FYI Newton signed here for peanuts because no one else was offering even peanuts.
It was the only job on the table so implying he had demands and expectations is odd.

QBs go down for the season every year. This year has trouble written all over it with less contact prior to the first regular season game.

All Newton had to do was stay in condition and wait.

 

[Triumph]

Newton has never thrived as a pocket passer. That’s fine, that’s his game, but pretending his skills are different than what they are is silly.
A coach talking to a former coach about a player he signs to the minimum contract certainly can’t be considered proof of anything more than he is worth the minimum.

Youre uniformed.

Wishful thinker too. Stidham has never played a entire NFL game and yet his fan club already knows that hes going to pull a Tom Brady and step in and run the NE offense like he owns the stadium. Dante Scarnechia has seen him in practice unlike you and he accurately stated that "Stidham will have growing pains."

The dreamers only see wins and confetti in Stidhams future.

 

[luuked]

My question is: why it has happened only once?

you keep talking about his 2018 season (half of it if you count the part where he was hurt). He showed you stats of his entire career, which in term of number, is average.

Because he only had one OC in his career that called the kind of offense that is conducive to high percentage stats. The other bozos that were calling plays for Carolina (Shula, Chudzinski) were running a lot of low percentage plays and emphasized his athletic ability more.

The thing that is confusing to me is that people seem to interpret anyone's historical stats as a description of the ability of a player and not as a result of the offense he has been running.

Context is king.

If you e.g. run an offense with a lot of shots you will automatically end up with a much lower completion percentage than if McDaniels calls your plays and a lot of it happens in the intermediate area of the field.

And to be frank.. only intellectually lazy people give a flying **** about what his stats were when he was running an entirely different offense than what he will be given here. How are his stats under Shula in any shape or form relevant when the called plays will be entirely different ?

If you want to talk about Cam Newton in the context of plays called by McDaniels then you can throw everything before 2018 out of the window because there is no connection.

Reality is he has shown he has the ability to run an offense with an emphasis on presnap/postsnap reads and accurate intermediate throws as he has done under Turner for half a season until his shoulder got shredded. He also has shown that he can be a successful QB without relying on his athleticism as a crutch.

Can he do it consistently over an entire season ? Can his body stay healthy through a season ? Is he even healthy enough to start ? Those answers we don't have and will have to see. And this is where Stidham's only chance is.

 

[1960Pats]

Youre uniformed.

Wishful thinker too. Stidham has never played a entire NFL game and yet his fan club already knows that hes going to pull a Tom Brady and step in and run the NE offense like he owns the stadium. Dante Scarnechia has seen him in practice unlike you and he accurately stated that "Stidham will have growing pains."

The dreamers only see wins and confetti in Stidhams future.

I hope all Pats fans end up dreamers at some point.

I picked the third option because I think Cam is ready to go but won't stay that way. He's too injury prone to last a full season.

If Stidham does start, it could be a good sign for him or a bad sign for Cam's health.

 

[lancerman]

Cam will start. If he doesn’t, there is something seriously wrong with him and he’s probably on his way out of the league.

There is absolutely zero reason to think Stidham is the guy

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

They had the Peach Bowl on last night where Stidham lost to Central Florida. I'm pretty sure the only member of that UCF Knights team in the NFL is Shaquem Griffin, meanwhile Stidham had a large number of NFL players on his team. Granted the UCF team was undefeated, but 4-8 Maryland was the only power 5 team they played (until beating Auburn).

He was 28 of 43, 1 TD, 2 INT with the last pick coming in the endzone as Auburn was trying to tie the game. Again, nothing in Stidham's resume makes you think he is a NFL QB, let alone the heir to the throne.

 

[Ring 6]

Youre uniformed.

Wishful thinker too. Stidham has never played a entire NFL game and yet his fan club already knows that hes going to pull a Tom Brady and step in and run the NE offense like he owns the stadium. Dante Scarnechia has seen him in practice unlike you and he accurately stated that "Stidham will have growing pains."

The dreamers only see wins and confetti in Stidhams future.

I’m not talking about Stidham at all I’m talking about newton.

 

[Ring 6]

Because he only had one OC in his career that called the kind of offense that is conducive to high percentage stats. The other bozos that were calling plays for Carolina (Shula, Chudzinski) were running a lot of low percentage plays and emphasized his athletic ability more.

The thing that is confusing to me is that people seem to interpret anyone's historical stats as a description of the ability of a player and not as a result of the offense he has been running.

Context is king.

If you e.g. run an offense with a lot of shots you will automatically end up with a much lower completion percentage than if McDaniels calls your plays and a lot of it happens in the intermediate area of the field.

And to be frank.. only intellectually lazy people give a flying **** about what his stats were when he was running an entirely different offense than what he will be given here. How are his stats under Shula in any shape or form relevant when the called plays will be entirely different ?

If you want to talk about Cam Newton in the context of plays called by McDaniels then you can throw everything before 2018 out of the window because there is no connection.

Reality is he has shown he has the ability to run an offense with an emphasis on presnap/postsnap reads and accurate intermediate throws as he has done under Turner for half a season until his shoulder got shredded. He also has shown that he can be a successful QB without relying on his athleticism as a crutch.

Can he do it consistently over an entire season ? Can his body stay healthy through a season ? Is he even healthy enough to start ? Those answers we don't have and will have to see. And this is where Stidham's only chance is.

What you are doing here is making up something that would support an argument you wish to make then pretending it’s fact. Your presumption is wrong.

 

[lancerman]

They had the Peach Bowl on last night where Stidham lost to Central Florida. I'm pretty sure the only member of that UCF Knights team in the NFL is Shaquem Griffin, meanwhile Stidham had a large number of NFL players on his team. Granted the UCF team was undefeated, but 4-8 Maryland was the only power 5 team they played (until beating Auburn).

He was 28 of 43, 1 TD, 2 INT with the last pick coming in the endzone as Auburn was trying to tie the game. Again, nothing in Stidham's resume makes you think he is a NFL QB, let alone the heir to the throne.

It’s tough because I think a lot of people who buy into “Belichick can do no wrong” took the fact that we went so long with Stidham as the only option as a confirmation that the people in charge felt he was the guy and was the heir apparent and assume the role. Therefore they spent months justifying it and ignoring information to the contrary.

Then we signed Cam and it was a big shock and flew in the face of all the wishful thinking on Stidham.

 

[Triumph]

They had the Peach Bowl on last night where Stidham lost to Central Florida. I'm pretty sure the only member of that UCF Knights team in the NFL is Shaquem Griffin, meanwhile Stidham had a large number of NFL players on his team. Granted the UCF team was undefeated, but 4-8 Maryland was the only power 5 team they played (until beating Auburn).

He was 28 of 43, 1 TD, 2 INT with the last pick coming in the endzone as Auburn was trying to tie the game. Again, nothing in Stidham's resume makes you think he is a NFL QB, let alone the heir to the throne.

Its questionable if NE can even scout and draft a franchise NFL QB.

Brady was a fluke. **** Rehbien was begging Bill Beleichick to take him and finally BB relented in the 6th round. Do you mean to tell me that BB and the Pats draft department knew Brady was the GOAT but waited anyway?

4th Rohan Davey. I recall the days when Patriots fans were willing to trade Davey for a 1st round pick. Otherwise, no deal.
7th Cassell was an 11 win flash in the pan. He was exposed once he left the Pats.
3rd Oconnell
3rd Mallet
2nd Jimmy Baby went all the way to the big game and choked. His HC sat on the football with over 1 minute to halftime because he does not trust Jimmy. Jury is still out on Jimmy.
3rd Brissett lost his job to Phil Rivers.

 

[RASTAN99]

Then we signed Cam and it was a big shock and flew in the face of all the wishful thinking on Stidham.

Curious about the odds you would place on:

1. Cam securing the starting position going into game-1 this season?
2. Cam finishing the season with the Patriots?
3. Cam remaining with the team for 3 seasons, or more?

 

[RASTAN99]

(i) Reality is he has shown he has the ability to run an offense with an emphasis on presnap/postsnap reads and accurate intermediate throws as he has done under Turner for half a season until his shoulder got shredded.

(ii) He also has shown that he can be a successful QB without relying on his athleticism as a crutch.

(iii) Can he do it consistently over an entire season ?

(iv) Can his body stay healthy through a season ?

(v) Is he even healthy enough to start ?

Those answers we don't have and will have to see. And this is where Stidham's only chance is.

(i) Agreed.
(ii) Agreed.
(iii) Theoretically, yes.
(iv) 100% yes, his body is healthy as a horse and ready to roll.
(v) "Health" has 2 components...physical, and mental...we shall see.

You now have your answers.... (with the exception of one)

 

[lancerman]

Curious about the odds you would place on:

1. Cam securing the starting position going into game-1 this season?
2. Cam finishing the season with the Patriots?
3. Cam remaining with the team for 3 seasons, or more?

1. Is say about 80% chance gets the starting job and my only concern is whether Covid stopped him from sufficiently learning the playboo

2. Same 80%. I think Belichick protects him more. Last year was the only time he played less than 14 games.

3. I think it really depends on contract negotiations and how well he does this year. I’ll say 33% chance just because of variable

 

[Nehalem]

Shouldn't this be

Newton vs Stidham vs Hoyer?

 

[Flash]

“Bill has said that numerous times – you’re going to earn what you get,” Hoyer said. “For me, it doesn’t matter if there are 15 guys in the room. I’m always competing. When Tom was here, I was competing for the starting job, too. I probably was never going to get that, but I always competed like I was going to try to beat him out. That’s the one thing I could do to make myself better.

“You have to go in and compete like you’re going for that job, whether you’re going to get it or not. I think that’s the only way to prepare yourself in case there comes a point when you do have to play. The reality of our job is whether you’re the starting quarterback, the backup or the third-(stringer), you never know. Things can change on a week-to-week basis, and you have to be ready to go.”
......

“You compete every year,” Newton said. “It doesn’t matter how much a person is paid. It doesn’t matter how much a person is experienced. It doesn’t matter how much a person knows or doesn’t know. I think we’re all competing each and every day. I’ve been competing every single day.

“At the end of the day, you’re one game away (from losing your job) as I’ve learned this past year. At the end of the day, this is about proving your worth and doing your part.”
......

“I’m extremely excited to compete with Cam and Hoy as we go forward in training camp and get into the season and things like that,” Stidham said. “I’m really looking forward to the competition. I love competing in whatever it is.”

Stidham didn’t shy away from welcoming Newton, either.

“Honestly, I was excited,” Stidham said. “What a great opportunity to compete with another great player, to compete with Hoy and Cam.”

From The Athletic: With unprecedented QB competition looming, Pats engage in a very different camp

Regardless of how the training camp battle turns out, all three QBs have exhibited the right attitude towards the competition. I'm excited to see how this plays out.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Josh McDaniels explains how Patriots will evaluate Cam Newton, Jarrett Stidham this summer

"What really matters to me and us and what we do this training camp moving forward here and now, and how we evaluate what they’re doing on a day-by-basis in our offense with our players and our system (is) can they take care of the football, move the ball and score points when they’re out there," he said. "That’s really what all our competitions are based on -- being able to do good things and help our team win."

Doesn't sound like to me they are going to change the offense much to fit Newton...he's going to have to play within the NE system.

 

[Ring 6]

Josh McDaniels explains how Patriots will evaluate Cam Newton, Jarrett Stidham this summer


Doesn't sound like to me they are going to change the offense much to fit Newton...he's going to have to play within the NE system.

First that’s, as usual for the patriots staff, a lot of words to say nothing.
That aside you don’t change the system, you change the play calls. The system is adaptable to a statue and to a running qb. The plays are all there, we just call different ones depending upon the QB. Brady and Brisset played in the same system but the play calls made it look as if it was a different one.
If Newton is the qb we will play from the shot gun/pistol all the time instead of most of time and we will call a lot of options and designers runs that were always in the playbook, but never called when Brady was the QB, plus plays are added all the time.