Opt-Outs

[DarrylS]

THIS AZZOLE MUST BE BANNED!!! Calling for deaths on a sports fan message board??? What part of this don't the rest of you people not get?? This person IS A NUT!

Why don't you become a mod and exert your authority?? Diverging opinions and reasonable moderation make this a great message board. As much as I would like to see some folks banned never to be able to post here again makes no sense as all you or I have to do is ignore them or skip over their posts..

PatsFaninVA is a very intelligent man who has interesting opinions..

OTOH yesterday was another bad day for COVID-19 with 70K new cases and 1400+ deaths, this is very real and not getting any better.. COVID-19 and players opting out is the point of this thread.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I take Covid-19 as seriously as anyone here but this is a really dumb comparison.

It's further from the NFL case than the case of reopening schools.

Joker, I disagree with you a lot but you're not a dumb guy; you know he didn't call for the death of anyone.

He said that perhaps in order to make the downplayers realize the severity of the pandemic it may require them losing someone who is close to them.

Thank you, Dre, and yes, that's a lot closer to my intent. But as it happens, the ignore feature has long ago shielded my tender sensibilities from the wrath of Joker Good to know I still have a place to stay rent-free though.

 

[wizwor]

If C19 was counted using the same methodology that is used to count flu cases, the C19 case count would be significantly higher than it already is.

Please explain/substantiate this.

 

[BTTA]

I take Covid-19 as seriously as anyone here but this is a really dumb comparison.

Call it "dumb" if you find joy in that, but let's wait and see what happens.

I'm suggesting, through this example, that a single infected football player at training camp will cause a rapid infection through other players before it is caught. Summer camp and a football training camp have enough in common that the epidemiological example is useful.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Call it "dumb" if you find joy in that, but let's wait and see what happens.

I'm suggesting, through this example, that a single infected football player at training camp will cause a rapid infection through other players before it is caught. Summer camp and a football training camp have enough in common that the epidemiological example is useful.

I take no joy in calling it a dumb comparison, it simply IS dumb to compare this kids camp and its lax safety protocols to the NFL protocols.

From the article:

Though the camp was following the directives of an executive order issued in Georgia, it was not in full compliance with recommendations made by federal health officials at the C.D.C.

Campers and staff members were required to show proof that they had tested negative for the coronavirus no more than 12 days before arriving at the camp. Cleaning and disinfection of communal areas were enhanced; the camp required physical distancing outside cabins, and it staggered the use of communal spaces.

But while staff were required to wear cloth masks, the camp did not ask campers to do so, and did not open windows and doors to increase air circulation in buildings. The campers stayed overnight in cabins, with an average of 15 occupants in each.

Many camp activities — which took place indoors as well as outdoors — included “vigorous singing and cheering,” which can enhance spread of the virus, the report said.

 

[PatriotsReign]

and why is this crapola on a Patriots FOOTBALL fan football discussion page? it's because he's exactly who I said he is, a passive aggressive, ultra narcissistic egotist.He KNOWS to keep this crap on the political tab yet he pollutes every football thread he enters constantly with this barrage of negativity and oppressive opinion badgering.It's in the thousands of posts now and he's not showing signs of ever stopping this ridiculous jihad. I'm sick of his branding tactics and I despise what he's done here at Patsfans the past six months. Saying people need to die to prove HIS point IS calling for people's deaths in my book. I suggest he START right at home. EOS.

There are many infected with the political virus that’s been going around the past few years. The fever gets so bad they view almost everything in life as related to politics. And worst of all, the suffering can last for years after the fever has subsided

Sadly, it’s very contagious too. Stay away from these people whenever possible

 

[BTTA]

I take no joy in calling it a dumb comparison, it simply IS dumb to compare this kids camp and its lax safety protocols to the NFL protocols.

From the article:

Though the camp was following the directives of an executive order issued in Georgia, it was not in full compliance with recommendations made by federal health officials at the C.D.C.

Campers and staff members were required to show proof that they had tested negative for the coronavirus no more than 12 days before arriving at the camp. Cleaning and disinfection of communal areas were enhanced; the camp required physical distancing outside cabins, and it staggered the use of communal spaces.

But while staff were required to wear cloth masks, the camp did not ask campers to do so, and did not open windows and doors to increase air circulation in buildings. The campers stayed overnight in cabins, with an average of 15 occupants in each.

Many camp activities — which took place indoors as well as outdoors — included “vigorous singing and cheering,” which can enhance spread of the virus, the report said.

Everything you write supports what I'm saying: that the activities of summer camp, under those conditions, will be similar to the activities of a football camp, in terms of how the virus is spread. There will be similar contact and exposures, in terms of virus spread. Everything else you cite is just superficial detail.

To quote Tom Zlosnik: “There’s a danger of missing out on something useful just by assuming that it’s not possible. It might point the way to something a bit more successful.”

 

[XLIX]

and why is this crapola on a Patriots FOOTBALL fan football discussion page? it's because he's exactly who I said he is, a passive aggressive, ultra narcissistic egotist.He KNOWS to keep this crap on the political tab yet he pollutes every football thread he enters constantly with this barrage of negativity and oppressive opinion badgering.It's in the thousands of posts now and he's not showing signs of ever stopping this ridiculous jihad. I'm sick of his branding tactics and I despise what he's done here at Patsfans the past six months. Saying people need to die to prove HIS point IS calling for people's deaths in my book. I suggest he START right at home. EOS.

To quote a phrase, it's textbook pandemic porn; i.e. the people who react with thinly veiled glee at bad Covid news and secretly hope for more of the same. They know who they are and they know why they're doing it. Not only are there political agendas in place, but there's also the people who love bad news because they get to say "I told you so." I don't know how they live with themselves (I know I certainly couldn't root for the deaths of innocent thousands of my countrymen just so I could "be right" on a football forum), but I'm sure it makes for a very miserable life.

 

[Brewskies]

WOW, I came here to this Opt-Out thread to ask a question about NFL Opt-Out but only to find a battle royal going on on page 6 about something else. Let me see if I can ask my question and get an answer without disturbing the battle.

I haven't followed other teams in the NFL.

Are as many players opting out of playing this season on other teams as the Pats who have 7 so far, I think?

Thanks in advance for an answer.

Now, back to the battle. Play fair, stay safe and don't kill anyone. What is the battle about?

 

[venecol]

Aug 1 (1)
Marqise Lee, WR, New England Patriots
July 31 (4)
Chandler Brewer, OT, Los Angeles Rams
Al Woods, DT, Jacksonville Jaguars
Isaiah Prince, OT, Cincinnati Bengals
Josh Tupou, DT, Cincinnati Bengals
July 29 (5)
John Atkins, DT, Detroit Lions
Damien Williams, RB, Kansas City Chiefs
Drew Forbes, G, Cleveland Browns
Drake Dorbeck, OT, Cleveland Browns
Nate Solder, OT, New York Giants
July 28 (17)
Jason Vander Laan, TE, New Orleans Saints
Devin Funchess, WR, Green Bay Packers
Jordan Mack, LB, Carolina Panthers
Leo Koloamatangi, OL, New York Jets
Marquise Goodwin, WR, Philadelphia Eagles
Michael Pierce, DT, Minnesota Vikings
Star Lotulelei, DT, Buffalo Bills
Eddie Goldman, DT, Chicago Bears
Anthony McKinney, OT, Tennessee Titans
Patrick Chung, S, New England Patriots
Cole Wick, TE, New Orleans Saints
Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, Houston Texans
Kyle Peko, DT, Denver Broncos
Stephen Guidry, WR, Dallas Cowboys
Andre Smith, OT, Baltimore Ravens
Dont'a Hightower, LB, New England Patriots
Brandon Bolden, RB, New England Patriots
July 27 (7)
Marcus Cannon, OT, New England Patriots
Danny Vitale, FB, New England Patriots
Najee Toran, C/G, New England Patriots
Caleb Brantley, DL, Washington Football Team
Maurice Canady, CB, Dallas Cowboys
Chance Warmack, G, Seattle Seahawks
De'Anthony Thomas, WR, Baltimore Ravens
July 24 (1)
Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, G, Kansas City Chiefs

STATS: (35)

OL: 12
DL: 9
FB/TE: 3
RB: 2
WR: 5
LB: 2
DB: 2

AFCE: 9
AFCN: 6
AFCS: 3
AFCW: 3

NFCE: 5
NFCN: 4
NFCS: 3
NFCW: 2

 

[Patsgofor4]

No Adams, no Mosley....helps the Pats offense significantly.

 

[Ring 6]

The other opt out thread has become a *****y clusterf&ck so I need to start a new to ask a real question.


Does anyone know if there is an advantage to a player if he opts out vs doesn’t in the event there is no season?

thanks in advance for info

 

[patman52]

Between 50,000 and 90,000 people died in the us from the flu in flu season 2017, 6 months, with a vaccine, so you have no idea what you are talking about. Yes covid was worse then the flu this year. Much of that was based upon the fact that there was no natural immunity along with no vaccine, and rather than keep elderly in the hospitals, New York city sent the sick elderly back into nursing homes where they infected more of the most at risk and caused a huge percentage of US deaths. The common flu attacks children, especially infants, at a much much greater rate then covid-19 does. When a 75 year old dies from the flu people think it is sad but don't report it in the media. Additionally, unlike the flu, most states as well as the CDC count any death of a person who has Covid as a Covid death. They are upfront about it, but they don't do this with the flu.

My point is still that there is nothing wrong with players opting out rather than put their families at risk. Which is what this thread is about.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Everything you write supports what I'm saying: that the activities of summer camp, under those conditions, will be similar to the activities of a football camp, in terms of how the virus is spread. There will be similar contact and exposures, in terms of virus spread. Everything else you cite is just superficial detail.

To quote Tom Zlosnik: “There’s a danger of missing out on something useful just by assuming that it’s not possible. It might point the way to something a bit more successful.”

Oy vey. I assumed that I didn't have to spell it out for you but apparently I was wrong.

This kid's camp mandated only ONE negative covid-19 test over the prior TWELVE days and no testing after the camp started. The NFL players could not even enter the facility until they had THREE negative tests the prior 5 days and they will then be tested daily for the first two weeks, before eventually reducing the interval to three times per week, if all goes well.

The NFL players will not be housed in a small cabin in groups of 15, with nobody wearing masks with the windows closed.

Bill will not have them singing songs in a group without a mask.

The camp also did not have unlimited supplies of hand sanitizer and a large cleaning crew who clean every major surface every hour on the hour or the expensive technology that NFL teams can afford…touchless door entry, self sanitizing strips for the gym equipment and elevator buttons, thermal scans and contact tracing technology.

.....but other than that, you are spot on, this kids camp and an NFL training camp are exactly the same.

 

[venecol]

Oy vey. I assumed that I didn't have to spell it out for you but apparently I was wrong.

This kid's camp mandated only ONE negative covid-19 test over the prior TWELVE days and no testing after the camp started. The NFL players could not even enter the facility until they had THREE negative tests the prior 5 days and they will then be tested daily for the first two weeks, before eventually reducing the interval to three times per week, if all goes well.

The NFL players will not be housed in a small cabin in groups of 15, with nobody wearing masks with the windows closed.

Bill will not have them singing songs in a group without a mask.

The camp also did not have unlimited supplies of hand sanitizer and a large cleaning crew who clean every major surface every hour on the hour or the expensive technology that NFL teams can afford…touchless door entry, self sanitizing strips for the gym equipment and elevator buttons, thermal scans and contact tracing technology.

.....but other than that, you are spot on, this kids camp and an NFL training camp are exactly the same.

But how do you explain what is happening in MLB with much less contact than football. I've got my fingers crossed they make this work and keep players and coaches safe in the process but it seems that every day new info comes out and usually not for the better. I guess we'll see.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

No Mosley is a big blow after Adams when you look at where they played. What they were tasked with doing. NYJ could be awful this year. I can see them permanently hurting Darnold.

OL is bottom 5 and they'll be down every game so he'll be throwing for his life.

Also ...
Football is back. Maybe temporarily but its back. Can the Muppets who don't talk football go somewhere ....... else?

 

[venecol]

Mods please merge. We don't need another opt out thread.

 

[venecol]

So there's 36 players opting out so far, an AVG of 1.1 per team. Pats have 7. Clearly an outlier. I don't believe Pats players have unique circumstances that only apply to them, so something else is going on.

What do you think? I assume that as the # of players increased it created a psychological reason in the team to the point where some players that had doubts saw this team wasn't going to go far (no Brady, etc.) and maybe realized it just wasn't worth the risk given the potential return (aside from $$). This is obviously pure conjecture but it just seems odd.

Also, does anyone know if there's any validity to the tweet I posted about players w/ large guarantees being better off opting out if season ends up being canceled later?

 

[Bill Lee]

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No Adams, no Mosley....helps the Pats offense significantly.

An interesting point about Mosley:

It'll be interesting to see if a long break helps players heal more thoroughly and some guys with a bad run of injury luck can put together a good run of form after a long break. I kinda doubt that will be the case, but it's still something worth watching.

EDIT: Now it seems Breer is being a bit petty by spelling out how much coin this guy has taken from da Jete:

Note the dates above should be 3/19 and 3/20.

 

[Bill Lee]

Interesting and somewhat depressing summary:

Next men up?