Patriots QB situation

[Pat the Pats Fan]

Pretty sure it was 4 in 2000 and Brady was the 4th...

Also this database will tell you...just go through every year and sort by position

2000 New England Patriots Roster | The Football Database

Nice resource but it doesn’t list all players in training camp. Only those that made the team. Look at 2003 team, lawyer was cut before the 1st game.

 

[DaBruinz]

I stated before that I believe that Newton has to make the team. I don't believe it's guaranteed. However, I think he will. I think that his skill set is closer to what Stidham brings than what Hoyer brings. That being said, I don't think Hoyer is going anywhere because he knows the system.. Having 2 veterans behind Stidham in the event of injury or Covid would be prudent this year.

With the extra PS room, the Pats would be able to carry a 4th there.

Also, didn't the new CBA bring about new rules for having 2 veterans on the PS?

 

[Uptown]

 

[BTTA]

I thought I heard on the radio this morning that the teams will have 14 practices before the first regular season game (with of course no preseason games). And they go into camp with 80 players rather than 90.

September and October will be extended auditions for every player new to the team, and every player in IR last year.

They'll need the larger practice squad just to make that process work. Otherwise, there won't be many rookies making teams this year, other than those drafted in the first four rounds.

 

[Uptown]

 

[meatface]

The NFL seems to be trying to do this by the seat of their pants. Several states still have the first wave raging and the league doesn't seem to have any plan for if its ruled unsafe to play there.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I say they keep two.

Newton wins the job and Stidum is the backup. Hoyer gets released and will return if there's an injury.

Hoyer's presence is not about his arm talent. It's about his knowledge of the system (and his work on scout teams).

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The NFL was also considering putting a small group of practice squad players on with no veteran accrued seasons counted, in other words they could put Brian Hoyer on the practice squad.

FWIW, under the new CBA teams can have two players with unlimited experience on the PS, and 12 total, barring the proposed COVID-related expansion.

However, their salaries are fixed at ~$10K a week. [Teams are no longer allowed to overpay PS players, as the Patriots (and other teams) routinely did in previous CBAs.] I highly doubt Hoyer will stick around for that little money.

 

[DaBruinz]

FWIW, under the new CBA teams can have two players with unlimited experience on the PS, and 12 total, barring the proposed COVID-related expansion.

However, their salaries are fixed at ~$10K a week. [Teams are no longer allowed to overpay PS players, as the Patriots (and other teams) routinely did in previous CBAs.] I highly doubt Hoyer will stick around for that little money.

I don't believe that Hoyer would stick around to be on the PS. I don't think the Patriots are going to even attempt to stash him there. I think they'll carry 4 QBs this year.. 3 on the Regular squad and 1 on the PS.

 

[BTTA]

The NFL seems to be trying to do this by the seat of their pants. Several states still have the first wave raging and the league doesn't seem to have any plan for if its ruled unsafe to play there.

It is still July. Those states could have the curve flattened and well depressed by mid September if they go after it hard in the next week or two. The results of mandatory distancing, mask wearing, regular testing, and eliminating gathering in air conditioned spaces are dramatic.

We still don't know what states will opt to do that. So the NFL can't know what states will have a problem during the season.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It is still July. Those states could have the curve flattened and well depressed by mid September if they go after it hard in the next week or two. The results of mandatory distancing, mask wearing, regular testing, and eliminating gathering in air conditioned spaces are dramatic.

We still don't know what states will opt to do that. So the NFL can't know what states will have a problem during the season.

You've got at least 3 teams in states whose governors are actively preventing local leaders from taking aggressive steps to flatten the curve. (Abbott in TX won't let county judges issue stay at home orders, and Kemp in GA won't even let mayors require masks.)

 

[mgteich]

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They'll need the larger practice squad just to make that process work. Otherwise, there won't be many rookies making teams this year, other than those drafted in the first four rounds.

Usually we have about 2-4 rookies on the 53 that aren't from the first 4 rounds of the draft.. I don't see how a larger Practice Squad (than that already in the CBA) will affect this number. I do expect the number to be at the lower end.

 

[DaBruinz]

You've got at least 3 teams in states whose governors are actively preventing local leaders from taking aggressive steps to flatten the curve. (Abbott in TX won't let county judges issue stay at home orders, and Kemp in GA won't even let mayors require masks.)

Cloth Masks don't do jack. N95 masks are only partially effective. N99 or better masks are the only ones that actually work.

Look at the July 3rd Forbes article on states that have mandatory mask policies.
12 of 17 had upward 14 day trends as of July 3rd. These are states that have had the policies in place since at least the end of May. Some of them as far back as mid April.

(note: I ignored NY because it's clear they've stopped reporting new cases. Kansas and Texas had just put into place their orders as of the writing of the article.)

The Effect Of Mandatory Mask Policies And Politics On Economic Recovery: A State By State View

BTW, Abbott doesn't have the authority to prevent county judges from issuing "Stay at home" orders. TX law puts the County Judges as having the final say on how counties handle these things. The only ones who can alter what the County Judges can do is the County Commissioners themselves. And some of them have. As is the case with the Dallas County Judge who has earned the ire of the County Commissioners and people alike.

Also, for some weird reason, TX changed how it figures what constitutes a positive. As such, we've seen our positive jump ridiculously.

There is a video from a meeting involving Collin County that shows how 1 positive test under the old rules now can constitute 17 positives under the new rule..

 

[mgteich]

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There is a video from a meeting involving Collin County that shows how 1 positive test under the old rules now can constitute 17 positives under the new rule..

I don't watch the number of new cases. I watch hospitalizations and deaths. Many Southern and SW states have set records in the past month. More are close to their April highs.

 

[mgteich]

Cloth Masks don't do jack. N95 masks are only partially effective. N99 or better masks are the only ones that actually work.
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If you wear a cloth masks, this doesn't do much for you. It DOES affect how much you infect others (e.g. how far your sneeze with carry). What other countries have found is that when a large percentage wear masks, the virus is more contained. Mask "orders" is not the issue. The issue is what percentage regular wear masks when they are in public. US percentages outside of the Northeast are relatively low.

 

[luuked]

Cloth Masks don't do jack. N95 masks are only partially effective. N99 or better masks are the only ones that actually work.

So how did most countries in the world flatten their curves by requiring the use of ordinary masks ?

Of course cloth mask work to lower the overall transmission rate. It is just that they won't stop the wearer from taking in the virus. But they mitigate the amount of particles a potential positive wearer might spread to others. And that cumulative mitigation -- if enough people are wearing them -- is what drives the flat curves everywhere else.

 

[Clonamery]

Cloth Masks don't do jack. N95 masks are only partially effective. N99 or better masks are the only ones that actually work.

Look at the July 3rd Forbes article on states that have mandatory mask policies.
12 of 17 had upward 14 day trends as of July 3rd. These are states that have had the policies in place since at least the end of May. Some of them as far back as mid April.

(note: I ignored NY because it's clear they've stopped reporting new cases. Kansas and Texas had just put into place their orders as of the writing of the article.)

The Effect Of Mandatory Mask Policies And Politics On Economic Recovery: A State By State View

BTW, Abbott doesn't have the authority to prevent county judges from issuing "Stay at home" orders. TX law puts the County Judges as having the final say on how counties handle these things. The only ones who can alter what the County Judges can do is the County Commissioners themselves. And some of them have. As is the case with the Dallas County Judge who has earned the ire of the County Commissioners and people alike.

Also, for some weird reason, TX changed how it figures what constitutes a positive. As such, we've seen our positive jump ridiculously.

There is a video from a meeting involving Collin County that shows how 1 positive test under the old rules now can constitute 17 positives under the new rule..

I live in NY and I can confirm that people are dying to get in the cemeteries.

 

[RASTAN99]

It'll be interesting to see if players decide to not show up due to health concerns.

What are the odds?

I guess not showing up is an option for those born into a trust fund but otherwise they'll be there...

 

[luuked]

What are the odds?

I guess not showing up is an option for those born into a trust fund but otherwise they'll be there...

I'd be very surprised if players in situations like Cannon would not opt out. He has made enough money to live his life comfortably, so sitting out a season with a tolling contract while still making a nice six digit sum seems like a reasonable decision.

 

[micronin127]

Patriots QB situation got really interesting with the Cam Newton signing. With him, it is all about health and durability. I think he let's you play your best situational football. Great runner and creates for RBs. I would be excited to see RPO with our offensive line being so athletic.

With Newton's health/durability concerns and additional concerns of a positive COVID-19 test requiring a quarantine to anyone on the team at any time, I'd think that the Patriots have to keep 3 QBs to protect themselves. Brady was so durable, the luxury of keeping 2 QBs was predicated on Brady playing 100% of snaps. A healthy Newton is the best option, seeing what you have in Stidham is a priority, and Hoyer is veteran depth.

Newton, Stidham, Hoyer - make the 53
Smith/Lewerke - both make the PS