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OT: how would you rank these pre 1980’s quarterbacks?

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Here’s the case for Graham:

He’s the only QB on the list who was universally considered the greatest QB by individual accolades and the greatest QB by team accolades.

Starr was magnificent in the 60s and won 5 titles. During his career, though, he wasn’t regarded as the league’s best QB. He threw a lower volume of passes, and guys like Jurgensen and Unitas overshadowed him. I’d rank him right behind Graham personally. I love Starr.

Unitas is kind of the other half of Starr. Almost unheard of for individual accomplishments, and he was a relatively successful winner (not an all-time choker like Manning, but not Starr either); he came up short in the big games often. Arguably the Colts, and not the Packers, would have been the team of the 60s had Unitas not been upset with a bunch of superpower teams

Staubach was also awesome, but due to a shorter career and the Cowboys losing twice to the Steelers, it’s hard to rank him at the top of this very exclusive list. That said. I was really glad the NFL100 put him on their list because he is very underrated by modern short-sighted evaluators. I’d rank him best QB of the 70s.

Graham was universally hailed as the NFL’s best player of the 1950s. He dominated the stat sheet, end of season awards, and championships. He played in the AAFC’s four championships, winning all 4, and then in the NFL’s 6 championship games, winning 3. Yes, that’s 10 consecutive total championship games played, and 6 consecutive in the NFL. You can’t count AAFC, but consider that the competition at the top was similar to the NFL since the Browns made the transition and dominated. The 49ers and 1st iteration Baltimore Colts also came over. I imagine if Fantasy Football was around in the 50s, Graham would have a “Gretzky” effect where the team that has the first pick has to make a ton of concessions, or you just can’t draft him.

That said, I don’t claim to be smarter than anyone and to each their own. I won’t die on the hill ranking one of the very best over other very bests. @Deus Irae has also studied QBs meticulously, and we have a similar list with just Starr and Graham swapped.

The AAFC has made me reconsider where to rank Otto Graham ... haven't really figured it out really (not that that matters, lol) ... the biggest knock is the AAFC... The Browns were better than every other team in that league ... the Browns were an NFL caliber team in terms of talent and coaching... the rest of that league, not so much...

If the NFL did accept the AAFC record and fact sheets, then it would be fair to include the stats and championships in the discussion ... but the NFL didn't...

Does anyone include Hershel Walkers USFL/NY Jersey Generals stats when they talk about running backs? its not even mentioned in most cases... But with Graham, its always 7 Championships...
 
The AAFC has made me reconsider where to rank Otto Graham ... haven't really figured it out really (not that that matters, lol) ... the biggest knock is the AAFC... The Browns were better than every other team in that league ... the Browns were an NFL caliber team in terms of talent and coaching... the rest of that league, not so much...

If the NFL did accept the AAFC record and fact sheets, then it would be fair to include the stats and championships in the discussion ... but the NFL didn't...

Does anyone include Hershel Walkers USFL/NY Jersey Generals stats when they talk about running backs? its not even mentioned in most cases... But with Graham, its always 7 Championships...

Even if you take away the AAFC, that’s six straight championship appearances for Graham, all while being the undisputed best player in the world.
 
Even if you take away the AAFC, that’s six straight championship appearances for Graham, all while being the undisputed best player in the world.
There is that... Damn you and your logic and facts!
 
Even if you take away the AAFC, that’s six straight championship appearances for Graham, all while being the undisputed best player in the world.

Starr won 6 NFL championships
 
Bart Starr's trump card has to be his postseason performance, right?

9-1 record with a postseason career 104.8 passer rating in the 1960s. 15:3 TD:INT ratio.
 
Bart Starr's trump card has to be his postseason performance, right?

9-1 record with a postseason career 104.8 passer rating in the 1960s. 15:3 TD:INT ratio.

Yes.

I would compare Starr to early 2000s Tom Brady. Incredibly clutch and always came through when he needed to. Numbers could have been better if he’d been asked to throw more, but they had that historic running game too (and he ran it to perfection and often called the plays.)
 
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