Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

[Adam Seward]

They'll stay open but for the elderly, chainsmokers who sit at the slots for 6hrs not sure that is a smart place to be.

No one ever accused them of being smart

 

[RobertWeathers]

of course.......aligning with the droolers of the world, most of everything doesn't make sense to you

You're letting your political allegiance get the best of you. Assuming this "team" had the muscle to implement measures to prevent the spread of a virus is laughable.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Because of the lack of testing in the US (11,000 since this started vs 10,000/day in places like South Korea) we:
a) have little idea how many cases there actually are
b) have little idea how many people have died from it so far.

(b won't really be a problem for long, because going forward the severe symptoms are clear enough that when people do start dying from it in numbers it will be clear what to attribute to the deaths to even without doing a test.)

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Let’s revisit this post in 6 months, shall we?

Sure. (Assuming I'm here in 6 months.) I'll be more than happy to have been drastically pessimistic.

 

[PP2]

You didn't answer the question.

You want to rip the US Gov a new one i'm on board w/ that but don't sit there and contend the Chinese Govt is. One that has one the worst records of human rights in the world.

Never said the Chinese government did a good job handling this crisis, or the last one (worse).

They failed to outlaw handling or consumption of wildlife and are paying for it now, big time.

 

[primetime]

I recommend bidet toilet seats or attachments for anyone dealing with toilet paper shortages. And anyone else, for that matter. Life changing item.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Happens. See all the regional Communist officials who were “removed” from their posts in Wuhan for their slow or improper handling of the outbreak. Things get said or done and then are either approved or not approved.

Their leaders sat on their hands and now are playing the blame game. The regional leaders "removal" is spin just like twitter-dude.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yes, clearly the 10 days in which the US has been dealing with significant spread is comparable to the four months China has been. To say nothing of the fact that a lack of testing means that number in the US is likely lower than reality.

Trump banned people coming in from China on January 31, so we've recognized this as a problem for a lot longer than 10 days. And what does testing have to do with the number of deaths? Testing has to do with those that are currently infected, so yes those numbers are going to be understated. But you think China is being honest about the number of people who died over there?

 

[primetime]

Trump banned people coming in from China on January 31, so we've recognized this as a problem for a lot longer than 10 days. And what does testing have to do with the number of deaths? Testing has to do with those that are currently infected, so yes those numbers are going to be understated. Besides, you think China is being honest about the number of people who died over there?

...the 40 only counts the number of confirmed (i.e. tested positive) coronavirus cases who died. It's not like they're just guessing "hey think this guy died of something must be coronavirus."

Community spread has only been confirmed in the US since February 28. That was two weeks ago.

WHO researchers received access to the Chinese health statistics database so yes I think they are (belatedly) being honest about the extent of the disease.

Kind of wild to have the mindset that the US knows what it's doing and everyone else doesn't.

 

[Clonamery]

Their leaders sat on their hands and now are playing the blame game. The regional leaders "removal" is spin just like twitter-dude.

Reported months ago.

 

[Tunescribe]

What does it say about Obama that his hand-picked successor lost to said Orange Clown?

That he failed, as hard as he tried, to convince the 40-percenters that ignorance is not a virtue.

I don't know about his successor being "handpicked," though. He and Hillary had some pretty big differences.

 

[Adam Seward]

US - 40 deaths

China - 3000 deaths

Just to put that into perspective, China already had a quarantine of at least 60 million underway at mile marker 40. We aren’t even testing for the virus yet on a scale that will provides indication on how far spread this will be. Scoreboard pointing isn’t always apples to apples.

2020 Hubei lockdowns - Wikipedia

 

[RobertWeathers]

The optics for China are awful but that view conflates the CCP to some monolithic entity. With 90 million party members they have quite a bit of logistical overhead. The regional heads in Hubei all got sacked very quickly when the national arm had to step in.

Not that I agree with everything the CCP stands for by any stretch but their national level response is admirable. We wouldn’t be able to replicate their ability to reallocate at the stroke of a pen. They also don’t have democracy so they can plan for 40 years where we can only plan in 4 year cycles.

Not that I want social scores, censorship, etc. But it’s not a binary good/bad. Their system has its merits and it is foolish to dismiss them because they hold beliefs that don’t mesh with ours.

I'm not arguing the benefits/awfulness of Communism. I'm arguing against those people who think governments are agile enough and have the stomach to deal with a pandemic. Govts are concerned about preserving their image (China) and the economy (US) and are too rigid with bureaucratic structure to respond appropriately.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

...the 40 only counts the number of confirmed (i.e. tested positive) coronavirus cases who died. It's not like they're just guessing "hey think this guy died of something must be coronavirus."

Community spread has only been confirmed in the US since February 28. That was twelve days ago.

WHO researchers received access to the Chinese health statistics database so yes I think they are (belatedly) being honest about the extent of the disease.

Kind of wild to have the mindset that the US knows what it's doing and everyone else doesn't.

Unless there are thousands of people who died in the US over the past month because of coronovirus who were never tested your argument is a weak one. I can see maybe a few hundred in reality here but nothing like the number of people dying over there in China. If you want you can make the argument that South Korea is doing a better job than us, but not China.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Home Depot is loaded with asswipe and paper towels ...

Just posting this so I don't get fined.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That he failed, as hard as he tried, to convince the 40-percenters that ignorance is not a virtue.

I don't know about his successor being "handpicked," though. He and Hillary had some pretty big differences.

He reportedly told Biden to stand down and allow Hillary to sail to the nomination. This is when Biden still had a few brain cells left. And if you want to make fun of Trump supporters then realize they are no more ignorant than the Obama coalition, who looked just as uninformed and uneducated in 2008 and 2012.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Saw this coming..

Augusta National says next month's Masters golf tournament is postponed

 

[italian pat patriot]

US - 40 deaths

China - 3000 deaths

what do you mean with this post ?

 

[primetime]

Their leaders sat on their hands and now are playing the blame game. The regional leaders "removal" is spin just like twitter-dude.

Oh I mean I think they were actively trying to sweep it under the rug until it became obvious they couldn't anymore.

Unless there are thousands of people dying in the US over the past month because of coronovirus who were never tested your argument is a weak one. I can see maybe a few hundred in reality here but nothing like the number of people dying over there in China. If you want you can make the argument that South Korea is doing a better job than us, but not China.

Again, we're about two weeks after the first case of community spread, so any comparison other than a qualitative one just isn't plausible at this point. And as another poster pointed out, China had already quarantined a city of 11 million people by this point, which significantly limited the damage. That just isn't possible in the US, but we're miles behind where the Chinese were in terms of their public health response and testing capacity at a similar time point.

US fatality rates may be lower in the end for various reasons (Chinese have higher smoking rates, pollution, jobs that cause respiratory distress, etc) but at this point you can't say it's because of a more effective public health response.

 

[JackBauer]

He reportedly told Biden to stand down and allow Hillary to sail to the nomination.

Source?