Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

[PP2]

This virus may or may not be the"big one" but the way we react to it matters regardless. Because if we can't handle the false alarm we definitely won't be able to handle the real deal.

It's definitely a warning, either way.

The most frightening thing about this virus is how fast it has propagated, as compared to SARS, killing three times as many people in just 8 weeks even though its fatality rate is sizably lower than SARS (1-3% as compared to around 10% for SARS).

This country, as many health care experts have warned, is woefully underprepared to deal with a pandemic, in large part because our nation's public health infrastructure has been gutted.

John Hopkins did an AI stimulation called "Event 201" with a fictional virus called CAPS and made it just a little more lethal than SARS. 65 million people died in this stimulation.

 

[Tunescribe]

LOL!! You call it his exact words but you changed his "that" to "can" which completely misrepresents the meaning of what he was saying. Thank you for proving your dishonesty and that there really are suckers born every minute. Here is the full quote:

"I think the 3.4 percent [number] is really a false number. Now, this is just my hunch, but based on and lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this and it is very mild. They will get better very rapidly, they don’t even see a doctor or call doctor, you never hear about those people so you can’t put them down in the category, in overall population in terms of this corona flu, or virus. So you just can’t do that.

So if, you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better and then, when you do have a death like you had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York, you know, all of a sudden it seems like 3 or 4 percent, which is a very high number, as opposed to a fraction of 1 percent."

Nowhere does he even remotely suggest people with it can or should go to work. He is talking about the mortality rate. His whole point is there will be people who get it, don't show symptoms (or have mild symptoms), continue going to work, get better, and never get recorded as a survival case, thereby skewing the mortality rate.

Sorry to embarrass you with... well, with facts.

You're turning yourself into a pretzel trying to spin this clown's word salad. The source I quoted paraphrased "can" and it is correct that he said "that," but the meaning does not change: He's talking about it being acceptable for SICK PEOPLE TO WORK, which contradicts everything the CDC is trying to accomplish. Here is the recording. How can people hear this from the U.S. president's own mouth and not construe that he's saying it's OK to work while sick?



And here, he calls coronavirus the Democrats' "new hoax."



So you have a president who sat on his fat orange ass for weeks downplaying a serious national health crisis instead of taking immediate action back in January to get ahead of the curve. He's been so scared of an economic downturn hurting his reelection bid that he has downplayed it from day one -- talking about sick people working, about having a "hunch" questioning expert findings, that when the weather warms up it will "magically" disappear and that his political opponents are turning it into a "hoax." That's not leadership my friend, it's professional malpractice messing with life and death.

 

[XLIX]

You're turning yourself into a pretzel trying to spin this clown's word salad. The source I quoted paraphrased "can" and it is correct that he said "that," but the meaning does not change: He's talking about it being acceptable for SICK PEOPLE TO WORK,

You obviously didn’t read my post.

Put away the TDS for just 10 seconds. Nowhere did he advocate people who are sick going into work. What he said is some people will get it and have such mild symptoms (or no symptoms) that they won’t even know they have it and they’ll keep doing things as usual (including go to work).

Your lies are unbecoming, but not unexpected.

 

[scout]

"I think the 3.4 percent [number] is really a false number. Now, this is just my hunch,
Sorry to embarrass you with... well, with facts.

 

[Adam Seward]

??? I didn't read the pdf, I read the tables and table descriptions.

"Most data were described with the endemic human coronavirus strain (HCoV-) 229E. On different types of materials it can remain infectious for from 2 hours up to 9 days. A higher temperature such as 30°C or 40°C reduced the duration of persistence of highly pathogenic MERS-CoV, TGEV and MHV. However, at 4°C persistence of TGEV and MHV can be increased to ≥ 28 days. Few comparative data obtained with SARS-CoV indicate that persistence was longer with higher inocula (Table I). In addition it was shown at room temperature that HCoV-229E persists better at 50% compared to 30% relative humidity [8]"

Correct, hope is not a plan. Of course how you read my post as 'hope is a plan' is ???. What I was saying/doing was providing information that contradicts your absolute statement(not your "I suspect" or "probably") that it's not going away and it's going to get worse (you're only entertaining the idea, through other responses, that this is the flu pandemic).
You want to think that is fact, portray on BB as fact, or simply want to believe it is? Have at it but you know, and I know, you don't know it as fact, not even close. It's your opinion, period, So why not throw in a qualifier stating it as opinion and help stop potential panic? Why not throw in "though I could be wrong and it could start lessening sooner rather than later"?

Fyi, looking at information that suggests it may not be this nightmare scenario you believe it will be (and hopefully you're wrong, hopefully it won't be), your table does not say hot temps does not diminish the 19. The myriad of things people would touch in significantly above room temperatures outside, in non AC, in high temp AC settings. This slows down the virus spread. Fyi, again, that's not the plan, that's data to suggest spread will decrease. That's a good thing don't you think? But because this is new to humans we have unknowns that require prudence and even vigilance. Again, you want to go a different direction with all of this, have at it. Expect to be called on stating things as facts when they are clearly not. That's not so bad either is it?

Yes environmental mitigation could be a positive factor in quarantine efficacy however using that stance to say I am overreacting is absurd. The data clearly shows viral persistence in summer temperatures and above. This is not some magic bullet you can point to and say but look you haven’t considered X, X is likely going to change EVERYTHING.

 

[Tunescribe]

You obviously didn’t read my post.

Put away the TDS for just 10 seconds. Nowhere did he advocate people who are sick going into work. What he said is some people will get it and have such mild symptoms (or no symptoms) that they won’t even know they have it and they’ll keep doing things as usual (including go to work).

Your lies are unbecoming, but not unexpected.

It's not me lying, silly guy -- it's your fat orange friend and yourself on his behalf. Just to remind you this has nothing to do with "derangement syndrome" or conservatism and everything to do with selfishly incompetent mismanagement.

 

[Jangles]

Seems the real takeaways from this thread are the world is ending, and orange man bad

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Shyt. An about to be released federally funded study done by major institutions says it can live for 3hrs in the air.

Tests indicate coronavirus can survive in the air

 

[XLIX]

Yes environmental mitigation could be a positive factor in quarantine efficacy however using that stance to say I am overreacting is absurd. The data clearly shows viral persistence in summer temperatures and above. This is not some magic bullet you can point to and say but look you haven’t considered X, X is likely going to change EVERYTHING.

No one knows what will happen during the summer. The Center for Communicable Diseases says there is “reason to believe” summer will slow the spread, but only modestly.

 

[Clonamery]

No one knows what will happen during the summer. The Center for Communicable Diseases says there is “reason to believe” summer will slow the spread, but only modestly.

Tell that to Mr & Mrs Hanks.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not quite a millennial but...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...n-jetblue-flight-from-jfk-tests-positive/amp/

I take on-average 4 JetBlue flights a month. Great.

I've cut my travel way back. Obviously.

 

[Adam Seward]

No one knows what will happen during the summer. The Center for Communicable Diseases says there is “reason to believe” summer will slow the spread, but only modestly.

Certainly as data shows the virus is much more hearty during cold, slightly humid conditions however effective community quarantine and diligent hygiene practices from the general public will be what does the heavy lifting to choke the transmission rate out. This would be a slight boost to the efficiency of above said measures to reduce the R-0 rate.

 

[Tunescribe]

No one knows what will happen during the summer. The Center for Communicable Diseases says there is “reason to believe” summer will slow the spread, but only modestly.

But according to the Man With A Hunch, it's supposed to "magically" disappear by then. Right?

 

[Triumph]

Seems the real takeaways from this thread are the world is ending, and orange man bad

They are desperate.

 

[XLIX]

Tell that to Mr & Mrs Hanks.

If you give me their contact info, I’ll be happy to forward them the study.

I’m not making this up, I’m just repeating what the Center for Communicable Diseases said.

 

[Tunescribe]

If you give me their contact info, I’ll be happy to forward them the study.

I’m not making this up, I’m just repeating what the Center for Communicable Diseases said.

Aw, who needs facts when you can depend on miracles?

 

[farn]

A few weeks ago, someone wondered what I meant by my thought that people were panicked...

I am not saying we shouldn’t be concerned with Covid, but I am saying that I doubt limiting movement will assure the containment of the virus. Pretty confident that it’s too late.

Having said that, I still maintain the panic is more dangerous than the virus itself, to most.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

yeah lets listen to this guy instead...

 

[XLIX]

They’ve criticized everything the guy has done for 4 years now. Why should this be any different? So it’s tough for intelligent people to take a single thing the TDS crowd says seriously. He could personally cure the virus tomorrow and they’d say “why didn’t he do it sooner?!?”

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

In the last three days, I've cancelled a trip to Chicago, a planned vacation to the Middle East in two months and a lecture to 100 grad students ( they actually cancelled on me though we may do it by Zoom). With my job, I can't work remotely and inevitably will be exposed (I'm a dentist) and hope that it is mild and we only have to shut for two weeks if it happens. I had mono in my 20s that knocked me on my ass for 3 weeks then, and according to the CDC as a 60 year old, I'm high risk. I have a healthy respect for it and know it will affect some more severely than others.... some fatally....I have a responsibility to family, staff and patients to minimize their risk which we try with universal precautions, to the nth degree....
On a non-political note, if I represent President Trump, Sen Sanders or VP Biden, I put them in a cocoon and don't let them near people for a long time. They are all high risk from age, medical history or lifestyle.....