The $2M Solution At WR

[Sciz]

These unnamed wide receivers will fit in nicely with the unnamed offensive tackle that surely must have been available at the trade deadline and the unnamed GM that will make better personnel decisions than Belichick.

 

[Observer]

I am available. Where do I sign up?

 

[fnordcircle]

and the unnamed GM that will make better personnel decisions than Belichick.

I can't believe we've been saddled with this loser so long. What a joke.

 

[Tunescribe]

They always explore everything, so a trade or two is possible.

Trade what? Or who? This team is short on capital pretty much everywhere -- draft picks, players and cap room. Painful free agent departures are on the horizon which will suck big time if a fat contract for Brady is behind some of them.

 

[supafly]

Trade what? Or who? This team is short on capital pretty much everywhere -- draft picks, players and cap room. Painful free agent departures are on the horizon which will suck big time if a fat contract for Brady is behind some of them.

How are they short on draft picks? They’ve got three 3rd rounders and four 6th rounders? Don’t they have the most picks out of any teams? If not, they have to be in the top few.

Also, they have about 50m in available cap room, with guys like Sanu and Cannon that could easily clear up another 10m. I’m not seeing how it’s that much different than any other year, aside from the concern at QB.

 

[Tunescribe]

How are they short on draft picks? They’ve got three 3rd rounders and four 6th rounders? Don’t they have the most picks out of any teams? If not, they have to be in the top few.

Also, they have about 50m in available cap room, with guys like Sanu and Cannon that could easily clear up another 10m. I’m not seeing how it’s that much different than any other year, aside from the concern at QB.

No second-round pick, no fifth-round pick. Sure, they have a first, three thirds and a fourth, but they need to use SOME picks on rookies. Half their available picks -- three sixes and three sevens -- are at the bottom of the draft, hardly valuable as trade chips. I dunno, I'm feeling pretty pessimistic right now about this team's 2020 prospects in general.

The QB situation is a huge domino affecting everything and the Pats have 20 free agents on the roster currently. Another factor is who you're competing against for FAs and right now New England is 17th in cap room while Miami, Buffalo and New Jersey all are in the top 10.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Can we build our own player like in Madden? I’d build a 7’6” white guy with 4.1 speed.

Shawn Bradley Jefferson?

Regards,
Chris

 

[Tony2046]

We could bring in 2 WR's at $5M AAV and $10 AAV for a total cap cost of $8.5M. We would cut Sanu so the total cap cost would be $2M. I listed the AAV's at $5M and $10M. They could be higher without affecting the 2020 cap.

Belichick might spend a bit more, but this seems in the ballpark.

PLAYER 1 (3/$30M) - CAP HIT $5M
salaries: $2M, $9M, $10M
bonus: $9M/3 yr
adding or subtracting from 2021 and 2022 salaries would not affect the 2020 cap

PLAYER 2 (3/$15M) - CAP $3.5M
salaries: $2M, $4M, $4.5M
bonus: $4.5M/3 yr
adding or subtracting from 2021 and 2022 salaries would not affect the 2020 cap

Isn't that mortgaging future cap space?

 

[IcyPatriot]

Can we build our own player like in Madden? I’d build a 7’6” white guy with 4.1 speed.

Taco Fall would be cheap.

 

[TheAdultintheRoom]

Imagine Taco in the red zone? Lol

 

[primetime]

$5m AAV to last season's free agents was Cordarelle Patterson, $10m was Devin Funchess. This board always throws out numbers that are like 10 years behind what the market looks like now.

For what it's worth, this is one thing I think people here fail to grasp about the Sanu trade, that at $6.25m for a 60 catch per year receiver he's one of the best values in the league... assuming he can actually play at that level in New England.

 

[mgteich]

Isn't that mortgaging future cap space?

Yes.

We do that every time that we sign a player and give him a bonus. It is just part of normal business.

 

[Tunescribe]

Taco Fall would be cheap.

He would be the first player to literally break in half from contact. Can you imagine that guy in a football helmet? He'd look like a lollipop.

 

[Kontradiction]

He would be the first player to literally break in half from contact. Can you imagine that guy in a football helmet? He'd look like a lollipop.

I’d love to watch him run a route. He’d look like a video game glitch. An abnormality.

 

[Tunescribe]

I’d love to watch him run a route. He’d look like a video game glitch. An abnormality.

He'd look like a giraffe. I can't imagine him trying to make a cut at full speed.

Many years ago Wilt Chamberlain had a tryout with Hank Stram's Chiefs. Stram wanted to sign him as a 7-foot-tall tight end but it never happened. Link: Wilt Had a Tryout for Stram

 

[Deus Irae]

He would be the first player to literally break in half from contact. Can you imagine that guy in a football helmet? He'd look like a lollipop.

He's over 300 pounds, his standing reach is 10'2", and he'd be impossible to defend in the end zone. But that would probably be the only place he could function.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Would you trade Gilmore for DeAndre Hopkins, cap considerations not withstanding?

Seems like there’s a few teams out there like the Texans and Falcons who have good depth at WR, with Fuller and Ridley being able to hold the passing game together. The Patriots have good depth at cornerback; Gilmore is a mega stud, but which player leads to more wins? Would this be a fair trade from a production perspective?

 

[Wilfork#75]

I posted in the draft forum that I think the perfect WR to target this off-season is Odell Beckham Jr. He is an elite talent and BB has shown interest in him before, but what makes him a great fit is that he doesn't have any guaranteed money left on his deal. That means if we traded for him we could easily re-structure his contract to fit him into the cap in 2020. That would obviously push his cap charges into the future but we should be able to clear it past some of our other large contracts.

His trade value is a bit hard to gauge right now because he didn't have the stellar season many expected and he has seemed quite disgruntled in Cleveland. He was traded before last season for a 1st, 3rd and S Jabril Peppers and I think his value has dipped slightly since then. It's also important to remember, for the NYG to trade OBJ they also had to take on a $16mil dead cap hit which would have increased their trade demands. If we go back to the famous Brock Osweiler trade where Houston traded a future 2nd round pick for a 4th to dump his contract, it sets the value of $16mil in cap space at roughly a high 3rd round pick. Could OBJ for our #23 straight up be reasonable? Maybe throw in a conditional 2021 pick as a sweetener?

Why would Cleveland trade OBJ? With Depodesta still having influence in Cleveland, it means analytics are going to play a big part in shaping their roster. Does is make sense for them to pay $14+mil to two WR? Landry has better chemistry with Baker and OBJ would have no cap hit if traded. They have a new HC and GM, does OBJ fit with the culture they are trying to establish?

If Cleveland traded OBJ for the #23 pick, they could then turn around and move that pick to Washington for LT Trent Williams and take BPA at #10. My trade idea was to expand the deal and trade our 2020 1st (#23) + S Duron Harmon for OBJ and TE David Njoku. S if one of Cleveland's two huge needs (along with OL) and Harmon is starting quality. His cap saving for the Pats would also equal the cap hit for Beckham after restructuring his contract ($4.25mil). Njoku is unhappy in Cleveland and has said he would have demanded a trade if Kitchens had of returned. A fresh start could be just what he needs. His trade value isn't very high because he hasn't been able to stay healthy, hasn't had great production and is in the last year of his rookie deal (no chance the Brown's pick up his 5th year option). He is just the sort of player the Pats could buy low on.

The Browns have said they aren't looking to trade OBJ, but that is exactly what Gettleman said 13 days before shipping him to Cleveland.

Wilfork#75's Way Too Early Mock Off-Season

 

[Deus Irae]

I posted in the draft forum that I think the perfect WR to target this off-season is Odell Beckham Jr. He is an elite talent and BB has shown interest in him before, but what makes him a great fit is that he doesn't have any guaranteed money left on his deal.

This is something we've tossed about a bit in some earlier thread(s). It would have to start with the Browns being willing to move him to the Patriots with him coming willingly. And that would all but certainly have to start with Brady being brought back.

 

[Wilfork#75]

This is something we've tossed about a bit in some earlier thread(s). It would have to start with the Browns being willing to move him to the Patriots with him coming willingly. And that would all but certainly have to start with Brady being brought back.

I think bringing OBJ in would go hand in hand with bringing Brady back. I don't think the issue getting Brady to return is money, I think he wants the weapons around him to succeed. Historically and especially for the Pats, Rookie WRs and TEs don't contribute a lot early on so I think for a legitimate shot in 2020 we need to add veteran weapons. If we can bring OBJ in I think that would get Brady excited for a return and I think OBJ would love the chance to play with the GOAT.

Would the Browns be willing to move him? It's all speculation but I think there are enough reasons to think its a possibility.