OT: Vick 30 for 30

[Kontradiction]

Yes, I am scared of “bi and large black people.” But also bi and large people of any color. I really don’t discriminate except in sexual preference and size. Does that count?

Yeah... I’m not touching this. Not today, Satan.

 

[203Pat]

Jones has a point, though. White people, by and large, are scared of black people. That’s why Vick was able to hide behind the “black community” and his excuses in the wake of that. White people have lost the balls to call the black community out on their bull.sh!t (why is this word banned? We’re all adults here) while they have no problem calling white people out on ours. It was a genius move that worked out beautifully for Vick. He’s on-air now.

If I were black I would be furious at the "dogfighting is a part of black culture" bulls*it. There are people who do terrible things in every race but to have some pseudo-academic try and tell the world that Vick basically thought fighting dogs is okay because of his "culture" is disgusting and irresponsible.

 

[Kontradiction]

If I were black I would be furious at the "dogfighting is a part of black culture" bulls*it. There are people who do terrible things in every race but to have some pseudo-academic try and tell the world that Vick basically thought fighting dogs is okay because of his "culture" is disgusting and irresponsible.

You’re showing how much you don’t understand their culture... and that statement has nothing to do with dog fighting. No disrespect intended. Vick was a black quarterback and highly touted as the next big thing when he was drafted. That went into overdrive when he and the Falcons took down Favre and the Packers in Green Bay in the playoffs. It had been decades since they had lost at home in the postseason IIRC. Vick was a god amongst the black community. Any anger they could have possibly had about being his scapegoat to ease public pressure was offset by how their culture felt about him. He was a God to them.

 

[203Pat]

You’re showing how much you don’t understand their culture... and that statement has nothing to do with dog fighting. No disrespect intended. Vick was a black quarterback and highly touted as the next big thing when he was drafted. That went into overdrive when he and the Falcons took down Favre and the Packers in Green Bay in the playoffs. It had been decades since they had lost at home in the postseason IIRC. Vick was a god amongst the black community. Any anger they could have possibly had about being his scapegoat to ease public pressure was offset by how their culture felt about him. He was a God to them.

I just don't understand the excuse making. I never will I guess. I just don't see how murdering and torturing other living things has anything to do with race.

 

[fnordcircle]

Posting to say I won't be posting in this thread.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Posting to say I won't be posting in this thread.

But that's a @KontradictioN

 

[Kasmir]

I think it was @Actual Pats Fan who questioned why there aren't more of those shows about Patriots players. It's a great question.

Netflix

 

[maust]

Some things just go to far beyond the pale to be walked back/redeemed. Certainly I can't be the only dog person that did a mental edit with Vick in place of Ramsay when they saw this...

 

[Kontradiction]

I just don't understand the excuse making. I never will I guess. I just don't see how murdering and torturing other living things has anything to do with race.

It doesn’t. Vick used them as a shield because he knew white people didn’t have the balls to call him, and them, out on their ********. White people lost the balls to do that a long, long time ago.

 

[203Pat]

It doesn’t. Vick used them as a shield because he knew white people didn’t have the balls to call him, and them, out on their ********. White people lost the balls to do that a long, long time ago.

Well to be honest the only white person I've seen in this documentary is about 30 seconds of Dan Reeves and some other random guy talking about what an athlete he was in college.

The documentary is already leading into the excuses before diving into the next part on the dog fighting. His wife mentions all the "bad apples" he had around who would spoil the bunch. One of his genius hanger on's was even called by a cop and told they better cut out the crap they were doing over there. Vick himself said "even when I was gone in Atlanta certain people had the keys" he basically insinuated that everyone was doing all this while he was gone. So far they are laying the foundation for "he just got caught up with some bad people" and he himself doesn't seem like a guy who truly recognizes what he did and doesn't come across as sorry for doing it, just for getting caught.

 

[Deus Irae]

I just don't understand the excuse making. I never will I guess. I just don't see how murdering and torturing other living things has anything to do with race.

Replace "race" with "culture". Almost all the talk about how animals are treated is about culture, and mostly about modern urban culture trying to dictate acceptability to the entirety of history, and doesn't really have any touchstone point for people to use as a baseline.

 

[Kontradiction]

Replace "race" with "culture". Almost all the talk about how animals are treated is about culture, and mostly about modern urban culture trying to dictate acceptability to the entirety of history, and doesn't really have any touchstone point for people to use as a baseline.

In other words, scumbags starve and fight dogs. ”Scumbaggery” doesn’t have a skin color.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Replace "race" with "culture". Almost all the talk about how animals are treated is about culture, and mostly about modern urban culture trying to dictate acceptability to the entirety of history, and doesn't really have any touchstone point for people to use as a baseline.

The heck are you talking about? Your culture wasn’t largely based around murdering dogs in barbaric ways? I’ve yet to visit a town or city in the USA where dog fighting isn’t central to societal needs.

 

[Deus Irae]

In other words, scumbags starve and fight dogs. ”Scumbaggery” doesn’t have a skin color.

In other words, it's modern "civilized" sensibilities that are trying to impose themselves upon all other cultures, and all of history. Man pitting animal against animal is something that's gone on throughout much, if not all, of human history.

 

[Kontradiction]

In other words, it's modern "civilized" sensibilities that are trying to impose themselves upon all other cultures, and all of history. Man pitting animal against animal is something that's gone on throughout much, if not all, of human history.

Doing something for a long time doesn't mean you have to, or should, continue doing it.

Checkmate.

 

[Deus Irae]

Checkmate.

Checkmate of what? I didn't defend, or attack, any position. I just noted a simple truth about the history, in response to the question of race being injected into things. Hell, ****fighting was still legal in U.S. territories until last month, and it wasn't illegal in all the states until 2008.

 

[Kontradiction]

Checkmate of what? I didn't defend, or attack, any position. I just noted a simple truth about the history, in response to the question of race being injected into things. Hell, ****fighting was still legal in U.S. territories until last month, and it wasn't illegal in all the states until 2008.

If you weren’t attacking it, then why put civilized in quotation marks and then follow it up with “sensibilities that are trying to impose themselves upon all other cultures, and all of history?”

I understand that context sometimes gets lost when you’re communicating via rich text as opposed to a face to face conversation, but surely you must be able to see how the wording can lead one to believe that you’re defending dog fighting. If the post was poorly worded and you were just noting historical significance, then that’s fine. People used to stone witches, too. That doesn’t mean that I can walk outside and cave in the first goth girl’s head that I see with a rock.

 

[Tunescribe]

Fun Friday with @fnordcircle. Now all we need is Fnord.

Maybe @fnordcircle has gone celibate and joined a convent. But that probably would make him trans, right?

 

[Deus Irae]

If you weren’t attacking it, then why put civilized in quotation marks and then follow it up with “sensibilities that are trying to impose themselves upon all other cultures, and all of history?”

Because that's what's been happening. FFS, Kontra, you live in Florida, so you already know this. Your state voted to enshrine porcine civil rights into its constitution, and it wasn't the rural farmers who were behind that.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

In other words, it's modern "civilized" sensibilities that are trying to impose themselves upon all other cultures, and all of history. Man pitting animal against animal is something that's gone on throughout much, if not all, of human history.

I thought this was sarcasm at first.

Yeah, many things have gone on throughout human history they were considered bad at the time, and some that weren’t. Putting animals like dogs against each other may have been considered not as bad at certain times in history. Of course, other forms of entertainment those days would be to watch witches boil in water and most people weren’t literate. What does this have to do with “civilized” sensibilities and Michael Vick? We are talking modern society because the standards for civility are different, as they should be with more resources and knowledge. In the 21st centenary, torturing dogs is as close as you can get to a universal consensus from humanity that this act is heinous and criminal.