ANNOUNCEMENT OK - So here's the deal regarding moderation. Pull up a chair.

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

A lot of brown nosing going on in this thread led by @fnordcircle

I’m giving him a run for his money. I need this promotion to mod!!!

 

[Ian]

I have asked Ian if he can create an @mods so it will be easy to PM all of us.

It stinks...the software doesn't really have that capability...at least not easily. I agree it would certainly make things easier. The report function at least appears for all of us and then it's just a matter of who gets to it first.

 

[Ian]

I have asked Ian if he can create an @mods so it will be easy to PM all of us.

It stinks...the software doesn't really have that capability...at least not easily. I agree it would certainly make things easier. The report function at least appears for all of us and then it's just a matter of who gets to it first.

 

[IcyPatriot]

"I'm here for an argument."

"Oh, I'm terrible sorry, this is Abuse.

...just take the second door on the right, down the hall. Have a good day!"

Good arguments are great ...
We have members here who are tremendous at it ...

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Just curious about something. Ian says in this post that it is never personal. Yet in the original post a mod is calling me a troll. So is it personal or not?

I literally have never trolled. I have held opinions you haven't liked. That isn't trolling. I legitimately think N'Keal Harry is a bad football player. Just because you don't like that opinion doesn't make a troll.

And you lose all credibility when you say it is never personal but that TheAdultintheRoom is a big fat troll, that's why we delete all his posts.

My name is obviously a joke, but I really have been the adult about certain things and still get the short end of the stick. There are a couple of posters here that constantly respond to my on topic posts with stupid "her der you're the PoopyfaceintheRoom" posts. It just happened in PatJew's post. These posts never get deleted and they always get likes. And I never respond. Yet I'm the troll.

So my guess is that at some point I disagreed with the wrong person on here, they complained to their mod friends, and now I'm targeted. I'm a horrible troll and need to be dealt with because I don't agree with the right people about the right issues.

You may find this “childish” (baaaa....zing!) but I am not joking when I recommend getting an avatar (put some kind of image on your photo instead of the generic one.). That gives people at least some image they are relating to that they remember later on...just human nature. I’m willing to bet you’d be accused of trolling less if you did this. Most of the time when people see the generic photo and a comment that’s negative in any way, they tend to trollify it.

 

[Ian]

So my guess is that at some point I disagreed with the wrong person on here, they complained to their mod friends, and now I'm targeted. I'm a horrible troll and need to be dealt with because I don't agree with the right people about the right issues.

That's not quite true. Just because someone is reported doesn't mean they necessarily"need to be dealt with". Anyone only needs to be "dealt with" if they've done something worthy of that type of attention. Disagreeing doesn't count. And again, just because someone complains, it doesn't always warrant action. As I said, we'd rather not have to do anything whenever possible, so it definitely takes something fairly offensive/nasty for any of us to start deleting posts, etc.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

This board has two problems which have been worsening in recent years. One is that it's being over-moderated. The other is that the censorship has ramped up. I've kept mostly quiet about them until recently, but it's been glaringly obvious that both have been happening.

Years back, you reached a point where you thought the confrontations were going too far. You asked me to pull back. I've done so, a lot, as my posting history shows, and I've put a lot of people on ignore when I'd rather just blast the hell out of them. But it's now gone way too far in the other direction. As for the censorship, its increase is obvious. I'm clearly not the only one who's noticed these things.

It's your house. It's your rules. We accept that by remaining here. But running the place as if everything has electronic hospital corners is not what this place used to be about.

I agree and wish to hear whatever you have to say, which is always informative and insightful.

 

[maust]

So what if I refuse to use the ignore function, refuse to not give someone crap if I think they're being ridiculous, and am fine with my posts being deleted? Does that constitute thinking I own the board more than others? This is a sincere question I'm asking with no malice or intent to start a debate with you. I'm fine with whatever you say I just want to understand.

Seriously Bro, we need a sarcasm font, because that's the exact opposite of what I'd interpret as someone thinking/acting as though they own the board. What the Deus?

 

[IcyPatriot]

It stinks...the software doesn't really have that capability...at least not easily. I agree it would certainly make things easier. The report function at least appears for all of us and then it's just a matter of who gets to it first.

There is an echo in here.

 

[Ian]

Just curious about something. Ian says in this post that it is never personal. Yet in the original post a mod is calling me a troll. So is it personal or not?

I literally have never trolled. I have held opinions you haven't liked. That isn't trolling. I legitimately think N'Keal Harry is a bad football player. Just because you don't like that opinion doesn't make me a troll.

And you lose all credibility when you say it is never personal but that TheAdultintheRoom is a big fat troll, that's why we delete all his posts.

My name is obviously a joke, but I really have been the adult about certain things and still get the short end of the stick. There are a couple of posters here that constantly respond to my on topic posts with stupid "her der you're the PoopyfaceintheRoom" posts. It just happened in PatJew's post. These posts never get deleted and they always get likes. And I never respond. Yet I'm the troll.

So my guess is that at some point I disagreed with the wrong person on here, they complained to their mod friends, and now I'm targeted. I'm a horrible troll and need to be dealt with because I don't agree with the right people about the right issues.

Also, repeating the same thing after a mod has asked someone not to is an issue we do run into. If someone is doing it and noticing a trend of their posts being deleted, especially if you fall into the category of being the original post deleted, the best thing to do is move on and stop fighting it. That's us being subtle and trying to nudge people in another direction.

 

[TheAdultintheRoom]

That's not quite true. Just because someone is reported doesn't mean they necessarily"need to be dealt with". Anyone only needs to be "dealt with" if they've done something worthy of that type of attention. Disagreeing doesn't count. And again, just because someone complains, it doesn't always warrant action. As I said, we'd rather not have to do anything whenever possible, so it definitely takes something fairly offensive/nasty for any of us to start deleting posts, etc.

Believe it or not, I think you have a great site and I do believe you try to be reasonable. That's as far as I go because I don't kiss ass like some other posters in this thread.

But come on, you say it's not personal, but one of your mods called me a name in PatJew's thread. That's the definition of personal. It may not be personal to you, but I think you are giving your mods the benefit of the doubt, which although understandable, doesn't always lead to the correct conclusion.

 

[fnordcircle]

A lot of brown nosing going on in this thread led by @fnordcircle

It's nice to be the best at something.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

But I've also been on boards that weren't moderated at all and they descend into 50% trolls and other vile, toxic content that's not at all related to the board's purpose.

...which nevertheless I find entertaining...

...sorry...

Seriously, no matter what tangents a thread takes, as a reader I do not personally lose track of the title or subject. But people are different.

I've, uh, got the impression in my life that I'm a bit more different than everybody else...

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

we're trying to eliminate the mega threads

That won't make Malcolm Butler play and have us win, unfortunately.

...But feel free to respond!

 

[Chevy]

Lastly - lastly ... as a mod (Patters) taught me long ago said:
"If you feel a need to insult someone then you have already lost the debate.
People insult because they have lost the proof they seek." he was correct.

So, you took advice re: Insults from one of the most insulting posters we've seen?

Interesting.

Believe it or not, I think you have a great site and I do believe you try to be reasonable. That's as far as I go because I don't kiss ass like some other posters in this thread.

But come on, you say it's not personal, but one of your mods called me a name in PatJew's thread. That's the definition of personal. It may not be personal to you, but I think you are giving your mods the benefit of the doubt, which although understandable, doesn't always lead to the correct conclusion.

Here's a thought - Mods cannot participate in threads. Period. Major conflict of interest.

 

[Ian]

Believe it or not, I think you have a great site and I do believe you try to be reasonable. That's as far as I go because I don't kiss ass like some other posters in this thread.

But come on, you say it's not personal, but one of your mods called me a name in PatJew's thread. That's the definition of personal. It may not be personal to you, but I think you are giving your mods the benefit of the doubt, which although understandable, doesn't always lead to the correct conclusion.

Having seen the logs, I'm aware of when people do appear on our radar a little too much and yes, as a mod and just a regular person who likes to read/post here, it becomes a little difficult and yes, also irritating. It's not personal, but it can be frustrating having to address the same person repeatedly and it might feel personal when even our tempers occasionally get the best of us.

As I said, we just want to come on here and read/post about the team. So if someone is continually pushing the envelope and we've sort of tried to nudge them back, the best thing to do is to realize that there's an issue and move on to the next topic.

 

[Ian]

Here's a thought - Mods cannot participate in threads. Period. Major conflict of interest.

That would be a bummer and defeat the purpose since mods are posters who just want to try and help out whenever possible, myself included.

 

[Tunescribe]

I'm already aware of what's coming, especially if Brady moves on this offseason because I know the negativity in here is going to skyrocket and we're going to have to adapt.

Just to piggyback on my post about Mr. Negativity (and others of his ilk): pessimism aimed at what we supposedly gather here to share our enjoyment of is something I don't quite understand -- especially with the Patriots being so wildly successful for so many years. OF COURSE the team will hit rough times, which actually can make things more interesting. Some people need to revisit the definition of "fan" and decide if this is where they belong, because being bitter/nasty toward the team often involves projection vs. observation. I personally would have no problem seeing that kind of stuff reined in.

 

[fnordcircle]

I legitimately think N'Keal Harry is a bad football player. Just because you don't like that opinion doesn't make me a troll.

This is just my opinion.

"They shouldn't have picked Harry, he's a bad fit for this system." <- not trolling.
"If Harry can't adjust by now he's not going to make it." <-not trolling.
"I think Harry is a bust." <- not trolling.
"Harry is proof this team can't draft a good WR" <- not trolling.
"Haha look at Harry drop another pass, what a ****stick." <-probably trolling.

Or to try to put it more succinctly if your posts sound like something a visiting Jets fan would say to try to torment us then you're probably just here to be a POS.

So my guess is that at some point I disagreed with the wrong person on here, they complained to their mod friends, and now I'm targeted. I'm a horrible troll and need to be dealt with because I don't agree with the right people about the right issues.

This idea of a backdoor channel to the mods where some elite posters get their will dutifully carried out is so insane. How can people actually take this site so seriously that they get worked up into this type of paranoia?

What's more likely, that Ian - a guy I will happily gush over because I think he's a genuinely good person - is facilitating this cool kids club, or that your posts are just coming across as someone who is here to **** with people?

 

[Ian]

This idea of a backdoor channel to the mods where some elite posters get their will dutifully carried out is so insane. How can people actually take this site so seriously that they get worked up into this type of paranoia?

There's no "backdoor" channel, anyone can PM me at any time. Whether it's a long-term poster or someone new. If it's a valid concern, then I definitely look into it.