Penalties being considered for the Pats - UPDATED 1/1/2020

[farn]

Other than, you know, when it's a documentary crew making a documentary and has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

You aren’t going to convince RG with your “logic” and “common sense”. Hahaha. Those guys are Robin Hood. Take from rich.

 

[masterbouncer]

Money and Owner would be ok.
Draft Picks would be just fraudulent.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Worst penalty the Pats and their fans received was narrative/reputation. To this day the general media spin is that the Patriots "taped practices" and have been caught "cheating" multiple times. Countless hours of national and local media have been spent on their alleged indiscretions and it partially ruined some of the enjoyment of this successful run. Instead of reveling in the upcoming Super Bowl with the Giants in 2007 or the challenge of the 2014 Seahawks we were inundated with multiple shows and articles about the deviousness of "our team. " There were literally people who went out of their way to create fake narratives around ball deflation and fumbles rates with charts and excel spreadsheets. In the current gotcha media culture there was minimal appetite for the truth as going with the false narrative is great for ratings. As others have mentioned, it has turned me off to the point where I rarely listen to sports talk and just mainly watch the Patriots games.

I fully understand that as a Pats fan with 9 AFC Championships and 6 Super Bowls in the past 20 years we would never change places with anyone else but I do lament the missed opportunity to have enjoyed it even a tad more.

 

[Dr Pain]

Worst penalty the Pats and their fans received was narrative/reputation. To this day the general media spin is that the Patriots "taped practices" .

I will never forgive the Herald or John Tomase. They cost the perfect season by dropping this lie story at the Super Bowl. I have not bought a Herald since. How Tomase still has a job is amazing.

 

[Todd Bradley]

Other than, you know, when it's a documentary crew making a documentary and has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

In a stadium they don’t belong in, during a game they’re not participating in, against a team they’re playing next.

The “it was only a documentary” excuse only goes so far.

Be smarter about who you work for, what your filming and where you’re filming it.

The league will do anything to make the Patriots look bad. Why help them out?

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Correct.

The aforementioned "baseline" examples had the underlying intent of gaining a competitive edge.

The NEP did not. This not Spygate.

The Goody is so ****ed up in his logic.

Every year my wife watches the “Making the Team” behind the scenes show of the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders on CMT. Every year they end by showing scenes from the opening game of the field - sideline shots of the cheerleaders. I’m sure they get a whole lot of other field shots on opening day besides those. This is the equivalent of penalizing the Cowboys if CMT’s camera people filmed things they weren’t supposed to.

Once they know for sure it wasn’t some covert operation (which based on what has been stated so far, has been shown to be the case), an appropriate penalty would be to fine the Patriots to pay for the NFL’s time and effort in investigating this, and to suspend Kraft productions from all game-day media productions for a period of time until the Krafts prove they can follow all appropriate protocols, and make the Patriots use an NFL-approved, sanctioned and trained media production company instead (like CMT) during the interim period.

Draft picks being on the table is completely nonsensical and inappropriate, which is exactly why the NFL has them on the table.

 

[rochrist]

In a stadium they don’t belong in, during a game they’re not participating in, against a team they’re playing next.

The “it was only a documentary” excuse only goes so far.

Be smarter about who you work for, what your filming and where you’re filming it.

The league will do anything to make the Patriots look bad. Why help them out?

No. The documentary team was not playing them next. The documentary team does not play any games. The documentary team as ZERO connections to the football team other than being paid by Kraft. You might as well sanction Rand-Whitney Waste (A Kraft Group company) for emptying trash that might have football information in it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Every year my wife watches the “Making the Team” behind the scenes show of the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders on CMT. Every year they end by showing scenes from the opening game of the field - sideline shots of the cheerleaders. I’m sure they get a whole lot of other field shots on opening day besides those. This is the equivalent of penalizing the Cowboys if CMT’s camera people filmed things they weren’t supposed to.

Once they know for sure it wasn’t some covert operation (which based on what has been stated so far, has been shown to be the case), an appropriate penalty would be to fine the Patriots to pay for the NFL’s time and effort in investigating this, and to suspend Kraft productions from all game-day media productions for a period of time until the Krafts prove they can follow all appropriate protocols, and make the Patriots use an NFL-approved, sanctioned and trained media production company instead (like CMT) during the interim period.

Draft picks being on the table is completely nonsensical and inappropriate, which is exactly why the NFL has them on the table.

The Chiefs have a behind the scenes show as well. Includes sideline shots.

Its all BS.

 

[Foxypats]

How can they fine the Patriots for anything when they failed to make the connection ? The team needs to fight this ! Such a load of BS.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

How can they fine the Patriots for anything when they failed to make the connection ? The team needs to fight this ! Such a load of BS.

Don’t worry, Robert Kraft has proven that he’s willing to spend every last dollar and fight tooth and nail when his own personal reputation is on the line.

 

[Todd Bradley]

No. The documentary team was not playing them next. The documentary team does not play any games. The documentary team as ZERO connections to the football team other than being paid by Kraft. You might as well sanction Rand-Whitney Waste (A Kraft Group company) for emptying trash that might have football information in it.

Who are you crying to? You think I want to listen to more fake cheating bull?

No crap it was a documentary group of filmmakers. No crap it had absolutely no game day impact.

But these filmmakers are still connected directly to the organization and no matter what you do, you’re not going to convince the idiots of the world otherwise that there wasn’t anything nefarious going on.

So once again I’ll circle back, since you’re not getting my point, it was a dumb decision to make this documentary and even dumber to not even clue in the Bengals or the league office.

You’re the Patriots, everything you do is suspicious, as unfair as it is. That being the case, if you’re insistent on filming this, make sure everyone in the know, is in the know. Not a hard concept to grasp.

How you can dance around that and make excuses is beyond me.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

They’ll lose a third. Don’t even act surprised. Have we forgotten what we’re dealing with here???

 

[r81m]

I understand that taping the sidelines is against the rules.

But, can someone tell me the difference if I sit on the 50 yard line and tape a teams sideline the entire game and post it on YouTube?

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Who are you crying to? You think I want to listen to more fake cheating bull?

No crap it was a documentary group of filmmakers. No crap it had absolutely no game day impact.

But these filmmakers are still connected directly to the organization and no matter what you do, you’re not going to convince the idiots of the world otherwise that there wasn’t anything nefarious going on.

So once again I’ll circle back, since you’re not getting my point, it was a dumb decision to make this documentary and even dumber to not even clue in the Bengals or the league office.

You’re the Patriots, everything you do is suspicious as unfair as it is. That being the case, if you’re insistent on filming this, make sure everyone in the know, is in the know. Not a hard concept to grasp.

How you can dance around that and make excuses is beyond me.

That’s the thing - this just speaks of complete tone-deafness within the organization. If ANY organization should be thinking twice about filming a day-in-the-life-of-a-pro-scout documentary and walking on eggshells while doing so, it’s the one that had its reputation completely tarnished a dozen years ago and lost a 1st round pick due to filming the field for scouting purposes. In many cases, especially in cases like this one, the mere appearance of impropriety should be avoided, let alone impropriety itself. This makes me question the Krafts general business management acumen, and internal controls throughout all of their business ventures.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I understand that taping the sidelines is against the rules.

But, can someone tell me the difference if I sit on the 50 yard line and tape a teams sideline the entire game and post it on YouTube?

Yeah, the NFL will send you a cease and desist order and threaten to have you arrested for violating the terms of your ticket purchase by rebroadcasting their product without their permission, and will likely ban you from going to games for a period of time.

 

[Todd Bradley]

That’s the thing - this just speaks of complete tone-deafness within the organization. If ANY organization should be thinking twice about filming a day-in-the-life-of-a-pro-scout documentary and walking on eggshells while doing so, it’s the one that had its reputation completely tarnished a dozen years ago and lost a 1st round pick due to filming the field for scouting purposes. In many cases, especially in cases like this one, the mere appearance of impropriety should be avoided, let alone impropriety itself. This makes me question the Krafts general business management acumen, and internal controls throughout all of their business ventures.

Thank you!

Someone understands. Completely lack of awareness this organization displayed.

How peope on here can defend the team for being stupid and unprepared is mind boggling.

 

[Todd Bradley]

I understand that taping the sidelines is against the rules.

But, can someone tell me the difference if I sit on the 50 yard line and tape a teams sideline the entire game and post it on YouTube?

Their isn’t.

Any joker in the stands can whip out their phone and film the exact same angle and information.

But people are too stupid and the narrative is set that whenever one hears “Patriots” and “taping” then it must somehow equal “cheating”.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I'm telling you the NFL is FISHING for evidence at this point...nothing but Patriots harassment!

 

[upstater1]

In a stadium they don’t belong in, during a game they’re not participating in, against a team they’re playing next.

The “it was only a documentary” excuse only goes so far.

Be smarter about who you work for, what your filming and where you’re filming it.

The league will do anything to make the Patriots look bad. Why help them out?

???

Advance scouts are ALWAYS at a game the team isn't participating in, against their next opponent.

That's what advanced scouting IS!!

 

[upstater1]

Yeah, the NFL will send you a cease and desist order and threaten to have you arrested for violating the terms of your ticket purchase by rebroadcasting their product without their permission, and will likely ban you from going to games for a period of time.

Have you ever looked at Youtube at all the fan videos? There are hundreds of thousands of them up there.