Penalties being considered for the Pats - UPDATED 1/1/2020

[Ring 6]

Sure, it’s a great idea to do it in your own building or when you’re the opponent on the road.

But you don’t film in another team’s stadium when you’re not even one of the two teams playing.

What’s not to get about the bad optics of it all?

They requested permission

 

[Todd Bradley]

They requested permission

And a lot of good that did them, huh?

Completely besides the point.

 

[Ring 6]

And a lot of good that did them, huh?

Completely besides the point.

What point?

 

[Koma]

What point?

That advanced scouts should scout their team's current game, not a future opponent, apparently.

 

[skinnydog]

They requested permission

They did not request permission to tape the Bengals sideline.

 

[Todd Bradley]

What point?

What exactly are you not following?

There’s zero need to film in an opposing team’s stadium when you’re not the opponent, especially when you’re the most scrutinized team in the league, who already got in trouble once before for a similar scenario.

To do that and not even clear this with Cincinnati is even more idiotic.

Again, the optics on this are dumb, no matter what excuses you try to bring to defend the team’s video department.

 

[Ring 6]

What exactly are you not following?

There’s zero need to film in an opposing team’s stadium when you’re not the opponent, especially when you’re the most scrutinized team in the league, who already got in trouble one for a similar scenario.

To do that and not even clear this with Cincinnati is even more idiotic.

Again, the optics on this are dumb, no matter what excuses you try to bring to defend the team’s video department.

Where do you expect them to film an advanced scout do his job?

 

[Ring 6]

They did not request permission to tape the Bengals sideline.

They requested permission to film the advance scout doing his job in the booth. Seems pretty obvious that filming a scout doing his job would entail shots of what he is looking at. It was 100% innocuous.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sure, it’s a great idea to do it in your own building or when you’re the opponent on the road.

But you don’t film in another team’s stadium when you’re not even one of the two teams playing.

What exactly do you not get about the bad optics of it all?

The only "bad optics" is that it was the Patriots. It would have been less than nothing had it been any other team.

 

[Todd Bradley]

Where do you expect them to film an advanced scout do his job?

I don’t expect them to do it period.

Completely unnecessary.

 

[Todd Bradley]

The only "bad optics" is that it was the Patriots. It would have been less than nothing had it been any other team.

Which is exactly the reason why it shouldn’t have been done.

You know you’re under the microscope, you know the league and other 31 teams will try and do, say and twist anything you do under “cheating”.

The worst possible thing you could do is bring the heat upon yourself with an ill advised web series.

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t expect them to do it period.

Completely unnecessary.

Nothing wrong with doing a documentary.

 

[Ring 6]

Which is exactly the reason why it shouldn’t have been done.

You know you’re under the microscope, you know the league and other 31 teams will try and do, say and twist anything you do under “cheating”.

The worst possible thing you could do is bring the heat upon yourself with an ill advised web series.

Who cares. It was nothing and the investigation will prove that.

 

[Todd Bradley]

Nothing wrong with doing a documentary.

You’re right, there isn’t.

Except when you’re the Patriots and you’re bringing a camera crew into a stadium you don’t belong in.

Again, we’re going around in circles here. If you can’t see how it’s a bad look, I don’t know what else to tell ya.

And uh, clearly the league and other 31 teams care, hence the faux outrage.

 

[NashuaPats]

"Value gained" by any alleged infraction should weigh heavily on the extent of the investigation and timeliness of response. As has been stated before, The NFL always seems to go out of their way to give credibility to "cheating" allegations. It is truly bizarre why any entity would want to regularly call into question the validity of their own product.

These minor "cheating" incidents were mostly considered gamesmanship years ago and were part of the lore of the league. When the Elway Bronco's had vaseline on their jerseys they were told to wipe it off and given a small fine. No media outrage. Not covering the field properly before a playoff game or opening doors to create wind tunnels etc... were once chuckled at or considered home field advantage. Now, someone filming something in front of the other team is cause for outrage. I guess it's just being part of the current "it's not fair" culture/media.

I wonder when that changed...

 

[Deus Irae]

Which is exactly the reason why it shouldn’t have been done.

You know you’re under the microscope, you know the league and other 31 teams will try and do, say and twist anything you do under “cheating”.

The worst possible thing you could do is bring the heat upon yourself with an ill advised web series.

So your argument is that something that's not a problem to do shouldn't have been done, and that the Patriots shouldn't do what every other team can do?


That's silly. They got cleared for the piece and, by all accounts, the sideline footage is nothing you can't get from network or all-22 film, at least in the sense that those sometimes show the same thing. The problem is that the Bengals weren't let in on the situation. Had they been, this likely would have gone off without a hitch, even with the vile and evil Patriots being involved, because then the Bengals guy on site could have said something like "OK, I think you've got enough of that footage" instead of "The damage is done, my friend".

 

[Todd Bradley]

So your argument is that something that's not a problem to do shouldn't have been done, and that the Patriots shouldn't do what every other team can do?

That's silly. They got cleared for the piece and, by all accounts, the sideline footage is nothing you can't get from network or all-22 film. The problem is that the Bengals weren't let in on the situation. Had they been, this likely would have gone off without a hitch, even with the vile and evil Patriots being involved, because then the Bengals guy on site could have said something like "OK, I think you've got enough of that footage" instead of "The damage is done, my friend".

There’s no argument to be had. You’re the Patriots. You’re held to a different standard than everyone else. Sorry, but that’s the truth.

It was a dumb idea that only brought heat on the team, and if you’re going to do this, clearly you’d want to clear it was the opposing team as well, whom is your next opponent. That’s literally common sense.

No it’s not “fair” that the Pats get treated this way, but that’s reality.

In the immortal words of Tom Brady: “We’re the Patriots, everything we do is a big deal.”

 

[skinnydog]

They requested permission to film the advance scout doing his job in the booth. Seems pretty obvious that filming a scout doing his job would entail shots of what he is looking at. It was 100% innocuous.

Sorry, this was fing stupid for anyone associated with the Pats. Probably not a story if the filmed the Browns sideline. They told the Browns they were filming a story on an advance scout. They never asked the Bengals if it was OK to film the Bengals sideline. BB definitively said the filming was against the rules. It was. Were the Pats really trying to get an edge on the Bengals? Of course not. But it was still wrong, against the rules and so, so F’ing stupid.

 

[Deus Irae]

There’s no argument to be had. You’re the Patriots. You’re held to a different standard than everyone else. Sorry, but that’s the truth.

It was a dumb idea that only brought heat on the team, and if you’re going to do this, clearly you’d want to clear it was the opposing team as well, whom is your next opponent. That’s literally common sense.

No it’s not “fair” that the Pats get treated this way, but that’s reality.

In the immortal words of Tom Brady: “We’re the Patriots, everything we do is a big deal.”

There is an argument to be had. It's a simple one. It's that the whole "different standard" thing is a steaming pile of ********. Kraft should deal with it, and put an end to it, if the league is going to keep trying to implement it.

Punishing differently for frequent offenders is one thing. Different enforcement for different teams is a completely different kettle of fish entirely.

 

[Tottie]

There is an argument to be had. It's a simple one. It's that the whole "different standard" thing is a steaming pile of ********. Kraft should deal with it, and put an end to it, if the league is going to keep trying to implement it.

Punishing differently for frequent offenders is one thing. Different enforcement for different teams is a completely different kettle of fish entirely.

Agreed. Taking it one step further, what advantage on the field was gained by this infraction? Even if football ops got the tapes, which is being proven they didn't, what could they of gained that they couldn't gain from the A22? Absolutely nothing. When Atlanta pumped fake noise into the stands, there was an advantage to be gained. To me this is a fine at most.