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Pats always seem to shoot themselves in the foot in thesendisciplinary matters. Brady didn't need to destroy his cell phone, and the producer didn't have to film this.
 
I had no intention of starting a new thread on this subject, but for some reason I keep getting blocked out of the "WTF ..Cinci…filming…" thread.
Mods feel free to move there.

Anyway my question is, after the first filming issue with the Jete, I was under the impression that you were allowed to film in a (paraphrase) "In a space with four walls and a roof..."
A press box?

What is the real rule? Is filming permitted in any location? Not permitted at all? Only certain parts of the field?
And, to me, it seems ridiculous to think there is anything more to be obtained from film that can't be seen with binoculars and pad and pencil. IMO

It's just so stupid with the uproar we are hearing again!

I mean is it legal for BB to buy a ticket behind the sideline to every opponents game, a week before he plays them and break out his cell phone and record everything?

I know he wouldn't, even if he could because he has real work to do. But maybe a scout?
But I think you get my point.

I'm must be missing something.
Any insight from those in the know would be appreciated. Thanks
 
again with this idiotic "the cell phone!!!" meme. Just stop this 100% ignorant fallacy.
 
I don't think that's a super unpopular opinion, FWIW. The Pats should get a standard gameday procedure violation fine and that should be the end of it.
Whatever they get they deserve, they should have known better.
 
I don't think that's a super unpopular opinion, FWIW. The Pats should get a standard gameday procedure violation fine and that should be the end of it.

The league just needs to say “no advantage gained and no advantage looked for” and that will be the end of it.
 
Here is the Patriots exclusive league-approved filming area:



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The league just needs to say “no advantage gained and no advantage looked for” and that will be the end of it.
One can only wish. The longer it goes, the worse it will be. This is not a league that’s kind to us and jealousy reigns supreme. We really should have known better - this falls on Kraft. Feel bad for the coaches, players and us fans.
 
One can only wish. The longer it goes, the worse it will be. This is not a league that’s kind to us and jealousy reigns supreme. We really should have known better - this falls on Kraft. Feel bad for the coaches, players and us fans.

Kraft and his bozo son...
 
My prediction is $500K fine and 3rd rounder lost for the violation. No suspensions if the league agrees with the Patriots version of events. If not then all bets are off and the sky is the limit.

Brutal and over the top but realistic knowing how this league operates. :(
 
If they have b-roll of the team plane landing the Patriots should be docked a draft pick for plotting to blow up their own plane.

How ironic is it that the day the Chiefs equipment goes missing and people automatically try to blame the Pats, a framejob attempt was going down in Cincy?

Also, how ironic is it, that NE is doing these documentary pieces to show behind the scenes FOOTAGE on the inner workings of the team, and yet somehow, they're labeled doing it in order to cheat the 1-12 Bungles.

Our country gets dumber and dumber by the day.
 
How ironic is it that the day the Chiefs equipment goes missing and people automatically try to blame the Pats, a framejob attempt was going down in Cincy?

Also, how ironic is it, that NE is doing these documentary pieces to show behind the scenes FOOTAGE on the inner workings of the team, and yet somehow, they're labeled doing it in order to cheat the 1-12 Bungles. Something has to be afoot


Our country gets dumber and dumber by the day.

It's the American way of reacting to a bad situation. When JFK was shot, it had to be a conspiracy, etc. People never accept the most logical version of events. Something has to be afoot.
 
My prediction is $500K fine and 3rd rounder lost for the violation. No suspensions if the league agrees with the Patriots version of events. If not then all bets are off and the sky is the limit.

Brutal and over the top but realistic knowing how this league operates. :(

Conditional 3rd round: only if they most definitely use it to draft a wr then its fine
 
How ironic is it that the day the Chiefs equipment goes missing and people automatically try to blame the Pats, a framejob attempt was going down in Cincy?

Also, how ironic is it, that NE is doing these documentary pieces to show behind the scenes FOOTAGE on the inner workings of the team, and yet somehow, they're labeled doing it in order to cheat the 1-12 Bungles.

Our country gets dumber and dumber by the day.
True but why give them an opportunity? Kraft and his son should have known better and never allowed any taping from the press box. Even BB said that’s not allowed. Why were they doing something that’s not allowed? Totally unnecessary. Finally the cheating narrative was dying down but no - Kraft productions had to make some stupid Do Your Job podcasts and behind the scenes look at a scout. Who cares! Just don’t do anything that would arouse suspicion, esp taping from the sidelines!
 
I had no intention of starting a new thread on this subject, but for some reason I keep getting blocked out of the "WTF ..Cinci…filming…" thread.
Mods feel free to move there.

Anyway my question is, after the first filming issue with the Jete, I was under the impression that you were allowed to film in a (paraphrase) "In a space with four walls and a roof..."
A press box?

What is the real rule? Is filming permitted in any location? Not permitted at all? Only certain parts of the field?
And, to me, it seems ridiculous to think there is anything more to be obtained from film that can't be seen with binoculars and pad and pencil. IMO

It's just so stupid with the uproar we are hearing again!

I mean is it legal for BB to buy a ticket behind the sideline to every opponents game, a week before he plays them and break out his cell phone and record everything?

I know he wouldn't, even if he could because he has real work to do. But maybe a scout?
But I think you get my point.

I'm must be missing something.
Any insight from those in the know would be appreciated. Thanks
In re the current snafu, the issue is simple : Advanced scouts cannot film anything. The idiot with the Kraft organization was with the advanced scout, and he pointed the camera at the field.

The question is does the football program get penalized because of what someone not affiliated with the football ops did. Answer is most likely yes.
 
What if it was a team that was a repeat offender? One who was busted for Spygate previously?

What if Kraft actually held a press conference and read off the history of the cheating NFL fron offices from NY--->NE, from 20 years ago, and then connected the dots for everyone to hear the real story?

I don't know how you get "busted" for things that never happened. Isn't that the problem here? Use the media and a sinister tone, and the media love$ it because they make tons of money off of this, so they don't want the truth. They just want the wrong info massaged for as long as possible.

People actually believe BB was doing something different than other teams with regards to video scouting for 6 full seasons under Tagliabue's watch, which is hilariously impossible. There is no way a team could openly break a known rule for 6 seasons, 20+ games per year.

It basically means Tagliabue was helping us cheat or everyone was in a coma when NE came to town. There's no way 6 years could go by. What it means is, Goodell changed the rule, which is why it was not voted on into the Constitution and ByLaws. He didn't want it voted on. Do you see?

This means NE never cheated. A rules violation anf FU to the JEts and Manboobs is not cheating. It may be unprofessional like Tomlin intentionally trying to affect play on the field, but what BB did was in no way actual cheating.

So, if you know this to be a lie, the only thing BB did wrong was disrespect how Goodell wanted the rule followed. When other GMs or coaches have erred like this, it's pretty rare picks are taken.

Ours are. This is not a coincidence.

It also means these made up charges can be used as a plat form this "repeat offender" baloney, which is why Kraft has to stand up for once and tell the truth, instead of allowing Goodell to lie.

What's kinda funny is on the heels of Deflategate, Goodell hammered the bejesus out of KC for tampering with Maclin, which is ludicrous because this means Reid could never contact a former employee and maybe they're friends still. But, I think Clowndell did that to show he punishes evenly, since there was so much backlash about Goodell being caught lying about Brady in a federal court.

Meanwhile. the Jets tamper with us, a REPEAT OFFENDER, and nothing happens.

It doesn't help that Felger and Mazz (I've been tuning in these recent days to see if they will continue to lie) continue to pump the lies on air. And, guess what? They're giddy, continuing to lie and mislead the customer.

Can you imagine what people from out the area think when visiting and putting that crap on? Other markets don't have people on the radio, lying to smear the local teams like that.

I have no idea how it's any different than Tomase lying about the Walkthrough tape. Slander is slander.

You'd have to be a complete moron (not you, generally speaking), to not see what has been going on and what is going on here. This is about nitpicking on rules that aren't broken or intended to be broken in any way, used against the Pats to steal picks.

A normal commissioner would believe the simple explanation and just fine for effect for gameday protocol.

NE is watched like a hawk for these specific kinds of "opportunities" to smear and punish because it's clear teams know Goodell will consider anything. It's a known thing. No way Kraft isn't aware of this. No way BB isn't completely aware of this for being told to go silent on Spygate our he'd be suspended or possibly banished from the league His memoir and chapter on these matters, will be very telling. We'll all get the details someday or Kraft can finally stand up here.

They all likely sat in a room after Spygate and said "my goodness, they will do anything to try to slow us down, we have to make sure we check and double check every move we make".....I mean, this is how Kraft and BB knew Brady did nothing. It's how I knew he did nothing the second I heard of it.

This why they actually called into NFL offices before the Ravens game to check on the substitution thing, too. They don't want it to be seen that they're doing something that can be used against them.

Indy and Balt probably heard about that, on the heels of Brady telling Cheatbaugh to check the rule book as he sits on that Competition Committee like Polian, tailoring rules for himself and to go after BB, and voila, another frame job was formulated.

It's sick, but these are the real facts the media ignores. They also ignore 3 different federal judges have called Goodell a liar. Doty, Jones and Berman. All 3 told the NFL they were lying on 3 different topics.

Why anyone would believe a proven liar in federal courts, is beyond me. I mean, the narrative from Fat Boy Bertrand on 98.5 right now is "this doesn't look good even if innocent because of no credibility", etc, but how does Goodell have credibility? It's just so funny to me.

The Pats are not the ones being caught lying in federal courts and have never hid anything from the league.

How this is not a simple fine and be done with it like other leagues would do? Unfortunately, we know the answer.

Gooodell's phone has been lightinng up since last week with owners, GMs, etc, all over the league making it seem like is something sinister, probably making arguments for punishments to cheat with draft pick theft.

Reports are Cincy is "furious", but I think the Pats should be knowing this is being handled improperly by Cincy.

1. Team personnel filmed in the press box without Cleveland's consent.
2. They did not believe Kraft Productions, and then took the video and ran to Goodell, when teams are supposed to alert NFL personnel to intervene.
 
In re the current snafu, the issue is simple : Advanced scouts cannot film anything. The idiot with the Kraft organization was with the advanced scout, and he pointed the camera at the field.

The question is does the football program get penalized because of what someone not affiliated with the football ops did. Answer is most likely yes.
While most of us can appreciate why there would be another penalty, it should be limited to a fine and a low level draft pick. More importantly, it should come with a brief explanation that this had nothing to do with the team’s practices, but was limited to the documentary.

Goodell has the power to bring real facts to everyone, in terms of an explanation and an attempt to help smooth things over. Let’s see if he does what’s right for the game or if this is another example of trying to ruin the Patriots’ dynasty. We’ll know soon enough.
 
It's the American way of reacting to a bad situation. When JFK was shot, it had to be a conspiracy, etc. People never accept the most logical version of events. Something has to be afoot.
Not gonna get into a debate, but JFK was hit by 2 different bullet types. First was a full metal jacket that went through his back and was most likely a kill shot anyways. The 2nd bullet was a hollow point that exploded part of his skull. Follow the logic there.
 
True but why give them an opportunity? Kraft and his son should have known better and never allowed any taping from the press box. Even BB said that’s not allowed. Why were they doing something that’s not allowed? Totally unnecessary. Finally the cheating narrative was dying down but no - Kraft productions had to make some stupid Do Your Job podcasts and behind the scenes look at a scout. Who cares! Just don’t do anything that would arouse suspicion, esp taping from the sidelines!

Well, I've been one saying for YEARS now that Kraft needs to step down. He's way, way above the radar almost as if he's loving it.

Even the day spa thing...To go there, with security cameras, etc, was dumb. I don't think it's a big deal, but this has become a game to try to embarrass NE off the field, so literally ANYTHING can be used as a framejob because it's clear Goodell enables this.

Meanwhile, when another team clearly breaks the rules, a minimal or no punishment occurs.

How do you cover for a busted broken down QB in Manning with HGH, after setting a precdent on a NE player in 2006 for rehabbing with it, and then the media act like nothing happened?

This is the kind of presentation I want Kraft to do if nary a draft pick is taken in this situation.

Goodell has WAY more dirt on him and his cheating ways than NE ever could.

My guess is with the "not allowed" thing, the producer though shooting from behind as innocent as it was as a backdrop B Roll shot, meant it was fine. Also, announcing it to the Browns, people right there, etc.

It's quite possible even the producer himself isn't aware of the venom the league has toward our team.

Still, it's only a fineable thing at best.
 
Not gonna get into a debate, but JFK was hit by 2 different bullet types. First was a full metal jacket that went through his back and was most likely a kill shot anyways. The 2nd bullet was a hollow point that exploded part of his skull. Follow the logic there.
Magic.
 
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