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As much as people love to crap on Jerry GMing his own team, it’s difficult to find a team that has drafted better than them past few seasons. Tons of great home grown talent.

Sadly for them, Jerry prefers a glorified cheerleader to a real coach. Really talented tough team. If they had a great coach, they’d be in the mix to be in the big game every year.
I thought 2018 was pretty good but not in love w any others from recent drafts though.

Just curious if you liked another one?
 
I thought 2018 was pretty good but not in love w any others from recent drafts though.

Just curious if you liked another one?
Well 2016 for sure but just the overlook of the last few years they’ve gotten Dak, Zeke, all those OL men, Jaylon Smith, LVE, and Gallup.
 
Well 2016 for sure but just the overlook of the last few years they’ve gotten Dak, Zeke, all those OL men, Jaylon Smith, LVE, and Gallup.
Oh absolutely. I was speaking more recent but 2016 is right up there w the best over the last 10 years.

Dan has been very good, top 5 this year. Zeke as projected but they hit big time w Smith. If him & LVE stay healthy that's as good as it gets for a duo.
 
Does anyone know if there is any over hang in the lower section?
 
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Let's say that the patriot defense hold the #1 offense in the NFL to 14 points. You would give up on the team if our offense scores 10, and be happy if they score 17. Finally, your position that this opinion has to do with the defense.

If the Defense craps the bed like they did vs Baltimore then I would say yes.

Defense is going to have to win this game tomorrow.
 
If Dallas plays zone, our offense could explode. Brady eats up zone defenses!
 
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Let's say that the patriot defense hold the #1 offense in the NFL to 14 points. You would give up on the team if our offense scores 10, and be happy if they score 17. Finally, your position that this opinion has to do with the defense.
The D has only given up 0ver 14 points one time in the last 11 games, we all know which game that was.
 


Keep the fingers crossed. Not sure for what though. On the one hand I don't want him to carry this injury around for the rest of the season and the Cowboys seem like the best time to rest relative to the two next games.

On the other hand Sanu would be a big boost for the offense. Especially without Dorsett if time really ran out to pass the final stage of the concussion protocol.
 


Keep the fingers crossed. Not sure for what though. On the one hand I don't want him to carry this injury around for the rest of the season and the Cowboys seem like the best time to rest relative to the two next games.

On the other hand Sanu would be a big boost for the offense. Especially without Dorsett if time really ran out to pass the final stage of the concussion protocol.

Sanu contributed much more when they made it a point to design plays that would get him the ball quickly. It seems that this would be a good approach because he probably isn’t going to be getting open nearly as often without those plays by design, and that’s for multiple reasons.

As for today, it seems like a good James White game, but what do I know? We’ll have to see how they look.
 
Sanu contributed much more when they made it a point to design plays that would get him the ball quickly. It seems that this would be a good approach because he probably isn’t going to be getting open nearly as often without those plays by design, and that’s for multiple reasons.

Yes.

The other reason for those plays was that this was the fastest way of getting him on the field after the trade. Give him that specific slice of the offense where you already know he is comfortable given his history and build with others who have a fuller grasp of complimentary routes around him.
 
On Sanu as a PR: If he's the difference between a 10 yard return and no return, how is it different than if you had him make a catch for 10 yards? I've never seen any evidence that punt returners are at greater risk of injury than a receiver after he's caught a pass. Hell, Edelman, Gordon, and Dorsett all got hurt this year, playing regular offense. Some of you think a PR who can actually produce some yards isn't as valuable as one catch, I (and Belichick) disagree.

Especially given how often the Pats' defense forces their opponents to punt.
 
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Let's say that the patriot defense hold the #1 offense in the NFL to 14 points. You would give up on the team if our offense scores 10, and be happy if they score 17. Finally, your position that this opinion has to do with the defense.

Yes I believe that the success of this team right now is on the defense.

We know what the offense is, can the D play lights out vs a capable Offense?
 
The fact that Sanu is even contemplating playing today is great news. High ankle sprains can sometimes take over a month depending on how severe. Very possible we'll have him and Dorsett for next week, if we pull one out today we're in great shape.
 
Missed last week. Let's talk this week!

Dallas Cowgirls

QB – Prescott is having perhaps his best year. That being said he isn't the passer his rating says he is. While a competent QB he has made a fair amount. A QB who is good enough that you don't want to replace him but not good enough to win it for you. The worst spot to be in the NFL.

RB – Elliot has built his reputation behind amazing Offensive lines. Now that he no longer has one we are seeing what he is. A good but not game changing player. The most overrated part of his game is pass catching. Yes he will catch the easy passes and fall forward but he rarely takes them for big yards. Tony Pollard is a solid back up. The Pats won't face a bad runner on sunday, but they shouldn't face anyone who can kill them either.

WR – Dallas has really done well here. A good trade and a good draft pick in Gallup have made this a very good 1-2 punch on the outside. Cobb is having a nice year as well and is the unsung hero of the team. The Pats may well be facing the best core of WRs they have all year.

TE – Witten is still solid enough, but you can't forget about Blake Jerwin who is having a solid year. Neither are amazing but they offer a decent 1-2 punch combined.

OL – The Cowboys line is as follows Tyrone Smith, Conner Williams, Travis Fredrick, Zach Martin and La'el Collins. Right now Williams is injured and so Su'a-Filo will step into that spot. Collins is banged up but will play. Smith and Collins have done well as the tackles this year, as was expected. Two of the better players at their spots. Martin is still elite but Williams has been a big issue on this line. That will still be the case with Su'a-Filo Fredrick has not looked right all year. I'm sure some of that has to due with how bad that other guard spot has been but mostly it has to do with coming back from an injury. The middle of this line for the first time in a while is vulnerable.

On defense Dallas runs a 4-3

DE - Lawrence is still one of the top guys at his spot. Quinn has been disappointing and that has continued this year. His play has never justified his snaps. Since trading for Bennett he has moved right into this rotation which is pretty much a 3 man group. He fits better here than he did with us and has been a nice upgrade. While other players see snaps here on occasion these are the main 3.

DT – Maliek Collins plays a ton of snaps for a DT and will see the field a ton. While he isn't an elite DT he has been very solid at this spot. More of a run stopper than pass rusher, but he can pass rush some. Woods is the other starter but plays about half the snaps of Collins. He is pretty much only a run stopper and isn't that good. Since trading for Bennett these are the only 2 guys who has seen the field who are true Dts. The like to go lite on the DL.

LB – In this spot the main 2 starters are Jaylon Smith and Esch who see nearly all the snaps on D. Sean Lee plays a fair amount but not as many as the other two. He is the clear option when they want 3 guys on the field. No one else is worth mentioning. Smith is having another very good season. Esch who was very impressive as a rookie has apparently regressed. Lee is meh.

CB – The CBs are Byron Jones and Chidobe Awuzie. The same two starters as last year. The 3rd CB was Anthony Brown but he has since lost that spot to Jourdan Lewis. They still use Brown a bit here and there but it is mostly those 3 guys. Since entering the league Jones has been one of the better #1 CBs in the NFL. He has talent to spare and his technique is solid. Awuzie was a player I was super high on, so far he has been fine but is nothing more than a solid #2. Lewis has been solid since day1 pretty much. Not great but solid. Overall this is a strong unit with no weak point.

S – This spot is very much in flux. Xavier Woods is one of the starters with the other one being the hurt Jeff Heath. He missed last game and as of now he still questionable as far as I know. If he can't go then the guy to step up will likely be Darian Thompson. They almost never play more than 2 safeties. Woods is a very solid safety. Heath has been the weak link in this unit for a while. Considering the solid players around him the fact he can't simply do his job without having to worry about anything else speaks volumes. If he can't go it only gets worse.

Overall

When the Pats are on offense: The weak spots to attack are SS and the middle of the D at LB. While their run D isn't horrible they go lite and need to be punished for it when they do. The pass rush isn't really that good even with the addition of Bennett, but it's respectable. They don't have many obvious weaknesses to attack but don't have many players who dictate how the Pats have to play. A typical James White/Edelman type of game. We might see more Watson too.

Then the Pats are on defense: Regardless of what you hear in the media, the strength of Dallas is their pass game, not their run game. Yes they can run but if they are to score they do it on the back of their very good skill players and Prescott extending plays. The Patriots need to attack right up the middle of their OL. The C/G combo is vulnerable. This isn't a team we want to learn on our coverage for too long. They have pass catchers who can compete with ours DBs. IF the Pats need to cover for 4+ seconds there will be issues.

Quoting, since this represents almost 90% of the substantive on-topic discussion on this thread.

Interesting perspective on Quinn. I haven't watched him, but he's the name at the media's fingertips because he leads the team in sacks. Glad to have Wynn watching Brady's blindside. That should help give him time to look for receivers other than White and Edelman, as Jules is likely to get extra attention and White will be going-up against a speedy group of LBs.

I'm hoping to see something new out of Josh in response to the depleted WR core. The kids will get their snaps, but there could also be some interesting things pulled out of depths of the playbook that rely on veterans. (I'll leave the details of that to the professionals, but I could see something involving 2 RB with the flexibility to go 5 wide or pony sets.) In the end, however, I think it comes down to how well the Pats can run the ball out of more conventional sets.

On offense, Dallas typically operates out of a 3WR set, which means that the Pats are likely to be in nickel defense. I think the Pats match-up well in the passing game that way, but that can put them at a disadvantage in the running game. With Guy and Shelton in the middle of a 4-2 nickel, they should hold-up ok, but then they could get caught on the field in passing situations, as Dallas does a decent job with the no huddle. I'm not as confident in running game matchup in the 3-3 nickel. That, to me, will be the story of the game as it relates to the rest of the season. The Pats have one of the best pass defenses I've seen. If they can also stop the run from a talented and powerful OL and RB, they are going to give the Pats a chance to win against anyone, no matter how much the offense struggles to produce, because TB isn't going to go out and actively lose games for them.
 
If Dallas plays zone, our offense could explode. Brady eats up zone defenses!

With who we potentially have lining up at receiver today I imagine they'll play us straight up for the most part. Double Julian and make the rookies beat them.
 


Keep the fingers crossed. Not sure for what though. On the one hand I don't want him to carry this injury around for the rest of the season and the Cowboys seem like the best time to rest relative to the two next games.

On the other hand Sanu would be a big boost for the offense. Especially without Dorsett if time really ran out to pass the final stage of the concussion protocol.


If he is a little less of 100%, i say we stash him

As much as Im nervous about what kind of aereal production we're going to have today, if Sanu gets injured we are down to Edelman and White as the ONLY skill/receiving players that have had at least decent production in the NFL before.



EDIT - I forgot Ben Watson, but THIS BW certainly isn't the younger BW, so you know... point stands
 
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