Brady is having a great season

[borg]

You were trolling, as is your wont. Don't pretend it was anything more.

Just do a better job of trolling. Intentional groundings? The moment you typed that, you should have known that your post was hot garbage.

Facts = trolling ?
Brady=====> Middle of the pack QB according to most metrics
Sorry you can't handle that

More facts

NE has had the most offensive drives in NFL this year....107 (median 91)
Great defense vs awful teams = more offensive drives

NE's average starting field position is #2 in the NFL....34.4 yd line (median 28)
Great defense vs awful teams = handing NE offense amazing field position
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With the highest number of drives and 2nd best field position in NFL...

NE's offense is 17th in points/drive....2.11 (#1 Balt= 2.95)
NE's offense is 19th in yds/drive....30.37 (#1 Balt=43.1)
NE has punted 3rd most in NFL..
etc
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So.... middling QB stats, squandered opportunities, and anemic drives...
45.9 rating vs Buffalo
80, 80, and 89 ratings in 3 of last 4 games

Therefore

Less is more & "Brady has been playing great"

What happened Deus....you used to be the objective one on this board.
Now your giving Benefit of the Doubt points for feats not performed.
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PS....his picks have been mind benders, right on the numbers to the bad guys...not tipped/what are you gonna do INTs.

 

[Deus Irae]

Facts = trolling ?

Sure, sometimes. Especially, when in a case like this, you're bringing up intentional grounding penalties. As I said, that should have clued you in to just how much of a garbage post you were making. Now, run along. Take some aspirin and water for that hangover, before you embarrass yourself further.

 

[mgteich]

I agree that we shouldn't "worry" about Brady's play. However, this thread was about Brady having a "great season". Do you think that Brady is having a great season? Surely, a quarterback having a great season (with his team at 8-1) should be considered for the MVP. Again, do you think that Brady his having a "great" season?

Yeah. If you just take away the 2 INTs that are pretty obviously because new players screwed up their routes, his rating goes up to 96, even without Gronk or any semblance of a running game. So I have a hard time worrying about Brady's play.

 

[Deus Irae]

What happened Deus....you used to be the objective one on this board.
Now your giving Benefit of the Doubt points for feats not performed.
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PS....his picks have been mind benders, right on the numbers to the bad guys...not tipped/what are you gonna do INTs.

I am about as objective as it gets on this site. And your comments about picks show that you're not. He's got 2 picks that were the result of new guys screwing up (Meyers along the goal line and Sanu stopping on a route). He's got a 3rd that was obviously the result of a misread of a coverage, by either he or Edelman, and most likely by Edelman. So 3 of his 5 picks are likely brain farts by the receivers. That doesn't mean that Brady's been great, but it's part of why the word "context" is so important. And your choosing to ignore context, and to look for things like intentional grounding penalties, is your problem, not anyone else's, and particularly not mine.

As I said, go get some water and aspirin.

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree that we shouldn't "worry" about Brady's play. However, this thread was about Brady having a "great season". Do you think that Brady is having a great season? Surely, a quarterback having a great season (with his team at 8-1) should be considered for the MVP. Again, do you think that Brady his having a "great" season?

How are we defining "great"? Statistically? Effectiveness? Ability to overcome all the **** swirling around?


If people want to critique based upon the word "great", they should have an explanation that goes beyond "But QB rating! TDs! INTs!, Intentional groundings!".

 

[Jangles]

To my eye, Brady has been above average to pretty good with occasional bits of brilliance sprinkled in.

He’s made some amazing throws, but overall I think his accuracy hasn’t been up to his usual standard. His arm strength looks great though. I constantly find myself marveling at how he can still sling it downfield at 42 while Peyton Manning couldn’t throw it much past the line of scrimmage.

 

[Tony2046]

I agree that we shouldn't "worry" about Brady's play. However, this thread was about Brady having a "great season". Do you think that Brady is having a great season? Surely, a quarterback having a great season (with his team at 8-1) should be considered for the MVP. Again, do you think that Brady his having a "great" season?

I do. I think he's doing a great job with the circumstances given.

In separate threads we've discussed the Oline, Sony's lack of run production, the WR turnstile and now Brady's " average" production.

As we all know none those issues or subjects are independent from the other but some seem to like analyzing them as though they were which at times is comical.

Brady's stats, outside of " athletic processing" and " " fluttering passes", is a reflection of the combined performancs of all of the above so to say that Brady's performance has declined independently from losing Andrews, Devlin etc...etc... is being disingenuous imo.

 

[Deus Irae]

To my eye, Brady has been above average to pretty good with occasional bits of brilliance sprinkled in.

He’s made some amazing throws, but overall I think his accuracy hasn’t been up to his usual standard. His arm strength looks great though. I constantly find myself marveling at how he can still sling it downfield at 42 while Peyton Manning couldn’t throw it much past the line of scrimmage.

This is an excellent example of why I talk about context so much. You're seeing what you think you're seeing (I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but am just pointing out why context is so important), yet:

• This year, Brady's completion percentage is 64.8%
  
• Brady's career average completion rate is 64.1%
• Brady's completion percentage in 2013 (a similar, relatively recent, year with major WR and TE issues) was 60.5%
• Brady's completion percentage from 2010-2013 was 63.6%, and that includes his unanimous 2010 MVP Season.
  
• Brady's completion percentage from 2014-2018 was 65.5%, including two years where the percentage was below this year's percentage.

So, looking at just the data, the argument can easily be made that he's actually being more accurate than usual.

 

[Hyped]

The bar is set so high for Brady and the Patriots.

Short of a season with a 70% comp rate, 5k+ passing yarfs, 50+ passing TDs, and under 8 interceptions thrown = Brady being a bum.

The end will come when it comes. It isn't the end yet.

Appreciate every remaining game of this brilliant career/run while you still can.

 

[Tony2046]

Facts = trolling ?
Brady=====> Middle of the pack QB according to most metrics
Sorry you can't handle that

More facts

NE has had the most offensive drives in NFL this year....107 (median 91)
Great defense vs awful teams = more offensive drives

NE's average starting field position is #2 in the NFL....34.4 yd line (median 28)
Great defense vs awful teams = handing NE offense amazing field position
-----------------
With the highest number of drives and 2nd best field position in NFL...

NE's offense is 17th in points/drive....2.11 (#1 Balt= 2.95)
NE's offense is 19th in yds/drive....30.37 (#1 Balt=43.1)
NE has punted 3rd most in NFL..
etc
--------
So.... middling QB stats, squandered opportunities, and anemic drives...
45.9 rating vs Buffalo
80, 80, and 89 ratings in 3 of last 4 games

Therefore

Less is more & "Brady has been playing great"

What happened Deus....you used to be the objective one on this board.
Now your giving Benefit of the Doubt points for feats not performed.
---------
PS....his picks have been mind benders, right on the numbers to the bad guys...not tipped/what are you gonna do INTs.

" His picks have been mind benders"

Tells me you're not seeing what's happening with the Oline.

Maybe if I get some time tonight I'll put something together but the Oline missing their assignments has a been a problem and has led to Brady interceptions. If Brady's arm gets hit as he's throwing the ball within a reasonable amount of time that int is on the Oline.

 

[Biffins]

“Great” must have a new meaning

Middle of QB pack in rating, INTs, TDs.
Tops in intentional groundings.

Labeling Brady as “great” this year is based on reputation not performance

I gave a quantitative, not a qualitative assessment. I am pointing out why the passing offense has not been very efficient but in total volume it's doing the job. We're moving the ball and scoring points. That's what matters. Not QB ratings.

 

[Biffins]

The formula for this Pats teams ultimate success is closer to the 2015 Broncos than it is to most recent Patriots versions. That Broncos defense got it done particularly in the playoffs and the offense did just enough to bring them the title. This Patriots offense, as flawed as it is, is still miles better than that Broncos team so if the defense can keep other teams in check there is no reason this team will not be one of the 4 finalists with a real shot at the title.

Did you note we're leading or 2nd place in yards and points. Why do you think this offense is a liability?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Brady has reason to be frustrated with his offense but he's as much of a force as he's ever been. And fans should cut him some slack.

Brady is currently 2nd in the NFL in throwing yards at 2,536 after Rivers, who has had one more game on their Thursday night loss. I am pretty sure Brady will end the season top of the table in Passing Yards.

2019 NFL Passing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Unfortunately this is not because of how efficient our passing game is but how deficient our running game is.

Now part of the problem is that the 2 guys leading the Passing Yards category, Rivers and Brady, are just throwing too much. Rivers and Brady have 7.7 and 7.1 NY/A which are pretty weak. They are leading in passing yards since they have thrown by far the most in the league with 365 and 360 attempts and that's 10 games for Rivers and 9 for Brady. Adjusting for that, Patriots are throwing the ball the most per game. This should dispel the notion that Brady is on any count of pitch count. Brady will probably end the season throwing the most amount of passes in the league by any QB. This should be a surprise for many.

The reason is their weak sauce running game this season. Pats rank 29th out of 32 in Y/A for running at 3.3 yards.

2019 NFL Standings & Team Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

We all know the reasons, loss of 3 OL, loss of 2 blocking TEs from last year, loss of FB. Cumulative loss has been devastating. And Michel is the kind of runner who needs efficient blocking and can't improvise much.

So the responsibility has fallen on Brady to carry the team. And some of the issues in running (OL and TE) are also affecting the Passing. And the turnover on receivers on top of that. Despite that Brady has done credibly.

Patriots lead the NFL in 270 pts and are 2nd in pts/game at 30.0 versus Baltimore at 31.4 pts/game. And removing the 2 fumble TDs and 2 Interception TDs doesn't change things dramatically as Baltimore also has 2 fumble TDs and 1 Interception TD. And it's not just a case of short field position as I have already demonstrated with passing yards table. We're moving the ball.

I am very confident if our running game improves its efficiency even slightly, to get to middle of the pack at 4.2 yards per carry or something, our passing offense's efficiency will improve dramatically as we become less one dimensional.

Brady should be given lots of credit for how much he's doing with how little help he has. The running game has hampered the overall offense with being predictable. The OL's troubles are causing more pressures on him. The lack of TEs for receiving targets reduces the packages we can run in offense and our options in general. And the turnover in WR is just the cherry on top, making it harder for the team to gel and everyone to get on the same page.

Brady deserves kudos for doing so much with so little. I really hope the contract situation doesn't unravel in an ugly fashion. We're lucky to have him and we should all be thankful we're watching this man play for us.

You’re watching a great player dealing with all the issues that about 29 other fan bases whine about and say “no one could succeed with this running game and protection!” We’ve hear this pop all all the time from fanboys of Wilson, Eli, Stafford, Stafford...I could name so many. This is how an elite QB handles crappy circumstances. He doesn’t get all-pro honors yet still puts up 30 ppg. Brady is a marvel.

 

[Deus Irae]

Did you note we're leading or 2nd place in yards and points. Why do you think this offense is a liability?

And here is a good place to point to the other side of the coin. The offense has been a major beneficiary of the defense. Short fields and a lot of turnovers help with points and yards, and make the offense look better than it really is. The Patriots are #3 in the NFL in most punts made. Only Tennessee and the NYJ have punted more often.

 

[Tony2046]

Did you note we're leading or 2nd place in yards and points. Why do you think this offense is a liability?

Because they haven't been consistent enough imo but are definitely starting to get things rolling. This bye week came at just the right time.

 

[Doctor DDS]

This offense is rated so highly in points scored mainly due to the exceptional defense. Similar to how many of the Pats defenses over the years were more highly rated than they played due to the dominance of the offense and rarely being put into unfavorable situations.

So far, this offense has probably been somewhere between 10-15 in the league. Due to so many blowouts its harder to quantify what they've done as they have not needed to play with urgency in several seconds halves. I think they can become substantially better if everything clicks and they should be good enough to do their part to win the big games.

 

[borg]

Let’s compromise....

Thanks to the “great” defense (a legitimate use of great 8/9’s of the games), Brady has been a “great” game manager**

** Except in games when the defense carried the team, games when offense disappeared in 2nd half, and vs Baltimore when the team actually needed a great Brady performance

 

[Joker]

to sum up...we should have kept Dreamy JimmyG

now..back to the season and what we already have. Those of you in so much pain you cannot stomach anymore, feel free to change hats and find a suitable QB that fulfills your precious needs.

 

[ivanvamp]

Yeah. If you just take away the 2 INTs that are pretty obviously because new players screwed up their routes, his rating goes up to 96, even without Gronk or any semblance of a running game. So I have a hard time worrying about Brady's play.

Yep, I'm not worrying about it either. He's been fine. Not *great*, but fine.

 

[p8ryts]

The formula for this Pats teams ultimate success is closer to the 2015 Broncos than it is to most recent Patriots versions. That Broncos defense got it done particularly in the playoffs and the offense did just enough to bring them the title. This Patriots offense, as flawed as it is, is still miles better than that Broncos team so if the defense can keep other teams in check there is no reason this team will not be one of the 4 finalists with a real shot at the title.

That's correct and even as bad as that game was Brady almost brought them back. Just like Thomas last week, Talib knew the ball was going to Edelman and it got knocked away. That offensive line was even more injured than this one I think.