Demaryius Thomas says he was insulted/disrespected by Patriots.

[shmessy]

Are you serious, DT has only played 3 games, limited in the 1st, and 2 of the games was with Falk as QB! He went 4 of 4 with Darnold for 62 yards in last game.

Meyers has played 5 games with the GOAT QB!

For you to claim Meyers >> DT is ludicrous.

AT this stage of his career, DT is a training room liability.

Meyers hasn't missed a session. You can't win from the whirlpool.

BTW, the Patriots operate to be good for the LONG HAUL. How will Jakobi Meyers be in 2020, 2021........There is a reason for them being the OUTLIER, while people like you want them to be the Browns:





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[luuked]

Lol it’s the same thing.
Comparing 2 games to 6 gives the same result if you divide by the number of games or triple the 2 games. COMPARABLE UNITS.

Clearly.

Boy do you miss some fundamentals in stats.

 

[venecol]

But given our inability over the years to find and develop many young WRs, has Thomas done enough to make you feel ok watching Meyers develop into a good player on another team?

And nobody is suggesting we need to trade for a WR simply because Meyers isn't good enough, it's because they feel Edelman/Gordon/Dorsett/Meyers isn't good enough. Can you say with any conviction trade talks wouldn't still exist on this board if the group was Edelman/Gordon/Dorsett/Thomas?

I think that it's a stretch to assume Meyers would not have cleared waivers, but it is certainly possible that Gunner would have. Of course, we'll never know for sure.

I think that TB would have loved to have DT as a viable receiving option. Clearly the main concerns with DT was his health, which appears to have been resolved (so far). It's ironic that DT will be playing MNF but JG and maybe even PD may not.

It is what it is.

 

[Ring 6]

Boy do you miss some fundamentals in stats.

Very reluctant to be drawn into this but.....

10 in 2 games vs 12 in 6 games.
10/2 to 12/6
5 to 2
30/6 to 12/6

basic math.

 

[TommyD4207]

Very reluctant to be drawn into this but.....

10 in 2 games vs 12 in 6 games.
10/2 to 12/6
5 to 2
30/6 to 12/6

basic math.

Thanks for checking in, DT.

 

[luuked]

Disagree on the value of hindsight, since without it how can you avoid making the same mistake over and over

There is zero to learn in this case which is why hindsight is pointless.

An expandable player was let go at a position with reasonable depth. Then AB was released, Edelman injured himself, Meredith got released, Dorsett got injured, Gordon got injured.

All this while DT was rehabbing a hamstring injury himself.

There is literally nothing that could have been done differently. And no mistake at all was made. Unless you wanted them to go with 8WR on the roster on the off chance that all WR get injured.

But then I ask you what positional group should we take a spot from and more importantly what if one of the players there got injured instead ?

We would get the lazy "it was a mistake to release depth at that position" takes.

 

[Ring 6]

Thanks for checking in, DT.

What are you talking about?
There is no bias whatsoever in my argument.

my argument is and has been that the stats presented were dishonest. I would have the exact same point of view regardless of who the players are. I have no horse in the race.

 

[Ring 6]

There is zero to learn in this case which is why hindsight is pointless.

An expandable player was let go at a position with reasonable depth. Then AB was released, Edelman injured himself, Meredith got released, Dorsett got injured, Gordon got injured.

All this while DT was rehabbing a hamstring injury himself.

There is literally nothing that could have been done differently. And no mistake at all was made. Unless you wanted them to go with 8WR on the roster on the off chance that all WR get injured.

But then I ask you what positional group should we take a spot from and more importantly what if one of the players there got injured instead ?

We would get the lazy "it was a mistake to release depth at that position" takes.

The decision would have been to keep Thomas when you already had Edelman AB Gordon and let him fight in out with dorsett for scraps or to keep the young players who could develop.
it’s very hard to endorse that decision.
The only real argument is Belichick screwed up by not inventing a time machine and knowing brown would be cut.

 

[shmessy]

AT this stage of his career, DT is a training room liability.

Meyers hasn't missed a session. You can't win from the whirlpool.

BTW, the Patriots operate to be good for the LONG HAUL. How will Jakobi Meyers be in 2020, 2021........There is a reason for them being the OUTLIER, while people like you want them to be the Browns:

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For Venecol, who evdiently posted a "Confused" emoji in response to the above, yes, I forgot, you are one of the unaware.

Here ya go, it's amazing what's happened over 20 years:

Another Signpost of the Greatest Dynasty in American Sports History




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[Crazy Patriot Guy]

I think that it's a stretch to assume Meyers would not have cleared waivers, but it is certainly possible that Gunner would have. Of course, we'll never know for sure.

I think that TB would have loved to have DT as a viable receiving option. Clearly the main concerns with DT was his health, which appears to have been resolved (so far). It's ironic that DT will be playing MNF but JG and maybe even PD may not.

It is what it is.

Gunner is playing just under 50% of special teams snaps, with Slater and Bolden being the only offensive players with more. Gunner didn't directly take a roster spot from Thomas anymore than Slater did. I think Crossen being traded to the Texans opened up a spot for him.

 

[venecol]

There is zero to learn in this case which is why hindsight is pointless.

An expandable player was let go at a position with reasonable depth. Then AB was released, Edelman injured himself, Meredith got released, Dorsett got injured, Gordon got injured.

All this while DT was rehabbing a hamstring injury himself.

There is literally nothing that could have been done differently. And no mistake at all was made. Unless you wanted them to go with 8WR on the roster on the off chance that all WR get injured.

But then I ask you what positional group should we take a spot from and more importantly what if one of the players there got injured instead ?

We would get the lazy "it was a mistake to release depth at that position" takes.

I'm simply suggesting that one of the udfa WRs should have been placed on the PS. Also, I was not in favor of hiring AB at the time, so there is that. Obviously once hired, then I was opposed to releasing AB, which is what has put the team in a pickle. So I'm batting 0 for 2, wrong on both counts.

We simply disagree, that's fine.

 

[shmessy]

Very reluctant to be drawn into this but.....

10 in 2 games vs 12 in 6 games.
10/2 to 12/6
5 to 2
30/6 to 12/6

basic math.

AWOL in 4 games. Useless, couldn't block in those games, couldn't be used as a depth, etc.

Where will the two players be in 2020, 2021, 2022???????

Why have the Patriots won 10+ games each season for 17 years straight now??????

Most of us here have seen the reason over almost decades.......You may learn.

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[Ring 6]

For Venecol, who evdiently posted a "Confused" emoji in response to the above, yes, I forgot, you are one of the unaware.

Here ya go, it's amazing what's happened over 20 years:

Another Signpost of the Greatest Dynasty in American Sports History




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Are you implying that the success of the franchise is proof positive of what your opinion is of why they have been successful and proof someone else’s opinion is wrong?
Damn this place is kinda whack.
One guy arguing 2+2=4 is statistically ignorant and another saying everything I think is right because the team wins.
My time here may be short.....

 

[luuked]

Very reluctant to be drawn into this but.....

10 in 2 games vs 12 in 6 games.
10/2 to 12/6
5 to 2
30/6 to 12/6

basic math.

So let me get his straight. You are using now targets instead of receptions for whatever reason to make a point. That shows considerably more drops for DT in fewer games but whatever we don't care right ?

But you do realise that targets are pointless to look at right ? Would you argue that someone with 5 targets for a yard somehow has better numbers than someone with 3 targets for 5 yards each ?

This is so lazy.. at least come up with something interesting to make a point.

Also again.. you don't extrapolate when you are trying to compare. Because with only 2 games played for DT the variance of all his stats will be substantially higher than that of Meyers as there is less statistical confidence.

Math doesn't have that much to do with statistics.

 

[shmessy]

What are you talking about?
There is no bias whatsoever in my argument.

my argument is and has been that the stats presented were dishonest. I would have the exact same point of view regardless of who the players are. I have no horse in the race.

1) Losing 4 games to injury doesn't count as a stat?????
2) Missing the end of last year because of a torn ACL doesn't count as a stat??????
3) 5 CONSECUTIVE YEARS of declining production doesn't count as a stat????
4) Turning 32 yrs old vs turning 23 years old doesn't count as a stat????

Do your homework on this better.

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[shmessy]

What are you talking about?
There is no bias whatsoever in my argument.

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.....other than a 2 game "recency bias".

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[Ring 6]

AWOL in 4 games. Useless, couldn't block in those games, couldn't be used as a depth, etc.

Where will the two players be in 2020, 2021, 2022???????

Why have the Patriots won 10+ games each season for 17 years straight now??????

Most of us here have seen the reason over almost decades.......You may learn.

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What does any of that have to do with the posters argument about statistical comparisons?

 

[venecol]

For Venecol, who evdiently posted a "Confused" emoji in response to the above, yes, I forgot, you are one of the unaware.

Here ya go, it's amazing what's happened over 20 years:

Another Signpost of the Greatest Dynasty in American Sports History




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Hahaha, I posted a confused emoji because you stated that people like me wanted the Patriots to be the Browns, and thus, was confused how in the world you arrived at such a brilliant deduction.

 

[shmessy]

Are you implying that the success of the franchise is proof positive of what your opinion is of why they have been successful and proof someone else’s opinion is wrong?
Damn this place is kinda whack.
One guy arguing 2+2=4 is statistically ignorant and another saying everything I think is right because the team wins.
My time here may be short.....

We'll miss you. You seem like a decent, but overly sensitive, person overall. Maybe the next team you root for, you can learn something about what makes them tick first.......

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[Ring 6]

Losing 4 games to injury doesn't count as a stat?????
Missing the end of last year because of a torn ACL doesn't count as a stat??????
5 years CONSECUTIVE declining pass receptions doesn't count as a stat????
Turning 32 yrs old vs turning 23 years old doesn't count as a stat????

Do your homework on this better.

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No, those things do not apply to an analysis of how they have performed in the opportunities they have had.
Not in the least.
I don’t know how many times I have to explain to you that this discussion has been about the dishonest stats and not at all about which player I would want.

I don’t need homework and certainly don’t need you to explain anything about the patriots to me.