Demaryius Thomas says he was insulted/disrespected by Patriots.

[PatsDeb]

Oh please...

 

[Tunescribe]

And this continues my theory of human nature that disrespectful people always complain about being disrespected.

Barstool Sports

The Patriots paid him a good chunk of money while he rehabbed, and it’s widely believed they traded with their most hated rivals for the first time in 20 years so he’d get to play for his old OC and be in a good situation. For those who haven’t picked up on it, I’ve thought lowly of this guy and made it known while he was here, as I think he’s a spoiled, pampered little douche with a fragile ego who plays soft. Good riddance...enjoy your time with the losers...a great organization where you can btch and moan. Good luck Monday night against Gilmore and co.

And he didn't help his situation any by developing a preventable hamstring injury that would have shelved him through the first few games regardless. BB was smart to at least get something for him.

 

[Ring 6]

So much for BB treats vets respectfully so they want to come play here.

Several of us thought DT got screwed. Now turns out Ben was released at $2.5M and re-signed a week latter at $1.5M which is another not so cool move (yes I get that its good for the team). Finally, Bennett was brought in knowing fully well what he brought and then demoted when something changed (again good for the team).

Veterans will probably think twice before agreeing to come to NEP in the future.

Why?
Football players understand you earn jobs and playing time, it’s not handed to you.

what would you have bb do differently with Thomas? Not keep him when he was needed? Or keep him when he wasnt?

 

[RunAmok]

I mean, too bad. WRs are the biggest babies on the planet.

Well, we did send him to the Jets. That's like going from a 3 star Michelin restaurant to crawling thru a dumpster in back of a Outback Steakhouse.

 

[catent]

From the article:

Unless BB was lying to Thomas, or unless Thomas was lying in his interview, this is pretty cut and dry to me. The decision to trade him at that point was specifically tied to Brown.

Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.

I'll admit that I just skimmed the headline and didn't bother to actually properly read the article.

That bums me out to hear. I don't say this often but it was a lapse in judgment from BB to trade DT that quickly. I would've shopped him around, got some tentative offers on the table, and then waited the extra week until Brown's guarantee was due and traded him at that point had Brown stayed in line (which he obviously did not).

That's too bad - he could've been used here recently.

 

[venecol]

Why?
Football players understand you earn jobs and playing time, it’s not handed to you.

what would you have bb do differently with Thomas? Not keep him when he was needed? Or keep him when he wasnt?

I would have kept DT and not signed AB, which is what DT was expecting.

Both DT and Ben paid for the AB fiasco. DT lost his spot, and he said he wanted to contribute. Ben took a $1M hair cut to make up for the $5M+ cap hit created by AB.

Patriots f%^ked up by signing AB and then prematurely releasing him, and the ripples it created. Just because we all support the team and want them to win, doesn't mean we can't be critical of some of their decisions. They do make mistakes.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.

I'll admit that I just skimmed the headline and didn't bother to actually properly read the article.

That bums me out to hear. I don't say this often but it was a lapse in judgment from BB to trade DT that quickly. I would've shopped him around, got some tentative offers on the table, and then waited the extra week until Brown's guarantee was due and traded him at that point had Brown stayed in line (which he obviously did not).

That's too bad - he could've been used here recently.

BB didn't have room on the roster for average WRs.

BB did have room for All-Pro caliber WRs.

Fans that lament over losing DT are wasting their time.

In case folks didn't know, if it meant upgrading the talent on the roster BB will sell his mother to do it.

 

[venecol]

BB didn't have room on the roster for average WRs.

BB did have room for All-Pro caliber WRs.

Fans that lament over losing DT are wasting their time.

In case folks didn't know, if it meant upgrading the talent on the roster BB will sell his mother to do it.

Lol so Meyers is an All Pro WR?
Is it too early to induct him in the Pats Hall of Fame?

I do agree with your last sentence.

 

[maust]

Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.

I'll admit that I just skimmed the headline and didn't bother to actually properly read the article.

Dude...it's from the DN, you should have known better

 

[Love The Drake]

I would have kept DT and not signed AB, which is what DT was expecting.

Both DT and Ben paid for the AB fiasco. DT lost his spot, and he said he wanted to contribute. Ben took a $1M hair cut to make up for the $5M+ cap hit created by AB.

Patriots f%^ked up by signing AB and then prematurely releasing him, and the ripples it created. Just because we all support the team and want them to win, doesn't mean we can't be critical of some of their decisions. They do make mistakes.

Well since nothing had come out about the civil assualt cases I don't think we can blame the Patriots.
They thought all he wanted was to pick his destination and Tom has never had a issue with a wide receiver being too much of a headcase.
Glenn is the closest and he was super mild compared to AB.
Plus throw in Tom and AB seemed to have respect and admiration and still do for each other.
It seemed like a great transaction.
Who knows maybe he's back late in season when if Goodell ever clears him.
Make no mistake he was released because Goodell got a call from an attorney who warped that AB was threatening her client and her children.
What he did was in extremely poor taste but I didn't see a threat there.
I'm sure Goodell told Kraft he is going to Hammer AB and Kraft thought why not release him save face with my issue and try to get out not paying him since I can't play him anyway.
So if someone could of predicted all that they should be hired as the team Psychic.
Only thing the Patriots are guilty of is not having clear out on the contract with a known headcase.

 

[venecol]

I must say, the headlines rolling out there do not match what he actually said. Obviously, click bait for MNF game.

 

[catent]

BB didn't have room on the roster for average WRs.

BB did have room for All-Pro caliber WRs.

Fans that lament over losing DT are wasting their time.

In case folks didn't know, if it meant upgrading the talent on the roster BB will sell his mother to do it.

That's a simplified, "in a vacuum" way of analyzing the situation.

Brown had known concerns coming in here. He had a bonus due ~2 weeks after signing his contract. It would seem natural to wait those 2 weeks, see how he behaves and fits in, and proceed from there.

Clearly BB felt there was a role for DT if Brown was not on the roster. So your claim "BB didn't have room on the roster for average WRs" is not true. DT did have a spot on the roster, until Brown was signed.

DT has 8 catches for 109 yards in his last two games. He absolutely fits on this roster as a top-3 WR along with Gordon (who has been largely 'meh') and Edelman. He'd be playing ahead of Meyers and Gunner.

I have zero issue with taking the long approach and banking on young players in Meyers and Gunner over DT.

I do have an issue with putting all your chips in the 'Brown basket' by trading away a player who otherwise would have a role on the team, 3 days after signing a known powder keg in Brown.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Well they strung Thomas along like he was going to be here for the long haul and then released him. IF he's finally coming around we could use his numbers. I wouldn't argue that he's better than the current Patriots #3 - 4 and 5. Not going lie but I envisioned big things for Thomas here as a possible #3. So him being upset is perfectly justified I would feel the same way. Seems like we were looking very strong at WR: now we are a injury away when it comes on to guys with Familiarity.

His contract structure could not be more clear.

No one else is willing to sign you right now with your risky injury. We will pay you a very nice amount of money while you rehab, and in return, here’s the team option terms on a one year deal. Basically every veteran that signs with the Patriots on a one year deal with an out in the contract in case they are cut, has the same risk. He is just the only one crying about it because he thinks he’s entitled due to his former glory. The guy is a douche. At least Brown plays hard and goes over the middle. DT is known for his alligator arms and generally being a sensitive snowflake.

 

[Oswlek]

Patriots f%^ked up by signing AB and then prematurely releasing him, and the ripples it created. Just because we all support the team and want them to win, doesn't mean we can't be critical of some of their decisions. They do make mistakes.

Sure, and signing AB was certainly one of them. What we don't need to do, however, is imagine mistakes were made when they weren't. Once the AB was signed, the other items are dominoes that had to fall. No more, no less.

As for Bennett, I don't see why his name would even be brought into the discussion. NE traded for him, gave him a raise and lucked into some other guys who allow them to do things that Bennett does not. You can't say trading for him was a mistake because he was acquired before the other pieces arrived. And you can't say it's a mistake to not play him now. So what's the problem?

 

[venecol]

He is just the only one crying about it because he thinks he’s entitled due to his former glory. The guy is a douche. At least Brown plays hard and goes over the middle. DT is known for his alligator arms and generally being a sensitive snowflake.

Ice, I'm please tell us how you really feel about DT.

 

[Love The Drake]

Ice, I'm please tell us how you really feel about DT.

Want to see Chung give him a good clean shot and he hears foot steps the rest of the game

 

[PatsFan2]

That's a simplified, "in a vacuum" way of analyzing the situation.

Brown had known concerns coming in here. He had a bonus due ~2 weeks after signing his contract. It would seem natural to wait those 2 weeks, see how he behaves and fits in, and proceed from there.

Clearly BB felt there was a role for DT if Brown was not on the roster. So your claim "BB didn't have room on the roster for average WRs" is not true. DT did have a spot on the roster, until Brown was signed.

DT has 8 catches for 109 yards in his last two games. He absolutely fits on this roster as a top-3 WR along with Gordon (who has been largely 'meh') and Edelman. He'd be playing ahead of Meyers and Gunner.

I have zero issue with taking the long approach and banking on young players in Meyers and Gunner over DT.

I do have an issue with putting all your chips in the 'Brown basket' by trading away a player who otherwise would have a role on the team 3 days after signing a known powder keg in Brown.

Homers read post above^ well said dreighver. Of-course the BB make no mistakes homers will find a way to spin it.

 

[maust]

Just because we all support the team and want them to win, doesn't mean we can't be critical of some of their decisions. They do make mistakes.

 

[venecol]

Sure, and signing AB was certainly one of them. What we don't need to do, however, is imagine mistakes were made when they weren't. Once the AB was signed, the other items are dominoes that had to fall. No more, no less.

As for Bennett, I don't see why his name would even be brought into the discussion. NE traded for him, gave him a raise and lucked into some other guys who allow them to do things that Bennett does not. You can't say trading for him was a mistake because he was acquired before the other pieces arrived. And you can't say it's a mistake to not play him now. So what's the problem?

Never said hiring Bennett was a mistake. Not playing him is obviously not a good thing. If things changed (it happens) and they don't want to play him, then trade him. Guy still has a lot to offer, let him play somewhere else.

What we can say is this was not very good planning. These guys are supposed to be experts, they pick up pieces based on known qualities, and based on how those qualities can be applied to the game plan or overall defensive philosophy. They obviously miscalculated somewhere.

Let's no kid ourselves, as good as they are. these guys make mistakes. Even BB admitted at one time he didn't use Chung properly the first time around.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

I disagree. We have 3 examples (really 4) of good talented proven vets in their 30s just this year going through the Patriots way of doing business, which could be viewed "by other players" (not fans, not team officials, not you) as being i) disrespectful or ii) not being able to trust what they say, in other words not worth it if there are other offers out there.

I understand there are no guarantees, but I'm talking about the view of things, and there is an obvious and apparent pattern.

But it's a business.
That's why they win.

All the parts must fit.
There are only so many spots to fit players in. It's a harsh business, but it is a business