Antonio Brown

[TN patriot fan]

Its examples like this of why I didn't want the Pats to sign AB. You know he's not a great guy and now he's on our team where it just sours things having to root for a guy and have these kinds of stories coming out when we're trying to enjoy a football season

Although if he helps us win a SB I'm sure I'll get over it

I would bet any amount of money that there's not a single player on the team right now that is looking at AB in this way. I can just about guarantee that, while they don't by any means see him as perfect, they're also not passing judgment on him completely apart from facts or evidence; they're probably just treating him the way they would want to be treated themselves.

 

[TN patriot fan]

It’s sad that some people are willing to shift their moral compass because of a sports team they root for. You are not on the team, employed by the team, nor do they care about you in the same way you care about the team.

The team, and it’s players and coaches should be held to the same standard everyone else is held to.

That’s not to say we should convict someone in the court of public opinion without seeking additional evidence and proof. However, to dismiss all the incidents as smear jobs and money grabs just because you root for the team the player is on is really giving the team and player a pass.

How many players have been booted from the NFL for unpaid debts? Can you name even one? You probably have at least a couple of close friends or family members with unpaid debts; I suppose you're okay with them being fired from their jobs since you're calling for that for AB?

What kind of twisted standard is it that convicts someone just based on the whims of public opinion, completely apart from fact? If AB were your son, and a woman came forward with accusations against your son identical to the ones levied by Taylor now against AB, would you still self-righteously refer to these actions as though somehow they had the slightest bit of credibility, or would you point to the absurdly obvious and gaping holes in her credibility, not the least of which is the fact she traveled hundreds of miles multiple times to associate with him after the supposed first assault?

You're making up your own standard, one I would wager a lot of money you wouldn't want to be held to yourself. Unless you have lived a perfect life, get the log out of your eye before you reach for the speck in someone else's.

 

[TB_Helmet]

What line do you suggest we draw now that we're going to start putting players on the exempt list or cutting them simply for being unsavory characters? I suppose you would have kicked Michael Jordan off the Bulls because he had a gambling problem and punched teammates in the face? Brett Favre sent pictures of his junk to a woman other than his wife - I suppose you would have retired him a few years early? Kobe Bryant was accused of worse than what AB is accused of right now, years before he won his fourth and fifth championships; I suppose you would have saved us all from having to suffer through watching such an evil man get to continue to live his life as though he were allowed second chances like the rest of us?

How many times would an athlete get to slip up from being a perfect human under your reign, oh righteous one? One mean look at his girlfriend? Or maybe two mean looks and an actual thrown piece of furniture?

Some of you people would be right at home in China. Their system of justice aligns well with your worldview.

I can’t believe you just wrote all that out. Relax dude. I thought you and I agreed hours ago. I guess you forgot, but I obviously never said any of that stuff warranted cutting AB. I was making fun of the guy who said that the SI article was all made up because people were looking for a payday.

 

[TN patriot fan]

I can’t believe you just wrote all that out. Relax dude. I thought you and I agreed hours ago. I guess you forgot, but I obviously never said any of that stuff warranted cutting AB. I was making fun of the guy who said that the SI article was all made up because people were looking for a payday.

I agree that we agreed at some point. It's clear that some on here have taken the stance that he should be cut; it just seemed to me you were stating as much. Sorry if I misread you.

 

[karguy85]

How many players have been booted from the NFL for unpaid debts? Can you name even one? You probably have at least a couple of close friends or family members with unpaid debts; I suppose you're okay with them being fired from their jobs since you're calling for that for AB?

What kind of twisted standard is it that convicts someone just based on the whims of public opinion, completely apart from fact? If AB were your son, and a woman came forward with accusations against your son identical to the ones levied by Taylor now against AB, would you still self-righteously refer to these actions as though somehow they had the slightest bit of credibility, or would you point to the absurdly obvious and gaping holes in her credibility, not the least of which is the fact she traveled hundreds of miles multiple times to associate with him after the supposed first assault?

You're making up your own standard, one I would wager a lot of money you wouldn't want to be held to yourself. Unless you have lived a perfect life, get the log out of your eye before you reach for the speck in someone else's.

Save me your faux outrage. I have said numerous times that we should take a wait and see approach. But looking at the reality that there are numerous instances being reported cannot be ignored (all together they paint a disturbing picture that SHOULD be looked into). What the outcome is, neither I nor you knows. So stop pretending like you do. And please don’t put words in my mouth. It’s disingenuous.

You’re making judgements based on what you want me to have said not what I actually said.

Reading comprehension is very important. Sadly, many on this board do not have sufficient amounts of it.

Edit: yes I would hold myself to the standard I have stated here. The fact that you wouldn’t says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Additionally, the people that immediately convict him and those that immediately say it’s a smear job are the same. You’re just two sides of the same coin. As I’ve been saying all along, wait until it plays out. Making a snap judgment based on the little you actually know sitting on your couch is unfair, no matter which way you lean. But having concern about everything that has come out is acceptable.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Save me your faux outrage. I have said numerous times that we should take a wait and see approach. But looking at the reality that there are numerous instances being reported cannot be ignored (all together they paint a disturbing picture that SHOULD be looked into). What the outcome is, neither I nor you knows. So stop pretending like you do. And please don’t put words in my mouth. It’s disingenuous.

You’re making judgements based on what you want me to have said not what I actually said.

Reading comprehension is very important. Sadly, many on this board do not have sufficient amounts of it.

Edit: yes I would hold myself to the standard I have stated here. The fact that you wouldn’t says a lot more about you than it does about me.

There has definitely been a serious lack of reading comprehension around here this week, as well as ‘putting words in mouths’.

 

[venecol]

I’ve got a lot of money riding on the Pats winning the AFC championship. I’m a person or syndicate with the means to get people to say what we tell them. Enrich them if they do; make them disappear if they don’t, As we speak, I’ve lined up 3 woman to come forward to say Pat Mahomes was sexually inappropriate towards them. One of them will file a civil lawsuit for damages for sexual assault on the eve of the playoffs. The other two will come forward with their stories soon after.

This is an imaginary and exaggerated example of the slippery slope the NFL is facing here, and why they should get out of the personal conduct business.

That was scary, until I saw this was imaginary. Does this really happen in real life? Please don't break my legs.

 

[karguy85]

There has definitely been a serious lack of reading comprehension around here this week, as well as ‘putting words in mouths’.

People on this forum are getting so defensive that any perceived concern about Brown’s possible actions is seen as a conviction. You can be concerned and still wait for the situation to play out. It’s not inconsistent at all.

 

[TN patriot fan]

Save me your faux outrage. I have said numerous times that we should take a wait and see approach. But looking at the reality that there are numerous instances being reported cannot be ignored (all together they paint a disturbing picture that SHOULD be looked into). What the outcome is, neither I nor you knows. So stop pretending like you do. And please don’t put words in my mouth. It’s disingenuous.

You’re making judgements based on what you want me to have said not what I actually said.

Reading comprehension is very important. Sadly, many on this board do not have sufficient amounts of it.

Edit: yes I would hold myself to the standard I have stated here. The fact that you wouldn’t says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Additionally, the people that immediately convict him and those that immediately say it’s a smear job are the same. You’re just two sides of the same coin. As I’ve been saying all along, wait until it plays out. Making a snap judgment based on the little you actually know sitting on your couch is unfair, no matter which way you lean. But having concern about everything that has come out is acceptable.

If you're going to throw out the sophomoric catch phrase about reading comprehension, maybe you should take the time to actually read what I wrote. You either didn't, or you purposely chose to avoid the central question, which I'll pose again, and which I have no doubt you'll once again dodge since it clearly reveals the absurdity of your post that I replied to: how many NFL players can you list that have been booted from the league for unpaid debts?

Now I'll repeat the companion observation to the question, which you also didn't respond to: I'd wager a lot of money that you have close friends, probably even family members somewhere on your tree, that have unpaid debts. Unless you're willing to have all of those people lose their jobs, it's not reasonable to imply that AB should lose his for his unpaid debts. And you most certainly implied as much when you said that dismissing all of the incidents indicated a lack of a moral compass - the only implication that can be taken from this is that someone with a good moral compass would want AB cut or exempted because of said incidents - the majority of which are simply unpaid debts. You specifically stated, "all the incidents," as though the sum of them together warrant cutting him now - though, if by chance he didn't actually assault Taylor and it's just a money grab, you just ruined someone's life because of a few unpaid debts conflated with false allegations.

In an ideal world, would he be held accountable by the justice system for said debts? Absolutely. Does that have anything at all to do with whether he should be allowed to play football? It does not.

Even if you had been merely implying that he be booted because of the unsubstantiated allegations rather than the unpaid debts, which is not what you did, it's the very definition of self-righteous to suggest that someone have his life ruined over allegations before anything has been tried in court.

Your moral compass is really just a kangaroo court.

 

[karguy85]

If you're going to throw out the sophomoric catch phrase about reading comprehension, maybe you should take the time to actually read what I wrote. You either didn't or purposely chose to avoid the central question, which I'll pose again, and which I have no doubt you'll once again dodge since it clearly reveals the absurdity of your post that I replied to: how many NFL players can you list that have been booted from the league for unpaid debts?

Now I'll repeat the companion observation to the question, which you also didn't respond to: I'd wager a lot of money that you have close friends, probably even family members somewhere on your tree, that have unpaid debts. Unless you're willing to have all of those people lose their jobs, it's not reasonable to imply that AB should lose his for his unpaid debts.

In an ideal world, would he be held accountable by the justice system for said debts? Absolutely. Does that have anything at all to do with whether he should be allowed to play football? It does not.

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Tell me once where I said Brown should be booted from the NFL for unpaid debts? Plus, I am not only discussing his instances of unpaid debts. There are are a lot more allegations than that. The fact that you’re focusing just on that, means you are purposely avoiding the most problematic allegations to prove a point. Not worth arguing with someone as disingenuous as you. Have a great night.

 

[venecol]

Enough of the blah blah blah. Does anyone have any real news? Tweets on NFL interview with so-called trainer? Is it me or does Brown & Taylor sound like a law firm?

 

[TB_Helmet]

Enough of the blah blah blah. Does anyone have any real news? Tweets on NFL interview with so-called trainer? Is it me or does Brown & Taylor sound like a law firm?

Sounds like a second rate clothing company.

 

[Hyped]

Enough of the blah blah blah. Does anyone have any real news? Tweets on NFL interview with so-called trainer? Is it me or does Brown & Taylor sound like a law firm?

There surprisingly has been no news since Taylor was supposed to meet with Goodell today.....

Am sure we will hear something before long.....tomorrow is the league-wide players off day...the media will be digging around for sure....

 

[Vindicate]

Everyone in this thread:

"You must've not read what I said. What I said is my thoughts. Your thought of how I said my thoughts is a wrong thought. Reread my words."

Pepper in some nails-on-chalkboard side comments about what is misconduct, and you got the last 19 pages of this thread!

 

[TB_Helmet]

Everyone in this thread:

"You must've not read what I said. What I said is my thoughts. Your thought of how I said my thoughts is a wrong thought. Reread my words."

Pepper in some nails-on-chalkboard side comments about what is misconduct, and you got the last 19 pages of this thread!

That’s what you got out of this whole thing? Your reading comprehension must not be that good

 

[TN patriot fan]

Tell me once where I said Brown should be booted from the NFL for unpaid debts? Plus, I am not only discussing his instances of unpaid debts. There are are a lot more allegations than that. The fact that you’re focusing just on that, means you are purposely avoiding the most problematic allegations to prove a point. Not worth arguing with someone as disingenuous as you. Have a great night.

Which allegations are problematic? The one by the woman who traveled hundreds of miles multiple times after the first supposed assault to associate with him again, including going clubbing with him? Or perhaps you mean the allegations of him talking with someone, in his own house, while clothed with more than what players routinely have on while female reporters talk to them in locker rooms? And from what has been reported, talking in a distinctly non-criminal manner.

Or maybe you meant throwing furniture off a balcony? I suppose in your world that's on the same level as breaking a child's arm or threatening said child's mother? You know, two recent allegations that weren't just allegations since there was some actual proof, but yet nothing was done by the same league that, because it hasn't punished AB without proof, has you so scandalized.

 

[ausbacker]

I would bet any amount of money that there's not a single player on the team right now that is looking at AB in this way. I can just about guarantee that, while they don't by any means see him as perfect, they're also not passing judgment on him completely apart from facts or evidence; they're probably just treating him the way they would want to be treated themselves.

Disregarding what one thinks of Brown, one of the peculiarities of situations as such is people like talking about walking a mile in another man's shoes but rarely, do they look back over their lives and wonder, if I was put under the social media and fake news narrative loving media spotlight, how would I be presented or the things I thought were innocuous, which of them will start being dredged up?

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Just to state it again, these distractions are getting to not be worth the immense talent that is Antonio Brown. In other words, regrettably...

Cut the beast...

And then trade for Trent Williams with the rest of the salary cap money since Brown acted in a manner detrimental to the team.

 

[loosebearing]

I felt "dirty" watching the Patriots game ...
I'm concerned about what message the Patriots are sending ...
When did the Patriots know ...

People get all righteous and concerned and boisterous about accusations they want to believe and not wait for the truth.

uh ... Jussie Smollett

 

[supafly]

Cut the beast...

And then trade for Trent Williams with the rest of the salary cap money since Brown acted in a manner detrimental to the team.

Brown isn’t adding any money back to the salary cap if he is cut. As a matter of fact, I believe that he’ll count for about 4m or so in 2020, as well.