Antonio Brown

[PatsWSB47]

Not surprising news. We already knew they were meeting with her next week.

NFL: "Please tell us in your own words when this scumbag Patriots millionaire we're going to suspend first raped you"

 

[FCB02062]

The biggest hunk of BS spewed by local media is "they didn't NEED Antonio Brown"....well, when one of your top 2 receivers is one positive piss test from being gone, well, yes, you do NEED a guy like Brown.

 

[PlanB]

patfanken, can you please do an "idle thoughts" every 20 pages or so . I'd like to know if anything of importance has happened and not have to dredge through the muck that this thread has become. thx

 

[BadMoFo]

Great, I'm not going to waste my life reading all 100 pages of this. You can if you want...

No need for me to read all those pages. I remember those videos when they were posted here this morning and none of the sports media has batted an eye about them.

 

[Patjew]

She does realize that she’s assuming Brown is lying then? Several people merely pointed out we should wait to see how it unfolds since both sides have different stories.

What a psycho.

Speaking as someone who is as progressive as they come, she is just the absolute worst. So narrow minded and thin-skinned.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, probably. At the very least it raises questions about her credibility.

But the crux of the issue is whether or not Brown assaulted/raped her, and I'm not sure those videos alone give us a definitive answer to that question. It's certainly a (potentially big) piece of the puzzle.

It'll be interesting to see additional evidence.

But there won’t be a definitive answer. It’s going to be which side do you believe so credibility and accuracy of the story is the whole ball game.

 

[MoreBellhorn]

patfanken, can you please do an "idle thoughts" every 20 pages or so . I'd like to know if anything of importance has happened and not have to dredge through the muck that this thread has become. thx

Yea, because you’re above it all, man. Shut up, you ass.

 

[catent]

It's astonishing that the right to the presumption of innocence is disregarded by so many. The people that hold these opinions don't quite understand one day, it may be them in the firing line and if we go by their standards, guilt must be implied.

I think what a lot of people are fighting for is to not have these claims dismissed or undermined with quips like, "why did you take so long to come forward? she just wants money!" and other questions intended to undermine the accuser.

That's not to say we automatically assume the guilt of the accused. The accused should always get a legitimate trial, where innocent until proven guilty is the standard. But we should take the accusers accusations seriously until all the evidence is presented. I think that's a fair request; these people want to be heard and not dismissed.

I find it interesting that when someone claims they were abused as a child, especially by a religious figure, we entirely take them at their word until proven otherwise. That's what folks are fighting for, IMO.

But I agree that we have to be very careful about tarnishing reputations, and certainly some people take it too far and behave in a way towards the accused that's unfair and unjust.

People who make false accusations are doing massive amounts of irreparable damage to both the accused and to actual victims.

 

[supafly]

Come on Sup, let's stop taking these shots and stick to the subject.

I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to rain on your parade.

 

[Patjew]

I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to rain on your parade.

I ****ing hate parades. Most overrated “fun” thing in the world IMO.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Just should give AB two games for being involved in a possible rape, one for helmet gate, and one for the bleached mustache and call it a day.

Awaiting my job offer from park avenue.

If you want to work on park avenue, I'd say four games for the bleached mustache, a fine for the helmet controversy, and a public apology for the rape involving thoughts and prayers for the victim.

 

[Ring 6]

Speaking as someone who is as progressive as they come, she is just the absolute worst. So narrow minded and thin-skinned.

In her defense there are worse things to be. She is blinded by her cause, but her cause, standing up for abused women is an honorable one.
Many people have as narrow minded views without even having an honorable cause behind it.
In other words she is wrong, her intentions are good and she just doesn’t get the unintended consequences she creates and that’s better than willfully stubborn ignorance.

 

[Patjew]

Yea, because you’re above it all, man. Shut up, you ass.

Your username is awesome!

 

[Deus Irae]

I think what a lot of people are fighting for is to not have these claims dismissed or undermined with quips like, "why did you take so long to come forward? she just wants money!" and other questions intended to undermine the accuser.

See, here's where we have the problem of agenda. Undermined? Those are legitimate questions/issues.

 

[Patjew]

In her defense there are worse things to be. She is blinded by her cause, but her cause, standing up for abused women is an honorable one.
Many people have as narrow minded views without even having an honorable cause behind it.
In other words she is wrong, her intentions are good and she just doesn’t get the unintended consequences she creates and that’s better than willfully stubborn ignorance.

My comment was more of a general one. She’s like this with everything she writes. Windmills and the like.

 

[ausbacker]

I think what a lot of people are fighting for is to not have these claims dismissed or undermined with quips like, "why did you take so long to come forward? she just wants money!" and other questions intended to undermine the accuser.

That's not to say we automatically assume the guilt of the accused. The accused should always get a legitimate trial, where innocent until proven guilty is the standard. But we should take the accusers accusations seriously until all the evidence is presented. I think that's a fair request; these people want to be heard and not dismissed.

I find it interesting that when someone claims they were abused as a child, especially by a religious figure, we entirely take them at their word until proven otherwise. That's what folks are fighting for, IMO.

But I agree that we have to be very careful about tarnishing reputations, and certainly some people take it too far and behave in a way towards the accused that's unfair and unjust.

People who make false accusations are doing massive amounts of irreparable damage to the accused and to actual victims.

Indeed, it's a delicate subject and one which should be handled accordingly (FWIW, I agree with everything you'd said) but regarding SMY, she was blatantly disregarding someone who made a simple point: presumption of innocence and wait for the facts to come about.

 

[sarge]

People who make false accusations are doing massive amounts of irreparable damage to the accused and to actual victims.

I agree with your entire post but wanted to highlight that last line, because I think it is something that is so brushed aside in our society.

I wish knowingly making a false accusation carried with it serious criminal punishment. But I also know doing so could scare legitimate grievances from being made public. So I don't have an answer other then to simply say it sucks.

But if in the end it turns out he is innocent, regardless of how creepy the dude seems to be, he didn't deserve this and the damage she will have done will have been irreparable.

 

[Joker]

Your username is awesome!

well.it's OK but I much prefer MoreRinghonk instead...

 

[Ring 6]

My comment was more of a general one. She’s like this with everything she writes. Windmills and the like.

Gotcha. I’m not really familiar with her and was talking just about her posts on this topic.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Speaking as someone who is as progressive as they come, she is just the absolute worst. So narrow minded and thin-skinned.

As I understand it, the victim has/had a few options.

1. File a criminal suit, whereby she would be not be identified by name in the media, nor would she be allowed to be badgered about her sex life on the witness stand. Rape Shield Laws apply.

2. File a civil suit seeking a payment, whereby she is not afforded those protections.

3. File a criminal suit first, and if it doesn’t go anywhere due to the time lapse, then file a civil suit, whereby she can claim she tried to pursue justice but the bar was higher.

4. File a criminal suit first, and if it does turn into a conviction, follow-up with a civil suit.

So SMY’s rather idiotic ravings about the victim having no options, while we should presume she is truthful while Brown is a liar and rapist, are totally egregious. That’s before we even get into the actual facts which show she followed him around after each incident and then asked him for 1.5M, and total oddity that she would file this immediately before her wedding and then expect there won’t be a ****storm.