Well it's official: Tom Brady, #1 Quarterback in NFL History

[sean10mm]

Manning isn't even the greatest QB to have a Colts logo on his helmet. Unitas wasn't an HGH cheat who needed the passing rules changed because his team's owner cried to the competition committee. He retired the #1 passer of his era too, but he had more championships.

 

[Uptown]

Jordan would’ve demanded $100,023

 

[Doublebase]

A biased comparison, but very thorough...long but probably the most detailed thing I've seen in the Brady vs Montana "debate" (personally I think there's no debate, Brady passed Joe long ago).

 

[patsfan13]

Jordan would’ve demanded $100,023

Guess you never saw Russel actually, you know PLAY.
Russell is the BB version of Tom Brady with world class athletic
talent.

 

[signbabybrady]

Are we talking football or basketball here? Doesn’t matter. Brady is the basketball goat too. He has missed zero shots in his career!

There is no debate in football so Hoops took over.

 

[Uptown]

Michael Jordan didn't have much success until Bird was gone and he would have had even less against Russell.

Not true. MJ didn’t have much success until 1989 when he & Phil Jackson figured out he couldn’t do everything (trying to average a million points per game) by himself. He learned that he had to trust his teammates & condition himself better if he wanted to win. Then Pippen finally developed around that time (Came into the NBA in ‘87) & the rest is history. Also, if you go back and do your research, Pippen randomly had a severe migraine right before Game 7 of the 1990 ECF against the Bad Boy Pistons. Obviously, I cannot definitely say that Chicago would've won that game, but it’s certainly feasible with the way DET played during that series. Chicago mentally/physically had them beat! I’m a basketball historian. Many of you guys are honestly just bias because certain players played during your era & you’re fans of them. I’ve seen both players play & certainly respect the hell out of Russell, but the competition was in fact better during the 80s-2000s; there’s just no way around that. Every team BEFORE AND DURING the Finals that MJ/Bulls defeated were full of HOF players. Lakers, Bad Boy Pistons, Heat, Magic (Shaq/Penny/Grant), Cavs, Portland, Suns, Sonics (excellent squad who really could’ve beaten CHI), 90s Knicks, Hawks, Spurs, Rockets, Pacers, Hornets were all VERY good teams back then. Every team CHI faced in the NBA Finals ALONE were better than the teams Russell faced. AND there wasn’t a THREE POINT LINE. Again, like I said Jordan DOMINATED in an era with the best collection of big men the league has ever seen, so what makes you think that he wouldn’t dunk all over Bill Russell who was all of 6’10 220lbs?!?!?

STOP IT.



This Day in NBA Playoffs History: Scottie Pippen Gives the Bulls Migraines in Game 7 of the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals Against the Detroit Pistons

 

[Uptown]

Guess you never saw Russel actually, you know PLAY.
Russell is the BB version of Tom Brady with world class athletic
talent.

Bruh, never assume what you think I have or haven’t seen. I know the game! Again, I already gave MAJOR RESPECT to Russell multiple times. He’s definitely in my top 3 along with MJ & Kareem (although my personal favorite big man of all time is Olajuwon for multiple reasons), but MJ is the only “little guy” (relatively speaking) who dominated in the land of giants WITHOUT HIS OWN DOMINANT BIG MAN, changed the game internationally, kept other HOF players/teams from winning rings in a far more competitive league (80s-90s-00s were/are FAR more advanced than the 50s-60s) & went 72-10 with THAT ‘95-‘96 roster!! Plus, he’s one of (if not the only player ever) to win DPY AND THE SCORING TITLE IN THE SAME SEASON. And 9x All-DEF!! AT 6’6! In the 80s-90s era. Playing ALL 82 + games!!!Do you know how impressive that is??!?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Jordan often gets credit for this (He also changed the game in that he became the first guard that DOMINATED the league in a time when it was damn near impossible to win a championship without a dominant big man WHILE HE HIMSELF did not have a dominant big man. EVER. ) but it simply isn't true. Isiah was a guard that led his team to championships before Jordan & beat Jordan while doing it, I'd actually say he could be said as the 1st guard to dominate the league without a great big man seeing as he made 3 straight Finals. Also the Finals immediately before Jordan's 1st Finals was played by 2 guard led teams in Portland & Detroit.

Jordan has such mythology that everything starts to blend together & he is often credited with things that aren't true.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I don’t think so. Montana was regarded as the GOAT for 20+ years after his retirement and would have remained there if it weren’t for Brady. Unless there’s massive expansion, like the NFL having 64 teams across the globe, Brady is the GOAT unless someone wins a heck of a lot championships. Brady’s stats will one day look unimpressive, just as every generation is statistically outdone by the next one one, but 30 playoff wins, nine conference championships, and six Super Bowls....safe to say someone would need to have a nearly impossibly good career to surpass him.

Brady's accomplishments and records are like Russell's, and likewise accurately reflect the fact that he's the best.

What the two have in common: Less than spectacular athleticism or conventional physical ability, extraordinary character, unselfish team orientation, unmatched determination and commitment to their sport, a healthy awareness and perspective on where playing a game stands in the grand scheme of things, and a good, strong sense of humor.

I've heard plenty of stories about times when they were in a less than good mood, and you didn't want to be around them. That's just normal and human.

Anyway, Russell and his achievements have been savagely denigrated and dismissed over the last forty years, in an attempt to diminish them and pump up hyperbole about contemporary stars.

I see no reason whatsoever that the same will not happen with Tom.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Most certainly Kareem Abdul-Jabar, who I think belongs with Russell and Jordan in the GOAT discussion.

6X champion
6x MVP
19x (!) all-star

Not that all-star appearances should decide the debate, but consider his greatness over such a long period. First championship was 1971; last one was 1988!

"Hey man, all those numbers are starting to give me a headache...I'm gonna toke me one, and then I need to get some goggles, 'cause I'm sick of guys poking their finger in my eyes. I mean, I don't know where that finger's been!"

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Michael Jordan didn't have much success until Bird was gone and he would have had even less against Russell.

MJ would have been JAG in the sixties.

Credit MJ for taking advantage of his opportunities, including help from 80's level medical treatment, encouragement and direction from Phil Jackson, and personal determination. He's a great player.

Connie Hawkins was better.

 

[Bruins29]

MJ would have been JAG in the sixties.

You are an embarrassment

 

[Uptown]

...Nothing you say is to be taken seriously from here on out (if it already wasn’t). Jordan would’ve averaged SIXTY in the SIXTIES!!! Maybe even 70 after reading your nonsense! Smdh.

MJ would have been JAG in the sixties.

Credit MJ for taking advantage of his opportunities, including help from 80's level medical treatment, encouragement and direction from Phil Jackson, and personal determination. He's a great player.

Connie Hawkins was better.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Brady's accomplishments and records are like Russell's, and likewise accurately reflect the fact that he's the best.

What the two have in common: Less than spectacular athleticism or conventional physical ability, extraordinary character, unselfish team orientation, unmatched determination and commitment to their sport, a healthy awareness and perspective on where playing a game stands in the grand scheme of things, and a good, strong sense of humor.

I've heard plenty of stories about times when they were in a less than good mood, and you didn't want to be around them. That's just normal and human.

Anyway, Russell and his achievements have been savagely denigrated and dismissed over the last forty years, in an attempt to diminish them and pump up hyperbole about contemporary stars.

I see no reason whatsoever that the same will not happen with Tom.

Sure, you’ll get tons of so-and-so playing right now is The GOAT! That will continue to happen as it always has. The media annointing the next guy because he has a superior passer rating and “isn’t like anything we’ve seen before!” will continue to happen, but those are always temporary overreactions (they’ve said it about Rodgers, Favre, Young, Manning, etc and will probably be up Mahomes @ss in a few years.). But the cold water hits them in the face and they sober up as soon as someone else shows up who is now more gifted and efficient (kind of like how Rodgers GOAT conversation died when Mahomes emerged last year.). The difference is Brady (like Montana) will remain atop the mountain, or always remain #2 temporarily before returning quickly to the top because accomplishments, mainly championships, have real staying power.

Long story short: Brady is going nowhere from GOAT status, other than prisoner of the moment overreactions that quickly fizzle out.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Sure, you’ll get tons of so-and-so playing right now is The GOAT! That will continue to happen as it always has. The media annointing the next guy because he has a superior passer rating and “isn’t like anything we’ve seen before!” will continue to happen, but those are always temporary overreactions (they’ve said it about Rodgers, Favre, Young, Manning, etc and will probably be up Mahomes @ss in a few years.). But the cold water hits them in the face and they sober up as soon as someone else shows up who is now more gifted and efficient (kind of like how Rodgers GOAT conversation died when Mahomes emerged last year.). The difference is Brady (like Montana) will remain atop the mountain, or always remain #2 temporarily before returning quickly to the top because accomplishments, mainly championships, have real staying power.

Long story short: Brady is going nowhere from GOAT status, other than prisoner of the moment overreactions that quickly fizzle out.

Same with Russ.

I guess we do have to give credit to their coaches too.

Auerbach & Belichick are right up there at the top.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Same with Russ.

I guess we do have to give credit to their coaches too.

Auerbach & Belichick are right up there at the top.

Agree. Dynasty head coaches and QBs have almost always come without one discrediting the other. Brown-Graham, Lombardi-Starr, Walsh-Montana, Belichick-Brady. No reason why they can’t both be the greatest at what they do. It’s the coach’s job to get the best out of player; it’s the player’s job to execute and win. Only silly Brady haters out there would actually try to make such an inane argument.

 

[Bruins29]

...Nothing you say is to be taken seriously from here on out (if it already wasn’t). Jordan would’ve averaged SIXTY in the SIXTIES!!! Smdh.

Its the same crap with this guy. He is a mental midget. All he writes on here is about the past players. That is all he talks about. """ Russ Francis was the best TE ever. The Pats Elvis logo is for losers and Pat Patriot is the winner, Jim Plunkett was more talented than Tom Brady"""

Blah blah blah... It makes this place look juvenile.

"Jordan would be a JAG in the sixties????" Really???? I am amazed someone this stupid can operate a computer.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Its the same crap with this guy. He is a mental midget. All he writes on here is about the past players. That is all he talks about. """ Russ Francis was the best TE ever. The Pats Elvis logo is for losers and Pat Patriot is the winner, Jim Plunkett was more talented than Tom Brady"""

Blah blah blah... It makes this place look juvenile.

"Jordan would be a JAG in the sixties????" Really???? I am amazed someone this stupid can operate a computer.

What does JAG mean anyway? I see the term often.

 

[TruthSeeker]

What does JAG mean anyway? I see the term often.

Just A Guy

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Just A Guy

So, basically a nobody?