2019 Mock Drafts

[patfanken]

6. You’ll be pleased to know that the latest idea I’m working on is Miles Boykin (64) and Andy Isabella (73). Still offense heavy though I’m afraid. With the need at WR and TE and the interest shown in RTs, I just think this will be a majority offense draft on the first two days. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s where the breadcrumbs lead.

Interesting. I guess this kind of discussion is what makes predicting the draft so much fun.

I have NO doubt that when the draft ends we will have at least one TE, WR, and OT on the team. The question is when we pick them.

I would LOVE to see Boykin and Isabella though ideally I rather pick up Isabella with one of the 3rd round comps.

Now I have some questions:

Why "lukewarm" on Tillery? I started focusing in on him as soon as I heard the Seymour comparisons. Smart kid, almost too smart maybe. But he sounds like a 3 down player. BTW- One of the reason I really like Lawrence is his rush POTENTIAL. I'd love to see him drop 20 lbs and see him then.

Who is your TE target? If you had YOUR choice of Warring, Knox, Sternberger, Oliver, who would you pick and where? I think Hockenson and Fant will be long gone, and Smith is an HB type not at true TE, and I'm not drafting that position in the first round.

 

[manxman2601]

That is the problem, isn't it? Question marks about all of them, but I think Zach Allen has the widest array of positives for the Patriots to work with.

I’m coming round on Winovich at the moment as a linebacker/sub rusher. I could live with both at 32. Perhaps not optimal but at least I’d be reassured that we have something pretty good in place long-term.

The one thing I will say, the only picks at 32 that would disappoint me would be QB or CB. Irv Smith would leave me flat but satisfied. Parris Campbell would concern me. Aside from that, I do like the options available.

 

[manxman2601]

Interesting. I guess this kind of discussion is what makes predicting the draft so much fun.

I have NO doubt that when the draft ends we will have at least one TE, WR, and OT on the team. The question is when we pick them.

I would LOVE to see Boykin and Isabella though ideally I rather pick up Isabella with one of the 3rd round comps.

Now I have some questions:

Why "lukewarm" on Tillery? I started focusing in on him as soon as I heard the Seymour comparisons. Smart kid, almost too smart maybe. But he sounds like a 3 down player. BTW- One of the reason I really like Lawrence is his rush POTENTIAL. I'd love to see him drop 20 lbs and see him then.

Who is your TE target? If you had YOUR choice of Warring, Knox, Sternberger, Oliver, who would you pick and where? I think Hockenson and Fant will be long gone, and Smith is an HB type not at true TE, and I'm not drafting that position in the first round.

Tillery doesn’t feel very Patriot-y to me and I think he’s a bit hit or miss. I could live with the pick but he’s fairly low on my list of priorities at 32. I like Knox’s upside/value combination. His athleticism isn’t too far off Noah Fant’s and he’s a legitimate future Y TE candidate. I could get very comfortable with Sternberger and Oliver who are both quality receiving TEs with some potential to improve as blockers. Warring scares me too much to seriously consider him. I could get comfortable with Irv too, although preferably at 56/64). At least the floor is high.

Zach Allen is one of my favourite guys. Doesn’t provide a whole lot of pass rush but he’s just so solid and versatile. He’s an ideal Flowers replacement. Chase Winovich is a fast riser for me - he’d be a better Derek Rivers and could be a Nink type on this defense. If we don’t go offense at 32, I’d consider both. Simmons/Lawrence and Winovich really appeals.

 

[patfanken]

Ah, glad you asked! It was Brandin Cooks, just two years ago. And that points to a reason it seems like they don't spend draft capital on WRs: because we run our mind back over drafted players, forgetting trades of premium picks for veterans. The only 1st & 2nd-round picks they've ever traded for players were for receivers, which hardly sounds like de-prioritizing the position.

It's obviously fine to argue against drafting 1st-round WRs. I think there's a solid case to be made for that, because WR is a particularly hard position to project from college to the NFL. But the suggestion that the Patriots have deliberately withheld resources from the position, in the draft or free agency, just isn't borne out. They've spent--or attempted to spend--a normal amount of resources, but often come up empty.

I think it is REALLY a stretch to say we used a first round pick on a WR....even though we technically did, Here's why. Cooks wasn't some rookie WR. We used that first round pick to acquire a WR who had 3 years under his belt including TWO thousand yard seasons. That is a FAR cry from drafting someone out of college. Nice try though.

Now I agree about the Pats method of acquiring "veterans" at the position. For every failure to develop their OWN WR's they've been pretty good at bringing in young, undervalued vets from other teams to fill that roll.

But I still think Bill still thinks that WR is a position where he can easily fill his needs either through the draft or FA on a regular basis. It occurs to me that the number of long term Patriot WR's can be counted on one hand over the last 20 years. Troy Brown, Dion Branch, Welker, Edelman......who else lasted more than 3, maybe 4 years. (and I include Branch only because of his 2nd stint with the team). I truly believes that Bill believes that because there are SO many WR type athletes out there, you don't HAVE to waste a lot of draft capitol or cap space for them.

Of course I'm sure having Brady as your QB has had a great deal to do with this thought process.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Ryan Johnson from CBSSports has a 7 rounder out.

1. AJ Brown - WR- Ole Miss(Draftniks don't call it Mississippi for lurkers)
2a J. Sternberger - TE - Texas A&M - Good pick IMO
2b Z. Allen DE - Boston College - Too good to pass up here.
3a Blake Cashman - LB - Minnesota Meh.
3b Khalen Saunders - dt- W Illinois I like
3c Ryan Finley - QB - NC St - Too limited
4 Kingsley Keke - DL - Texas A&M I like

6 Saivion Smith - CB - Alabama
7a Tommy Sweeney - TE - Boston College
7b Greg Dortch - WR - Wake Forest
7c Mike Weber - RB - Ohio St
7d Trace McSorley - QB - Penn St

Seven-round 2019 NFL Mock Draft: Raiders surprise at No. 4, Panthers and Patriots take QBs on Day 2

I'd prob trade up for Fant. Give up 3a to move to 21

1. N. Fant - TE -Iowa
2 D. Samuel - C ya Billy - WR - So Carolina
2 Z. Allen - DE - BC
3a traded
3b K. Saunders - DT - W Illinois
3c K. Warring - TE - SD St
4 K. Boyd - CB - Texas
6 T. Lamar - LB - Clemson

No idea about 7's. I do like a kid from Lehigh.
RB - Dominic Bragalone.

 

[manxman2601]

Ryan Johnson from CBSSports has a 7 rounder out.

1. AJ Brown - WR- Ole Miss(Draftniks don't call it Mississippi for lurkers)
2a J. Sternberger - TE - Texas A&M - Good pick IMO
2b Z. Allen DE - Boston College - Too good to pass up here.
3a Blake Cashman - LB - Minnesota Meh.
3b Khalen Saunders - dt- W Illinois I like
3c Ryan Finley - QB - NC St - Too limited
4 Kingsley Keke - DL - Texas A&M I like

6 Saivion Smith - CB - Alabama
7a Tommy Sweeney - TE - Boston College
7b Greg Dortch - WR - Wake Forest
7c Mike Weber - RB - Ohio St
7d Trace McSorley - QB - Penn St

Seven-round 2019 NFL Mock Draft: Raiders surprise at No. 4, Panthers and Patriots take QBs on Day 2

I'd prob trade up for Fant. Give up 3a to move to 21

1. N. Fant - TE -Iowa
2 D. Samuel - C ya Billy - WR - So Carolina
2 Z. Allen - DE - BC
3a traded
3b K. Saunders - DT - W Illinois
3c K. Warring - TE - SD St
4 K. Boyd - CB - Texas
6 T. Lamar - LB - Clemson

No idea about 7's. I do like a kid from Lehigh.
RB - Dominic Bragalone.

Find me someone better at 3A in Johnson’s mock and I’d be all over it.

Edit: Joejuan Williams goes 1 pick later. Done.

 

[SBLIII]

Decent chance wr’s 4-7 are as good as wr’s 1-3. Metcalf , AJ Brown and Marquise aren’t sure things.

I’m leaning TE, Edge and then double up on WR.

I wouldn't hate WR in round 2 or 3 because I don't value that position as much as pass rush, QB, CB and OT but TE even less so. I think TE can be ignored until 73 or 97.

We either get Fant or we should wait longer.

 

[SBLIII]

I like the thinking, but the concrete question of #32 is still foggy to me. I'd leap at Ferrell, but he's off the board by pick 20 in almost every mock. As for Tillery, I hesitate to commit a 1st to a player with question marks on work ethic and character. The three outcomes that seem most likely to me:

1. Go OT, likely Risner, to secure that shaky position and to get the extra 5th year at highly paid position.
2. Go WR, because the player quality and team need should line up well there.
3. Go Edge and to heck with "value," because if you don't think the players you feel good about will still be there at #56, now is the time.
(I'm purposely ignoring obvious outcome 4, TE Irv Smith.)

I would go DL or WR but would not hate OT because of the value and because Cannon is closer to retirement than people think.

Ok, realistically Ferrell won't be there.

Then,

1. Tillery/Lawrence
2. Brown
3. Risner/Little

 

[WaterfallJumper]

@patfanken

This one's for you. My favorite EDGE player fell to 32. I loaded up on defense and mid-round picks at TE and WR. It's a bit of a boom or bust draft, but I think you may like it.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Find me someone better at 3A in Johnson’s mock and I’d be all over it.

Edit: Joejuan Williams goes 1 pick later. Done.

Williams at 3a and Warring at 3c and I'd be happy. His draft is a good example of some pretty good prospects being available with those first six picks.

 

[patchick]

I think it is REALLY a stretch to say we used a first round pick on a WR

But...it's literally, exactly what we did.

If you wanted to argue that the Patriots haven't been investing major draft capital in college receivers, I'd be with you 100%. But that's not the argument you've been making. You've been say that they don't allocate resources--money and draft capital--because they don't value the position highly, and I don't think that fits the facts.

Ideally, I'd rather not count on college receivers this year or any year. But the Patriots' aggressive attempts to acquire veteran WRs in the offseason, offering up money and picks like they're going out of style, have resulted in nothing but Demaryius Thomas minus one achilles tendon. That puts a premium on draftees, and particularly NFL-ready draftees.

 

[patchick]

Find me someone better at 3A in Johnson’s mock and I’d be all over it.

Edit: Joejuan Williams goes 1 pick later. Done.

I actually like Cashman a lot, but I agree that I'd grab Joejuan.

No OT troubles me, but I'm not sure who I'd give up from his 5 to get one.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

But...it's literally, exactly what we did.

If you wanted to argue that the Patriots haven't been investing major draft capital in college receivers, I'd be with you 100%. But that's not the argument you've been making. You've been say that they don't allocate resources--money and draft capital--because they don't value the position highly, and I don't think that fits the facts.

Ideally, I'd rather not count on college receivers this year or any year. But the Patriots' aggressive attempts to acquire veteran WRs in the offseason, offering up money and picks like they're going out of style, have resulted in nothing but Demaryius Thomas minus one achilles tendon. That puts a premium on draftees, and particularly NFL-ready draftees.

To be fair, a quick search of his post history shows that he felt the same way prior to the Cooks trade, as well as afterward. He's philosophically against valuing the position. I don't agree with Ken all the time, but I sure do appreciate that he has a consistent football Weltanschauung.

 

[manxman2601]

To be fair, a quick search of his post history shows that he felt the same way prior to the Cooks trade, as well as afterward. He's philosophically against valuing the position. I don't agree with Ken all the time, but I sure do appreciate that he has a consistent football Weltanschauung.

I knew we’d be having this discussion with Ken this year and fair play to him, he’s consistent. I just want first round pick AJ Brown to score the winning TD in the SB to literally disprove the notion that WRs don’t win championships ....I kid. It’s actually a worthwhile debate.

 

[manxman2601]

I actually like Cashman a lot, but I agree that I'd grab Joejuan.

No OT troubles me, but I'm not sure who I'd give up from his 5 to get one.

You wouldn’t surrender Khalen would you? I suppose you could forsake the QB and take Scharping. Although, I quite like Finley as a long-term backup and spot starter and like the value at 3C.

 

[patchick]

To be fair, a quick search of his post history shows that he felt the same way prior to the Cooks trade, as well as afterward. He's philosophically against valuing the position. I don't agree with Ken all the time, but I sure do appreciate that he has a consistent football Weltanschauung.

Oh, absolutely! I have huge respect for patfanken's knowledge and opinions, and a lot of sympathy with his feelings about the WR position. I just think a myth has developed about the Patriots' history with receivers..

 

[manxman2601]

@patfanken

This one's for you. My favorite EDGE player fell to 32. I loaded up on defense and mid-round picks at TE and WR. It's a bit of a boom or bust draft, but I think you may like it.


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Love the first two picks. I’d be scared but hopeful after that. I think the coaching staff would have their work cut out, but there’s definitely plenty of upside in Wren, Johnson and Boykin particularly. Now we’ve just got to get some coaches.

 

[patfanken]

@patfanken

This one's for you. My favorite EDGE player fell to 32. I loaded up on defense and mid-round picks at TE and WR. It's a bit of a boom or bust draft, but I think you may like it.


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Thank you for this, though I'm not sure I'd take a S that early, as I have great hopes for Obi this season. But that's a VERY small thing.

I'd be OK with Oliver and Boykin at the receiver position. Neither would be my top choices, but one never seems to get your top choices. I'd rather Warring and Isabella, with a tall prospect on day 3, but that's just me.

I LOVE Ferrell, but I don't think he'd get to us at 32. But there is a small possibility that he falls to the early 20's and HE's a guy I could see spending a comp 3 to move up to get.

While I'm typing a dream scenario is coming into focus for the rest of this off season and it goes like this -

After the draft the Bucs take a DT and are now willing to trade McCoy to us for a 2020 conditional pick that can be anything from a 4th to a 2nd. Then Mcoy signs a 3 year deal with us that makes him cap friendly for this year. (Hey, shut up, it's MY dream)

Then in the Draft we move a comp pick to get Ferrell at say 21

In the second we pick up Knox at 56 and Simmons at 64

In the 3rd we fill the WR position and grab some tall WR (ie Boykin) and Isabell

In the 4th we grab our swing OT prospect.

Simmons would be WELL worth the wait at 64 (assuming he was still there). again, lay off it's MY dream

Knox, Warring would be a tough choice for me. Both have HUGE upsides, but I can't get passed Knox's speed and 3 cone times, so he'd get the nod if the choice comes to one or the other. But I wouldn't hate it if we get Warring....at all.

I think there is REAL value in the 3rd for WR's in this draft. There will a few guys who still there that wouldn't be a huge drop off from late first/2nd round. I wouldn't be surprised to see us use some of those late round picks to move up in this round.

Same thing goes for OT. This isn't a great OL draft to begin with so, again the drop off between the 2nd to 4th round talent isn't huge.

The only thing I'm missing with this draft is the S issue. Sorry about that, but I'm hoping Obi will be a solution THIS season and we can restock next year (assuming we need to) with an early draft pick and FA

 

[patsfaninpa]

Thank you for this, though I'm not sure I'd take a S that early, as I have great hopes for Obi this season. But that's a VERY small thing.

I'd be OK with Oliver and Boykin at the receiver position. Neither would be my top choices, but one never seems to get your top choices. I'd rather Warring and Isabella, with a tall prospect on day 3, but that's just me.

I LOVE Ferrell, but I don't think he'd get to us at 32. But there is a small possibility that he falls to the early 20's and HE's a guy I could see spending a comp 3 to move up to get.

While I'm typing a dream scenario is coming into focus for the rest of this off season and it goes like this -

After the draft the Bucs take a DT and are now willing to trade McCoy to us for a 2020 conditional pick that can be anything from a 4th to a 2nd. Then Mcoy signs a 3 year deal with us that makes him cap friendly for this year. (Hey, shut up, it's MY dream)

Then in the Draft we move a comp pick to get Ferrell at say 21

In the second we pick up Knox at 56 and Simmons at 64

In the 3rd we fill the WR position and grab some tall WR (ie Boykin) and Isabell

In the 4th we grab our swing OT prospect.

Simmons would be WELL worth the wait at 64 (assuming he was still there). again, lay off it's MY dream

Knox, Warring would be a tough choice for me. Both have HUGE upsides, but I can't get passed Knox's speed and 3 cone times, so he'd get the nod if the choice comes to one or the other. But I wouldn't hate it if we get Warring....at all.

I think there is REAL value in the 3rd for WR's in this draft. There will a few guys who still there that wouldn't be a huge drop off from late first/2nd round. I wouldn't be surprised to see us use some of those late round picks to move up in this round.

Same thing goes for OT. This isn't a great OL draft to begin with so, again the drop off between the 2nd to 4th round talent isn't huge.

The only thing I'm missing with this draft is the S issue. Sorry about that, but I'm hoping Obi will be a solution THIS season and we can restock next year (assuming we need to) with an early draft pick and FA

He’s not as good as McCoy. But, one of the mock guys has SF trading Armstead to us after goingDL at 2.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

@patfanken

This one's for you. My favorite EDGE player fell to 32. I loaded up on defense and mid-round picks at TE and WR. It's a bit of a boom or bust draft, but I think you may like it.


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No offense, but only one pick on O in the first two days would make me a sad panda.