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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Thank GOD you aren't running the Pats draft. It is SO offensive sided its....offensive.Gil Brandt's top 150 was released yesterday and he's certainly one of the top 'in the knows' in the business so it's a useful tool. Here's a 4 round mock based on his board and is me trying to predict what the Pats will do.
32. AJ Brown, WR, Ole Miss
Brandt has him ranked at 33 so the value lines up perfectly. One of the reasons I like Brown so much for the Pats is his versatility. I think he can legitimatly be used at the X, Z and slot and that's something BB will appreciate. If Brown is on he board at 32 in reality, I think he'll be hard to pass on.
Trade 56, 101 to Redskins for 46
46. Chris Lindstrom, OL, Boston College
He's an ideal guy for our zone blocking system, fits the athleticism we tend to draft for OL and potentially could replace Thuney long-term or even challenge David Andrews if necessary. And at 6'4" and 34" arms, could play swing tackle early if necessary. Lindstrom feels like a Patriots guy.
64. Joejuan Williams, CB, Vanderbilt
I've talked about him playing a Brandon Browner role for us and that, I think, might explain the interest. Put him on big WRs (something BB has talked about as a concern) and mobile TEs. Takes Melifonwu's place on the roster potentially.
73. Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M
ASJ takes on the Dwayne Allen role freeing us up to take a TE that will be a genuine threat in the passing game.
97. Mecole Hardman, WR, Georgia
I realise this mock is somewhat offense heavy but that's just how things are falling. AJ Brown is going to be mr reliable at WR for the next few years. Hardman will be Mr dynamic. He's an exciting and explosive piece that McDaniels can manufacture touches for and provides a deep threat. He also gives us a much needed punt returner. Assuming Brown and Hardman hit, which is a stretch probably, can you imagine a WR corps of Gordon, Brown and Hardman moving forward. That has to get you excited.
128. Kingsley Keke, DL, Texas A&M
A DE That can shift inside on passing downs. However, at 288lbs, he could probably add weight and become a permanent DT if necessary. Not a pick that excites, but there are flashes of athleticism and pass rushing abilities. Flowers was a fourth round pick made good. Maybe Keke could provide a similar return.
Add in a FA DT like Allen Bailey or a returning Danny Shelton and a swing OT and this would cover most of the bases. Admittedly I haven’t done much to improve the pass rush and QB is still a question mark but this helps fill most of the gaps on a potential final 53 man roster.
We have spent 20 years watching the Pats get value at the WR position WITHOUT committing huge draft capital at the position or huge money in FA. The Pats have had a top offense since around 2003 but utilizing good but not elite receivers.
Thank GOD you aren't running the Pats draft. It is SO offensive sided its....offensive.
We have spent 20 years watching the Pats get value at the WR position WITHOUT committing huge draft capital at the position or huge money in FA. The Pats have had a top offense since around 2003 but utilizing good but not elite receivers. Yet for some f#cking reason every f#cking year all these normally intelligent Pats fans, just want to draft WR after WR after WR.
Now I LOVE Chris Lindstrom as a player. Hell I was his father's HS coach. You make a good case for him, but you can make the same case for someone just like him NEXT year when there might actually be a need. Swing tackle IS a real need, but one that could be filled internally, with a later pick, or in FA.
We cannot leave the 2nd round without at least ONE potential defensive starter, particularly a DT/DE. Just can't happen. Granted I really hope we exit the 2nd day with at least one TE and WR, but we can survive next season without spending most of our draft capital (2 2nd day picks with your scenario) for a redundant position...this year.
And as far as WR goes, NEVER in the first round.....NEVER. Again, I'd love Brown or someone like him. But given the impact he'd have on the team vs the value of the pick; there isn't any value there for ANY WR , because you can get similar value throughout the draft. '
If the TE that they want is there take him. Hockenson dropped into the 20's I be OK to move up for him. But TE is a MUCH more impactful position that TE. I'd rather draft an OLman in the first that a WR
.....and just like that the rant is over.
....and just who was that #1 WR pick?Ken, I know it feels like the Patriots minimize the draft capital they spend on WRs compared to other teams, but the facts don't really support that. Here's a quick tally of the premium picks spent on WR by all the teams in the AFCE in the period you specified, since 2003:
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64? Really?1. I had a defensive player in the first two rounds.
A starter on the DL these days is anyone who plays around 50% of the snaps. I can see Tillery, Lawerence, Wilkins etc doing that2. Your DL defensive starter. Who exactly do they start ahead of? Michael Bennett? Lawrence Guy?
Like pre-draft visits are a great indicator of where the Pats are going. Last year only Berrios, Dawson and Sam had visits and only Dawson was a 2nd day pick.3. My mock is based upon the very real pre-draft activity of the Patriots. They have had ZERO defensive players predicted to go around pick 32 in for a visit. On the other hand, they’ve had almost every WR and almost every OL in that range in for a visit.
Because we need rush help now! not 2 years from now. Flowers wasn't an overnight success. Bad example. The last 2 first round picks to have an immediate impact were Hightower and Jones - 2 first rounders.4. You say we don’t need a WR in the first round. Well why do we need a DL? Our best pass rusher of our recent SB run was a 4th rounder. The three first rounders we had on the DL (Clayborn, Brown, Shelton) were all released/not re-signed so hardly that essential to the team.
My favorite too, but I'm thinking you are following a false trail. JMHO5. Dexter Lawrence has been my favourite pick for that 32 pick since I started researching this draft. Zach Allen is one of my favourite defensive linemen. But, I’m following the trail of crumbs being set by this teams pre-draft activity.
In that case I missed it, sorry.6. I literally said this is what I thought the Pats would do. Not what I would do.
64? Really?
A starter on the DL these days is anyone who plays around 50% of the snaps. I can see Tillery, Lawerence, Wilkins etc doing that
Like pre-draft visits are a great indicator of where the Pats are going. Last year only Berrios, Dawson and Sam had visits and only Dawson was a 2nd day pick.
Because we need rush help now! not 2 years from now. Flowers wasn't an overnight success. Bad example. The last 2 first round picks to have an immediate impact were Hightower and Jones - 2 first rounders.
My favorite too, but I'm thinking you are following a false trail. JMHO
In that case I missed it, sorry.
2nd to last mock draft.
32. DT Christian Wilkins Clemson.
56. WR Hakeem Butler
64. TE Jace Sternberger
73. FS Darnel Savage Maryland
97. SS Amani Hooker Iowa
101. WR Miles Boykin Notre Dame
134. OT Kaleb McGary Washington
205. DE Jonathan Ledbetter Georgia
239. WR James Gardner Miami (Ohio)
243. G Damien Prince Maryland
246. LB Tre Lamar Clemson
252. QB Jake Browning Washington
One can dream.
Lovely mock but McGary at 134? That is a dream. He’s a top 50 pick...at worst.
Yeah, its that stupid mock simulator. I wont use it for my final mock.
However, I don’t see him going in the first 3 rounds because of medical issues and him being a RT to guard conversion.
....and just who was that #1 WR pick?
Pittsburgh’s m.o. for drafting wide receivers seems to be above average production in college.
Maybe bb can steal a page from their book!
Decent chance wr’s 4-7 are as good as wr’s 1-3. Metcalf , AJ Brown and Marquise aren’t sure things.Objectively speaking the 4 most positions to win football games are QB, LT, CB and edge.
QB is settled. LT is not but we expect Wynn to take over. CB is settled for now. Edge is usually where the pressure comes from. But if a DT can provide it as well he gives you the same value.
So just based on value and team needs we should either take Tillery or Clelin Ferrell.
However our WR situation is much more dire than normal. Meaning a step up from whoever our 2nd/3rd WR is right now to AJ Brown can be much more significant than it usually is increasing the value of a WR pick.
Objectively speaking the 4 most positions to win football games are QB, LT, CB and edge.
QB is settled. LT is not but we expect Wynn to take over. CB is settled for now. Edge is usually where the pressure comes from. But if a DT can provide it as well he gives you the same value.
So just based on value and team needs we should either take Tillery or Clelin Ferrell.
However our WR situation is much more dire than normal. Meaning a step up from whoever our 2nd/3rd WR is right now to AJ Brown can be much more significant than it usually is increasing the value of a WR pick.
I like the thinking, but the concrete question of #32 is still foggy to me. I'd leap at Ferrell, but he's off the board by pick 20 in almost every mock. As for Tillery, I hesitate to commit a 1st to a player with question marks on work ethic and character. The three outcomes that seem most likely to me:
1. Go OT, likely Risner, to secure that shaky position and to get the extra 5th year at highly paid position.
2. Go WR, because the player quality and team need should line up well there.
3. Go Edge and to heck with "value," because if you don't think the players you feel good about will still be there at #56, now is the time.
(I'm purposely ignoring obvious outcome 4, TE Irv Smith.)
Re 3. Which EDGE though? Zach Allen, Chase Winovich, Jaylon Ferguson, LJ Collier seems to be the only contenders at 32. Were those the names you were thinking?