Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[PP2]

Nah, this comes off as someone with the means trying to expose wrong doing and abuse of power committed by the police

There is nothing worse that when those society grants power to turn around and abuse that power on the people they serve

I hope the Juniper PD gets ROASTED publically

I hope those assholes get CRUSHED. The fake bomb threat alone is an act of terrorism, under the Patriot Act. If it was just an ordinary Joe calling in a fake bomb threat, he would be charged with a felony, and spend a good number of years in jail. His life would effectively be over.

Punishment

A violation of Florida Statute 790.163 or 790.164 is a second-degree felony which is punishable up to 15 years in prison with a $10,000 fine. A judge cannot withhold adjudication for this crime which means the young person’s job hunting situation will become difficult. Why? When the young person has to fill out applications which ask if he has ever been convicted of a crime, he will have to answer yes. A violation is 790.163 is ranked as level 5 under the Florida Criminal Punishment Code and a violation of 790.164 is ranked as level 6.

If any law enforcement responded to the fake bomb threat, the individual can be required to pay restitution to the law enforcement for any costs or damages that happened while responding.

If you made the bomb threat over mail, telephone, telegraph, you could be also prosecuted by a federal prosecutor and be convicted of this crime which is punishable up to 10 years in prison. The Double Jeopardy clause of the U.S. Constitution prevents anyone from being charged twice for the same crime. You can, however, be convicted by the State of Florida and the U.S. Federal government for the same fake bomb threat because you are committing a crime against two different sovereign governments.

 

[Ring 6]

I have a hunch that engaging in this discussion with you will end up being something like this

That would be up to you.

 

[Ring 6]

Here is the entire file from court records. You are correct, I left out the signature page. No attachments. Now if you have original records in your secret lair, please share with the rest of us.

That is not the whole thing.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Warrant abuse happens in every state, and it happens with the feds.

It’s the idea that they’re watching and recording nudity that makes this alarming.

 

[venecol]

That is not the whole thing.

If you didn't have your head stuck so far up your azz, you would realize the file I uploaded can't be tampered with because of the security measures the court has on these court records. So yes, that is the entire file posted on the court records site. Shocking isn't it? But you continue being you, talking out of your azz.

 

[Ring 6]

If you didn't have your head stuck so far up your azz, you would realize the file I uploaded can't be tampered with because of the security measures the court has on these court records. So yes, that is the entire file posted on the court records site. Shocking isn't it? But you continue being you, talking out of your azz.

The file you uploaded is incomplete. It literally references attachments. You grabbed a pdf of a portion of what was filed.
But I have no interest in arguing with a brick wall. Have a nice day and by the way, you have to post links to thinks you copy here. Ian can get in trouble. You can’t just find things on the internet and copy them in without sourcing.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Nah, this comes off as someone with the means trying to expose wrong doing and abuse of power committed by the police

There is nothing worse that when those society grants power to turn around and abuse that power on the people they serve

I hope the Juniper PD gets ROASTED publically

You really think that if they drop the charges, Kraft is going to pursue this on the grounds the police abused their power? If they drop the charges, Kraft's lawyers go away and do not care about the police, the prostitutes, or the other Johns... don't kid yourself, this is only about self-preservation cloaked in an abuse of power battle cry.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I hope those assholes get CRUSHED. The fake bomb threat alone is an act of terrorism, under the Patriot Act. If it was just an ordinary Joe calling in a fake bomb threat, he would be charged with a felony, and spend a good number of years in jail. His life would effectively be over.

Punishment

A violation of Florida Statute 790.163 or 790.164 is a second-degree felony which is punishable up to 15 years in prison with a $10,000 fine. A judge cannot withhold adjudication for this crime which means the young person’s job hunting situation will become difficult. Why? When the young person has to fill out applications which ask if he has ever been convicted of a crime, he will have to answer yes. A violation is 790.163 is ranked as level 5 under the Florida Criminal Punishment Code and a violation of 790.164 is ranked as level 6.

If any law enforcement responded to the fake bomb threat, the individual can be required to pay restitution to the law enforcement for any costs or damages that happened while responding.

If you made the bomb threat over mail, telephone, telegraph, you could be also prosecuted by a federal prosecutor and be convicted of this crime which is punishable up to 10 years in prison. The Double Jeopardy clause of the U.S. Constitution prevents anyone from being charged twice for the same crime. You can, however, be convicted by the State of Florida and the U.S. Federal government for the same fake bomb threat because you are committing a crime against two different sovereign governments.

What a mockery of law enforcement. I really hope they are as arrogant as they appear to be and Kraft’s legal team sees this through. The requested files of the officers and Jupiter PD should be made public. Isn’t this what the Sunshine laws are for? Or are they exclusively for the purposes of embarrassing nude people in private areas?

It is also a crime in Florida to record someone naked while they have an expectation of privacy. I have trouble pasting and italicizing with my tablet, but a quick Google search brings up the law immediately.

So I wonder how many felonies you can commit as a Police Officer in Jupiter if you read about a rub n tug on a website.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You really think that if they drop the charges, Kraft is going to pursue this on the grounds the police abused their power? If they drop the charges, Kraft's lawyers go away and do not care about the police, the prostitutes, or the other Johns... don't kid yourself, this is only about self-preservation cloaked in an abuse of power battle cry.

He’ll run away like a little b1tch just like he did in 2015. Hope the local citizens will wake up to the fact that their PD has turned into a Black Mirror episode.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

You really think that if they drop the charges, Kraft is going to pursue this on the grounds the police abused their power? If they drop the charges, Kraft's lawyers go away and do not care about the police, the prostitutes, or the other Johns... don't kid yourself, this is only about self-preservation cloaked in an abuse of power battle cry.

It'll be interesting to see if they make the same over the did originally but say they will seal the tape, let's see if RK accepts that or keeps pushing.

 

[venecol]

The file you uploaded is incomplete. It literally references attachments. You grabbed a pdf of a portion of what was filed.
But I have no interest in arguing with a brick wall. Have a nice day and by the way, you have to post links to thinks you copy here. Ian can get in trouble. You can’t just find things on the internet and copy them in without sourcing.

You are always so proud about talking about things you have no clue about. The file I uploaded "is the file from the court records web site." I did not grab a pdf of a portion of what was filed. You don't seem to understand that you can't tamper with these files. You clearly don't believe me which is fine, but since I have actually been on the website and you haven't it just shows me what a total waste of time it is to discuss with such an unreasonable character such as you.

By the way, I don't have to post any links because I'm uploading an actual file, which happens to be public record.

You have a nice day as well.

 

[Deus Irae]

It’s the idea that they’re watching and recording nudity that makes this alarming.

I understand what you're saying. But, the idea that they were able to get a broad warrant based on the information we're told they had is what should be alarming you. T&A is to be expected in a sex surveillance situation.

We've got a real problem in this country, exacerbated by 9/11 and the subsequent implementation of the Patriot Act and other laws, with having given the governments too much power. And, when the already too powerful governments then abuse that power, it's a danger to us all.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I understand what you're saying. But, the idea that they were able to get a broad warrant based on the information we're told they had is what should be alarming you. T&A is to be expected in a sex surveillance situation.

We've got a real problem in this country, exacerbated by 9/11 and the subsequent implementation of the Patriot Act and other laws, with having given the governments too much power. And, when the already too powerful governments then abuse that power, it's a danger to us all.

I agree with this 100%.

 

[PatriotsReign]

You really think that if they drop the charges, Kraft is going to pursue this on the grounds the police abused their power? If they drop the charges, Kraft's lawyers go away and do not care about the police, the prostitutes, or the other Johns... don't kid yourself, this is only about self-preservation cloaked in an abuse of power battle cry.

And that’s totally ok!

I like Kraft and he has my full support. I just hope the egos in the Juniper DA’s office allow Kraft’s lawyers to expose them

And I’m a law & order supporter

 

[letekro]

I haven’t been following this. How is my prediction turning out that law enforcement and the PBC DA are going to rue the day they messed with real lawyers backed by an endlessly rich and determined client?

 

[1960Pats]

That would be up to you.

I've noticed that when a poster has no response for you they usually skip around your question.

 

[PatriotsReign]

If you didn't have your head stuck so far up your azz, you would realize the file I uploaded can't be tampered with because of the security measures the court has on these court records. So yes, that is the entire file posted on the court records site. Shocking isn't it? But you continue being you, talking out of your azz.

Who cares about the court records guys?!

Seriously, it’s not like any of us if wake up everyday wondering where this case stands.

It was like the time Randy Moss was falsely accused of battering in Florida and I’m pretty sure we had idiots from this board making phone calls to authorities down there

Those kind of people REALLY need to get a life.

 

[Ring 6]

I've noticed that when a poster has no response for you they usually skip around your question.

Very true.

 

[IcyPatriot]

So is it correctly being reported that Kraft has to show his face in court next week?

 

[venecol]

So is it correctly being reported that Kraft has to show his face in court next week?

I don't think so, defense filed a motion to allow the defendant not to have to show up in court while all of the motion hearings are going on. There is a hearing tomorrow on the media access to the videos and a other on the 26th for the motion to suppress. I'm not aware of anything going on next week.