Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[1960Pats]

I was surprised by law enforcement in my hometown. My wife was pulled over and issued a speeding citation. The information was wrong. She was supposedly clocked on another street with a different speed limit according to the written citation. She sent in the paperwork to dispute it in court. The police officer doctored his paperwork! That’s illegal. Crooked bastard. If they are willing to lie in court over a hundred dollar infraction, what corners are they cutting in big cases?

It sounds like you're claiming that one cop doctored his report. Who are "they"?

 

[farn]

It's true that Deadspin hates NE with a passion, but there is zero wrong with that piece. They hit the nail square on the head both for noticing he didn't actually really apologize for anything and that it was pretty damned pathetic to try to deflect by invoking Myra.

Either Myra was exceptional at shielding him or he's gone downhill on his own - mentally - since her passing...

 

[1960Pats]

I like to see all viewpoints so I don’t have anyone on ignore. I just scan by him mostly. It’s the writing a novel to reply to every single post in an attempt to always get the final word can become very annoying when your following a thread.

I find the back and forth with repetitive opinions to be the biggest drawback, but those aren't all on Andy. He also doesn't get personal unless provoked. I can't say the same for some of the posters who disagree with him.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Kind of is.
This board is a hobby. And I use this board to get information and to have discussions about thinks being said that i don’t agree with.
I suppose I could use it to ignore the things I disagree with and gives likes to things I agree with and leave but I find the discussion interesting.

1) Nothing wrong at all for considering posting on this board as a hobby. It’s one of the best football sites around. Now had you spent this amount of time on Chiefs Planet or Steelers fury that poster who threw shade at you may have a point.

2)Hmmm...I can ignore certain posts and move on OR I can give my counterpoint and argue this to the death until my opponent ultimately moves on. Which one do I think you’ll choose?

 

[Soliel]

Wow. Ok so first of all you said I was wrong for not accepting that “tmz heard”was a legitimate source to prove the investigation was over.
Wait. You think it is more likely based on what we know that kraft didn’t engage and pay a prostitute? Seriously? Whether he will be found legally guilty in a court of law and punished is a different matter but it seems ridiculous to hold the position that he didn’t commit the crime. Hell he all but admitted it yesterday.



I 100% am not. Saying I do not believe we have seen anything that shows law enforcement broke any laws is not saying I am on board with breaking laws. Exactly what law did I say I supported being broken by law enforcement. You are just making this up.



Haha I am about as far from a communist as anyone could be.


I never said anything close to that. There is not a single right I have said shouldn’t be afforded. What in the world are you talking about?

I think I might have hit the wrong quote button Andy. I was trying to argue the point that weather he actually did this, which he obviously did, does not make it right to have law enforcement call in bomb threats-in violation of too many laws to go in to-then get evidence. I’m not on board with police state bullshyt and neither should you. I was kind of shocked that you would go along with that.

However, I was trying to argue that point with you but other points I was making, that was another guy. I stand by what I just said with you now though. Hard for me to think AJ is downwith thug like actions and Nixon style tactics which you seem to be on board with. Am I wrong?

 

[Soliel]

I havent seen eagerness to release the video.
The only thing I have seen is that the sheriff was asked about it and said according to the law it cannot be released while charges are pending and once resolved if a request is made it must be released unless there is a reason to block it, and there appears to be no reason to block it.
What have I missed? Who is showing eagerness to release it?

Also, the prosecutor described the “easy out” as the offer they give all first time offenders and it’s that Ir go to trial, so I don’t agree it gives any indication of the strength or lack of strength they feel their case has.

You are eager

 

[Soliel]

I know, I argued that one too but he kicked my butt on that one. He can not win this argument though unless he wants to be unamerican


I have to be fair here. I thought Butler was on dope too. Strange how you could read it 900 times and the believe it. That said, I thought AJ might be right on that seeing that we really have not got a more plausible reason.

He is still wrong though. You can not call yourself a patriot or an American if you feel ok with this whole get down. Andy knows this is a fact

 

[Ring 6]

I think I might have hit the wrong quote button Andy. I was trying to argue the point that weather he actually did this, which he obviously did, does not make it right to have law enforcement call in bomb threats-in violation of too many laws to go in to-then get evidence. I’m not on board with police state bullshyt and neither should you. I was kind of shocked that you would go along with that.

I’m not sure I made any comments about bomb threats at all. Especially since I have not seen anything that proves to me that happened.

However, I was trying to argue that point with you but other points I was making, that was another guy. I stand by what I just said with you now though. Hard for me to think AJ is downwith thug like actions and Nixon style tactics which you seem to be on board with. Am I wrong?

Can you show me any example of me saying I was on board with that? Someone saying the case is going to be thrown out because of the warrant that they haven’t read and me saying I’ve seen no proof (not guess or speculation) they did anything wrong so I don’t buy that is not me “being in board” with whatever you want to make up and say was done.

 

[PatsWSB47]

I’m not sure I made any comments about bomb threats at all. Especially since I have not seen anything that proves to me that happened.



Can you show me any example of me saying I was on board with that? Someone saying the case is going to be thrown out because of the warrant that they haven’t read and me saying I’ve seen no proof (not guess or speculation) they did anything wrong so I don’t buy that is not me “being in board” with whatever you want to make up and say was done.

what proof are you relying on for your takes?

 

[Soliel]

I’m not sure I made any comments about bomb threats at all. Especially since I have not seen anything that proves to me that happened.




Can you show me any example of me saying I was on board with that? Someone saying the case is going to be thrown out because of the warrant that they haven’t read and me saying I’ve seen no proof (not guess or speculation) they did anything wrong so I don’t buy that is not me “being in board” with whatever you want to make up and say was done.

No, I can’t show any examples of you actually saying that. Just the impression. If my impressions of what you mean are not accurate, I’ll own that.

 

[Ring 6]

No, I can’t show any examples of you actually saying that. Just the impression. If my impressions of what you mean are not accurate, I’ll own that.

Perhaps rather than sending insulting comments toward my character you could make sure you understand or ask a question.

 

[Ring 6]

what proof are you relying on for your takes?

What is available to us, which isn’t really a lot.

That’s the problem, people are making assumptions then arguing as if they are fact, and I’m saying we do not know that.

 

[Soliel]

Perhaps rather than sending insulting comments toward my character you could make sure you understand or ask a question.

Don’t think that bro. From here on , I’ll ask first then respond. Some times, I’ll read something and assume things. That’s just me

 

[Ring 6]

That is a total lie.

My take on butler was he was not prepared.
It’s a total lie to say I insinuated it had to do with drugs.

A total lie. Be better than this.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That is a total lie.

My take on butler was he was not prepared.
It’s a total lie to say I insinuated it had to do with drugs.

A total lie. Be better than this.

I'll vouch for you on that.

 

[IcyPatriot]

This thread is a about Kraft - not Andy ... time to move on.

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[Joker]

OK...I'll ask YOU then, Icy...have you read "Human trafficking" in any warrant directly associated with the Orchids Of Asia arrests?

 

[IcyPatriot]

OK...I'll ask YOU then, Icy...have you read "Human trafficking" in any warrant directly associated with the Orchids Of Asia arrests?

Whatever ... then debate it - instead some here would rather attack Andy's cred.
It's the weakest form of debate ever - cannot prove something then attack mode.

"Not using responses that attack someone's intelligence, character, fan allegiance, etc."
"This isn't that hard, we just need people to be civil and avoid insults to make your point."
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[Soliel]

This thread is a about Kraft - not Andy ... time to move on.

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I contest that!

This thread has nothing to do with Kraft or the team. What this is, I mean look. This is judgement day. You got anything you’d like to say?

I’m just saying it feels like thAt and Andy will kick you in the nads all day. That’s my only point I guess. I’m angry because I can’t counter argue any good

 

[Soliel]

Ask @PP2. This is the year.

I’d actually like to apologize to the entire board for my odd behavior. I’ve been misquoting people and starting arguments. This won’t happen again. I just seen gronk retire, got drunk, attacked Andy verbally. That’s just not my way usually but I do apologize

All this being said, I’m still never going to agree to tactics like we have seen in this case