PRE-FA 3 ROUND MOCK DRAFT WITH FREE AGENCY ADDITIONS/TRADES

[DW Toys]

The Pats will lose some valuable personnel. They will get some back and might make some trades.

Resigns:

Trent Brown-Why? An intact O Line is a stable O Line. Wynn is coming off an injury. Too early to say if he is the instant successor to Brown. Let him be the swing Tackle/Guard this year and take Waddle's place. A one year extension.

Corradell Patterson-Why? Still young. Still fast and produced in a limited role. Should be inexpensive. We need WR bodies. Good locker room kid.

Phillip Dorsett- Why? Produced in a limited role. Still young. Fast. Maybe ascending. The anti-Diva WR.

John Simon-Played a lot after his acquisition. Put up some QB pressure. Can he be Nink or Vrabel?

Gostkowski- Has his bad moments but better than most

Ryan Allen-A little underrated.

Danny Shelton-Only 25. One start this year. 21 tackles. Brown had 14 starts and only had 35 tackles, his lowest amount as a Patriot. They need to retain at least one of these cloggers.

If Gordon gets a clean bill of health from rehab, he is a RFA . Sign him to a prove it.

Jonathan Jones. RFA one year deal.

Jeremy Hill-Showed enough for a one year deal.

Possible cuts:

Devin McCourty- Thinking retirement-$9mm is way too much, He has been mediocre the last two years but he does get the DBs lined up. Or contract reconstruct.

Dur0n Harmon-You cut McCourty , you keep Harmon. If not a one year deal

Possible Trades:

Donta Hightower- Better playoff player than regulars season. Started off terrible this year but improved.
Tough call but his CAP number is a factor and will not take a pay cut. $7mm is not crazy in today's numbers, so his contract is friendly. Hightower or MCourty should be moved.

Marcus Cannon-If you resign Brown, who I think played better than Cannon, and then plug Wynn in there.Cannon is at $5.5 mm.

Josh Rosen from Cards. McDaniels liked him. A block of clay to mold for a couple years watching TB12. #32 might be the best the Cardinals get. BB would have traded #32 anyway.Is he a better QB than any BB can get at #32? YES.

Shockeroo....Ryan Kerrigan from Redskins. He is 30 years old but playing at a high level. Plays the Ninc roll on the skins. Started every game since 2011. 13 Sacks on a poor Skins D last year. Averages 10.5 Sacks per year. He is the perfect NE Patriot mold. He is $11.5mm per year. At least $5mm less than Flowers who has less production. The Skins are rebuilding and without a QB. They could use a Pats high pick.

Antonio Brown? Maybe if we are the best trade partner. He will be a big CAP number but a "John Pardo" type parting gift for TB.

Possible realistic BB FA targets:

Bill will go bargain basement this year

Tyrann Mathieu S- OK Well this ONE might be a little more expensive. Our best play making S is Harmon and he doesn't start. I think Mattheu takes a little less to play here and Romeo and Billy play a similar D game in Houston.

Jamison Crowder WR- Should be cheaper because of injuries in 2018. Prior to that he compared to Diggs from the Vikings. Crowder is also terrific in punt returns. Only 26 and a Duke grad,

• Diggs - 3 years / 40 games / 200 catches / 2,472 receiving yards / 15 TDs / 12.4 yards-per-catch
• Crowder - 3 years / 47 games / 192 catches / 2,240 receiving yards / 12 TDs / 11.7 yards-per-catch

Henry Anderson DL-This guy was a force for the Jets last year. They want to resign him. He played well against us. 7 Sacks from the inside last year. Only 27 . 6'6" and 300 lbs. He seems like a typical below the radar guy for the Pats.

Chris Conley WR- fast and a terrific blocker. 6"3" and 205. Unselfish that BB requires. The size WR the Pats need. 5 TD's is 2018. 26 years old. Melds fine with the other GA kids. 4.35 speed.

Tyler Eifert TE- An injury gamble that BB has always taken a shot with. Pro Bowl ability when healthy.

Corey Liuget DT-See above

Shaquil Barrett LB "Barrett has produced. Besides that, he’s been exceptional in run defense. According to Pro Football Focus (subscription required), Barrett was the No. 17 rated edge defender in run defense this past season. At only 26 years old, he offers tremendous versatility"

Tre Boston S- "Boston was PFF’s No. 24 rated safety last season and was small consolation on a weak Arizona defense. He also had a 78.2 coverage grade, good enough to be the No. 19 rated safety in that category. Our Safeties lack coverage".

Jared Cook TE- He is 33 but still playing at a high level. Was the Raiders best receiver last year. If Gronk comes back, Cook can receive a lot of targets. Not an overwhelming blocker.

Amendola WR

THE DRAFT after all of this above (just for giggles) :

First round: 32nd overall – To the Cards for Rosen. QB box checked
Second: 56th overall –To Steelers for Antonio Brown or if not, Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State (injured 1rst rounder)
Second: 64th overall –Deebo Samuel, WR, South Carolina
Third: 73rd overall – To Redskins for Kerrigan or if not Jaylon Ferguson, EDGE, Louisiana Tech
Third: 97th overall -Amani Hooker, S, Iowa
Third: 101st overall - JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford

We won't get near a top rated TE in the Draft. I would take a shot with Kahale Warring of San Diego State.

Thoughts?
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[fnordcircle]

Gostkowski- Has his bad moments but better than most

I'll take "Things only fans who have been spoiled with amazing kicker consistency and longevity will say" for $2000.

 

[Simpelton]

They are not going to prioritize QB in the first round. Not a chance

 

[WaterfallJumper]

lol

 

[jah]

There are some hot takes in here. I don't think many of them will come true.

 

[Snooky97]

• Trent Brown is looking at Solder money, which i can't see us paying.
• Cards will get a better offer i imagine than #32
• Steelers won't give us brown and i'd rather not have him, even though his cap is reasonable
• D-Mac is staying. He's the leader of the secondary. There's no one to replace him.
• Give me HT over Kerrigan all day long. I'd rather have a clutch playoff player than a regular season guy.
• I'm struggling to understand how our safeties are poor in coverage?
• Cannon stays unless Trent Brown stays for under 10m Cap.. That's not going to happen.

I appreciate the effort but this is poor attempt.

 

[SBLIII]

This is an incredible poor job.

 

[HailHydra]

1. Trent Brown is gone.
2. Danny Shelton will be paid more elsewhere.
3. Harmon is never getting cut.
4. A. Brown isn't coming here.
5. T. Brown, of the 5 starters, was the weak link.
6. Arcega Whiteside, Hooker, Jaylon Ferguson, and Jeffrey Simmons are all completely unrealistic at their positions. You'd see them go at half the draft spot you gave them.

 

[manxman2601]

Just looking the draft. Ignore the first round trade and slide everyone up one slot and that’s not a bad mock.

 

[Zuma]

DW always gets the laughs I miss out on...

Resigns:

Trent Brown-Why? An intact O Line is a stable O Line. Wynn is coming off an injury. Too early to say if he is the instant successor to Brown. Let him be the swing Tackle/Guard this year and take Waddle's place. A one year extension. Reasonable. If Trey is not resigned....then Trent Brown for $10 mil per year.

Corradell Patterson-Why? Still young. Still fast and produced in a limited role. Should be inexpensive. We need WR bodies. Good locker room kid. Reasonable. We like CP...can do a lot of things...is an ok WR4/5, can return kicks and Jets like a bad ass.

Phillip Dorsett- Why? Produced in a limited role. Still young. Fast. Maybe ascending. The anti-Diva WR. Reasonable. Had a high completion rate...decent WR3

John Simon-Played a lot after his acquisition. Put up some QB pressure. Can he be Nink or Vrabel? Reasonable. I'd like to see him channel Nink.

Gostkowski- Has his bad moments but better than most. Reasonable. He is great kicker ...might be pricey tho

Ryan Allen-A little underrated. Yes he re-signs...Everyone has bad games on occasion...but the guy is a great punter.

Danny Shelton-Only 25. One start this year. 21 tackles. Brown had 14 starts and only had 35 tackles, his lowest amount as a Patriot. They need to retain at least one of these cloggers. No. While I think Danny has a lot of talent...i think his give's a **** motor is broken. I'll take Brown over Shelton.

If Gordon gets a clean bill of health from rehab, he is a RFA . Sign him to a prove it. Reasonable

Jonathan Jones. RFA one year deal. Reasonable. I think multi-years.

Jeremy Hill-Showed enough for a one year deal. Reasonable

Possible cuts:

Devin McCourty- Thinking retirement-$9mm is way too much, He has been mediocre the last two years but he does get the DBs lined up. Or contract reconstruct. No

Dur0n Harmon-You cut McCourty , you keep Harmon. If not a one year deal. No

Possible Trades:

Donta Hightower- Better playoff player than regulars season. Started off terrible this year but improved.
Tough call but his CAP number is a factor and will not take a pay cut. $7mm is not crazy in today's numbers, so his contract is friendly. Hightower or MCourty should be moved. No

Marcus Cannon-If you resign Brown, who I think played better than Cannon, and then plug Wynn in there.Cannon is at $5.5 mm. No

Josh Rosen from Cards. McDaniels liked him. A block of clay to mold for a couple years watching TB12. #32 might be the best the Cardinals get. BB would have traded #32 anyway.Is he a better QB than any BB can get at #32? YES. No...64 Yes

Shockeroo....Ryan Kerrigan from Redskins. He is 30 years old but playing at a high level. Plays the Ninc roll on the skins. Started every game since 2011. 13 Sacks on a poor Skins D last year. Averages 10.5 Sacks per year. He is the perfect NE Patriot mold. He is $11.5mm per year. At least $5mm less than Flowers who has less production. The Skins are rebuilding and without a QB. They could use a Pats high pick. No

Antonio Brown? Maybe if we are the best trade partner. He will be a big CAP number but a "John Pardo" type parting gift for TB. Hell No

Possible realistic BB FA targets:

Bill will go bargain basement this year No for any of this. All this is coming from the draft.

Tyrann Mathieu S- OK Well this ONE might be a little more expensive. Our best play making S is Harmon and he doesn't start. I think Mattheu takes a little less to play here and Romeo and Billy play a similar D game in Houston.

Jamison Crowder WR- Should be cheaper because of injuries in 2018. Prior to that he compared to Diggs from the Vikings. Crowder is also terrific in punt returns. Only 26 and a Duke grad,

• Diggs - 3 years / 40 games / 200 catches / 2,472 receiving yards / 15 TDs / 12.4 yards-per-catch
• Crowder - 3 years / 47 games / 192 catches / 2,240 receiving yards / 12 TDs / 11.7 yards-per-catch

Henry Anderson DL-This guy was a force for the Jets last year. They want to resign him. He played well against us. 7 Sacks from the inside last year. Only 27 . 6'6" and 300 lbs. He seems like a typical below the radar guy for the Pats.

Chris Conley WR- fast and a terrific blocker. 6"3" and 205. Unselfish that BB requires. The size WR the Pats need. 5 TD's is 2018. 26 years old. Melds fine with the other GA kids. 4.35 speed.

Tyler Eifert TE- An injury gamble that BB has always taken a shot with. Pro Bowl ability when healthy.

Corey Liuget DT-See above

Shaquil Barrett LB "Barrett has produced. Besides that, he’s been exceptional in run defense. According to Pro Football Focus (subscription required), Barrett was the No. 17 rated edge defender in run defense this past season. At only 26 years old, he offers tremendous versatility"

Tre Boston S- "Boston was PFF’s No. 24 rated safety last season and was small consolation on a weak Arizona defense. He also had a 78.2 coverage grade, good enough to be the No. 19 rated safety in that category. Our Safeties lack coverage".

Jared Cook TE- He is 33 but still playing at a high level. Was the Raiders best receiver last year. If Gronk comes back, Cook can receive a lot of targets. Not an overwhelming blocker.

Amendola WR

THE DRAFT after all of this above (just for giggles) : I don't know the players that well...but my order is TE, DT, WR, WR, S, DT, whatever

First round: 32nd overall – To the Cards for Rosen. QB box checked
Second: 56th overall –To Steelers for Antonio Brown or if not, Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State (injured 1rst rounder)
Second: 64th overall –Deebo Samuel, WR, South Carolina
Third: 73rd overall – To Redskins for Kerrigan or if not Jaylon Ferguson, EDGE, Louisiana Tech
Third: 97th overall -Amani Hooker, S, Iowa
Third: 101st overall - JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford

We won't get near a top rated TE in the Draft. I would take a shot with Kahale Warring of San Diego State.

Thoughts?
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[Joey007]

There are some hot takes in here. I don't think many of them will come true.

I didn’t see the ritual Calvin Johnson trade on here. I think ole’ DW is going soft on us.

 

[Chevrolet]

The Pats will lose some valuable personnel. They will get some back and might make some trades.

Resigns:

Trent Brown-Why? An intact O Line is a stable O Line. Wynn is coming off an injury. Too early to say if he is the instant successor to Brown. Let him be the swing Tackle/Guard this year and take Waddle's place. A one year extension.

Corradell Patterson-Why? Still young. Still fast and produced in a limited role. Should be inexpensive. We need WR bodies. Good locker room kid.

Phillip Dorsett- Why? Produced in a limited role. Still young. Fast. Maybe ascending. The anti-Diva WR.

John Simon-Played a lot after his acquisition. Put up some QB pressure. Can he be Nink or Vrabel?

Gostkowski- Has his bad moments but better than most

Ryan Allen-A little underrated.

Danny Shelton-Only 25. One start this year. 21 tackles. Brown had 14 starts and only had 35 tackles, his lowest amount as a Patriot. They need to retain at least one of these cloggers.

If Gordon gets a clean bill of health from rehab, he is a RFA . Sign him to a prove it.

Jonathan Jones. RFA one year deal.

Jeremy Hill-Showed enough for a one year deal.

Possible cuts:

Devin McCourty- Thinking retirement-$9mm is way too much, He has been mediocre the last two years but he does get the DBs lined up. Or contract reconstruct.

Dur0n Harmon-You cut McCourty , you keep Harmon. If not a one year deal

Possible Trades:

Donta Hightower- Better playoff player than regulars season. Started off terrible this year but improved.
Tough call but his CAP number is a factor and will not take a pay cut. $7mm is not crazy in today's numbers, so his contract is friendly. Hightower or MCourty should be moved.

Marcus Cannon-If you resign Brown, who I think played better than Cannon, and then plug Wynn in there.Cannon is at $5.5 mm.

Josh Rosen from Cards. McDaniels liked him. A block of clay to mold for a couple years watching TB12. #32 might be the best the Cardinals get. BB would have traded #32 anyway.Is he a better QB than any BB can get at #32? YES.

Shockeroo....Ryan Kerrigan from Redskins. He is 30 years old but playing at a high level. Plays the Ninc roll on the skins. Started every game since 2011. 13 Sacks on a poor Skins D last year. Averages 10.5 Sacks per year. He is the perfect NE Patriot mold. He is $11.5mm per year. At least $5mm less than Flowers who has less production. The Skins are rebuilding and without a QB. They could use a Pats high pick.

Antonio Brown? Maybe if we are the best trade partner. He will be a big CAP number but a "John Pardo" type parting gift for TB.

Possible realistic BB FA targets:

Bill will go bargain basement this year

Tyrann Mathieu S- OK Well this ONE might be a little more expensive. Our best play making S is Harmon and he doesn't start. I think Mattheu takes a little less to play here and Romeo and Billy play a similar D game in Houston.

Jamison Crowder WR- Should be cheaper because of injuries in 2018. Prior to that he compared to Diggs from the Vikings. Crowder is also terrific in punt returns. Only 26 and a Duke grad,

• Diggs - 3 years / 40 games / 200 catches / 2,472 receiving yards / 15 TDs / 12.4 yards-per-catch
• Crowder - 3 years / 47 games / 192 catches / 2,240 receiving yards / 12 TDs / 11.7 yards-per-catch

Henry Anderson DL-This guy was a force for the Jets last year. They want to resign him. He played well against us. 7 Sacks from the inside last year. Only 27 . 6'6" and 300 lbs. He seems like a typical below the radar guy for the Pats.

Chris Conley WR- fast and a terrific blocker. 6"3" and 205. Unselfish that BB requires. The size WR the Pats need. 5 TD's is 2018. 26 years old. Melds fine with the other GA kids. 4.35 speed.

Tyler Eifert TE- An injury gamble that BB has always taken a shot with. Pro Bowl ability when healthy.

Corey Liuget DT-See above

Shaquil Barrett LB "Barrett has produced. Besides that, he’s been exceptional in run defense. According to Pro Football Focus (subscription required), Barrett was the No. 17 rated edge defender in run defense this past season. At only 26 years old, he offers tremendous versatility"

Tre Boston S- "Boston was PFF’s No. 24 rated safety last season and was small consolation on a weak Arizona defense. He also had a 78.2 coverage grade, good enough to be the No. 19 rated safety in that category. Our Safeties lack coverage".

Jared Cook TE- He is 33 but still playing at a high level. Was the Raiders best receiver last year. If Gronk comes back, Cook can receive a lot of targets. Not an overwhelming blocker.

Amendola WR

THE DRAFT after all of this above (just for giggles) :

First round: 32nd overall – To the Cards for Rosen. QB box checked
Second: 56th overall –To Steelers for Antonio Brown or if not, Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State (injured 1rst rounder)
Second: 64th overall –Deebo Samuel, WR, South Carolina
Third: 73rd overall – To Redskins for Kerrigan or if not Jaylon Ferguson, EDGE, Louisiana Tech
Third: 97th overall -Amani Hooker, S, Iowa
Third: 101st overall - JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford

We won't get near a top rated TE in the Draft. I would take a shot with Kahale Warring of San Diego State.

Thoughts?
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-Trent Brown will not be resigned. Scar is our OL coach and can replace for a lot less than 14M
-CP- versatile swiss army knife that Mcdaniels loves YES he will be resigned. more valuable to Pats than other teams
- Josh Rosen makes no sense to trade for. By the time Brady retires Rosen will be ready for UFA and will not have had a chance to show what he can do.
-Antonio Brown- no way, he is the most self centered clueless WR and he is now 31, not worth the hedaches
- Kerrigan great player but already on back 9 of his career. BB looks for ascending players

FA targets- On your list the most likely are Crowder, Anderson Conley and Barret. The others will be too rich for Patriots wallet

Draft:

Wishful thinking, hope some of these guys are available. I would love to see them pick Isabella at bottom of 2nd

 

[jah]

I didn’t see the ritual Calvin Johnson trade on here. I think ole’ DW is going soft on us.

No Larry either.

 

[maust]

Dur0n Harmon-You cut McCourty , you keep Harmon. If not a one year deal

There's plenty in the OP I disagree with but I can't help but feel if I could hear the 'logic' behind that one I'd at least understand what's driving the bus on some of the rest of them.
Consider for a moment, Harmon has 2 years to go on a very reasonable contract and cutting him would be threatening him with a good time while only netting $2.25M back to the cap that wouldn't let you sign 1/4 of the player gives you zero leverage. How do you turn that into a one year deal that somehow works in your favor?

 

[DW Toys]

• Trent Brown is looking at Solder money, which i can't see us paying.
• Cards will get a better offer i imagine than #32
• Steelers won't give us brown and i'd rather not have him, even though his cap is reasonable
• D-Mac is staying. He's the leader of the secondary. There's no one to replace him.
• Give me HT over Kerrigan all day long. I'd rather have a clutch playoff player than a regular season guy.
• I'm struggling to understand how our safeties are poor in coverage?
• Cannon stays unless Trent Brown stays for under 10m Cap.. That's not going to happen.

I appreciate the effort but this is poor attempt.

Thank you for your comments. I think that Brown will take cheaper than Solder in my opinion. We have a shot with him but unfortunately not Flowers.

I can't see these Teams in th 1-20 range using 1st round capital for Rosen. The Giants, Denver, Jax, Miami or Washington. Our competition sweet spot would be Green Bay with two 1st rounders going for a Rodgers back up or San Diego. I think the new GB coach will defer on a Rodgers replacement just yet, which leaves San Diego.

I think Washington goes veteran because they have invested in Smith. To my opinion, they could spend perhaps their 3rd Round Comp for Case Keenum, who has the same type of skill set as Alex Smith and is only on contract for 2019......so a bridge until Smith heals. In actuality Keenum had some better stats this past year than when with the Vikes playoff Team. The Giants seem to be buying into Haskins. Elway is infatuated with Locke behind Flaco. He needs to move Keenum. Jax is all over Foles. As far as Miami, I think Flores will see what happened to defensive Wilks and perhaps look at Brdgewater rather than an unproven Rookie or a QB he has to reform like Rosen.

I think we are the only first rounder possibility and would BB do that? Let's think logically. I would say this has to be the years we Draft a QB to groom who's name is not Effling. Rosen is still a talent. The best thing was he got NFL reps under his belt. Now correct what he did wrong.

Wilks was a Defensive guy so that did not help structure Rosen.

I can see you are a true-blue D. McCourty guy. I think Jason outplayed him mostly. He has one foot out the door as well. He even said he has nothing more to accomplish in the sport. You have to admit he has slipped. He does keep everything alligned in the D Backfield but there are better players for this spot. You surely can replace him. Honey Badger comes to mind.

Kind of hard to judge Kerrigan if he has never been exposed to many playoff gigs. He is not to be Hightower replacement (?) but more of the Flowers replacement. Never missed a game. Great worker. Productive and $5mm less than Flowers lowest ask with more sacks (13-7.5) than Flowers.

Former Pats Safety Harrison (who does not mince words) called current Patriots safety and defensive captain Devin McCourty “a liability in coverage,” who had struggled to even keep up with TE. This was 3/4 through the 2018 season. I admit the whole defense gelled late but I do not give McCourty a free pass as do you. He's $9mm and replaceable. Interesting to note they had Jonathan Jones playing a lot of Safety in the Superbowl. They are about the same size. I think McCourty is worth about what the pay Harmon. I like McCourty. Just think we over rate him here.

I agree with you on the $10mm for Brown and Cannon idea.
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[DW Toys]

There's plenty in the OP I disagree with but I can't help but feel if I could hear the 'logic' behind that one I'd at least understand what's driving the bus on some of the rest of them.
Consider for a moment, Harmon has 2 years to go on a very reasonable contract and cutting him would be threatening him with a good time while only netting $2.25M back to the cap that wouldn't let you sign 1/4 of the player gives you zero leverage. How do you turn that into a one year deal that somehow works in your favor?

As I said I think Harmon is our best play maker at Safety. I listed trades as a possibility. Look at it this way; When BB got Harrison, he cut Miloy as a financial matter. I hayed that move but it worked out. So what oif we get a Honey Badger or a Tre Boston which in my opinion is an upgrade, do we keep all of our guys or do we trade of release someone?

Here is a simple yes or no. If we could get 26 year old Matheiu for a few million dollars less than the $9mm we are paying McCourty (and to get some more help) would you do it?
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[Snooky97]

Thank you for your comments. I think that Brown will take cheaper than Solder in my opinion. We have a shot with him but unfortunately not Flowers.

I can't see these Teams in th 1-20 range using 1st round capital for Rosen. The Giants, Denver, Jax, Miami or Washington. Our competition sweet spot would be Green Bay with two 1st rounders going for a Rodgers back up or San Diego. I think the new GB coach will defer on a Rodgers replacement just yet, which leaves San Diego.

I think Washington goes veteran because they have invested in Smith. To my opinion, they could spend perhaps their 3rd Round Comp for Case Keenum, who has the same type of skill set as Alex Smith and is only on contract for 2019......so a bridge until Smith heals. In actuality Keenum had some better stats this past year than when with the Vikes playoff Team. The Giants seem to be buying into Haskins. Elway is infatuated with Locke behind Flaco. He needs to move Keenum. Jax is all over Foles. As far as Miami, I think Flores will see what happened to defensive Wilks and perhaps look at Brdgewater rather than an unproven Rookie or a QB he has to reform like Rosen.

I think we are the only first rounder possibility and would BB do that? Let's think logically. I would say this has to be the years we Draft a QB to groom who's name is not Effling. Rosen is still a talent. The best thing was he got NFL reps under his belt. Now correct what he did wrong.

Wilks was a Defensive guy so that did not help structure Rosen.

I can see you are a true-blue D. McCourty guy. I think Jason outplayed him mostly. He has one foot out the door as well. He even said he has nothing more to accomplish in the sport. You have to admit he has slipped. He does keep everything alligned in the D Backfield but there are better players for this spot. You surely can replace him. Honey Badger comes to mind.

Kind of hard to judge Kerrigan if he has never been exposed to many playoff gigs. He is not to be Hightower replacement (?) but more of the Flowers replacement. Never missed a game. Great worker. Productive and $5mm less than Flowers lowest ask with more sacks (13-7.5) than Flowers.

Former Pats Safety Harrison (who does not mince words) called current Patriots safety and defensive captain Devin McCourty “a liability in coverage,” who had struggled to even keep up with TE. This was 3/4 through the 2018 season. I admit the whole defense gelled late but I do not give McCourty a free pass as do you. He's $9mm and replaceable. Interesting to note they had Jonathan Jones playing a lot of Safety in the Superbowl. They are about the same size. I think McCourty is worth about what the pay Harmon. I like McCourty. Just think we over rate him here.

I agree with you on the $10mm for Brown and Cannon idea.
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The thing with Smith he is 34 and is closer to retirement age than prime football, especially with that recent knee/leg injury.

I agree that Rosen is a talent, but i just can't see us trading for him. More than happy to be wrong as like i said he's talented.

I Don't think D-Mac will play under his current cap hit, i can see him restructuring his contract, so that maybe J-Mac can come back and play alongside him again. My reason for keeping him, is we have no one with the experience and leadership in the important stages like he does. If we had someone young coming through then i'd be happier with agreeing about the D-Mac statement, but i just can't justify in cutting him when there's no guy who will be able to do what he does. I think it's the leadership he gives for that back end that cannot be underestimated.

Kerrigan i just can't see us going for him, unless he wants to Restruct his contract to make it more team friendly. The other thing is BB doesn't care about Sacks, he likes pressure to create turnovers rather than Sacks.

I just think that Brown will command to much money on the free agent market, so we just won't be able to do the deal.

 

[Zuma]

As I said I think Harmon is our best play maker at Safety.

 

[maust]

As I said I think Harmon is our best play maker at Safety. I listed trades as a possibility. Look at it this way; When BB got Harrison, he cut Miloy as a financial matter. I hayed that move but it worked out. So what oif we get a Honey Badger or a Tre Boston which in my opinion is an upgrade, do we keep all of our guys or do we trade of release someone?

Here is a simple yes or no. If we could get 26 year old Matheiu for a few million dollars less than the $9mm we are paying McCourty (and to get some more help) would you do it?
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WTH does that have to do with cutting Harmon or somehow converting his quite affordable two year deal to a one year deal?

 

[dtbrks]

You lost me with “Rosen”