Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[ivanvamp]

For those interested, here’s an interesting piece on the porn/prostitution distinction:
CNN.com - The legal line between porn and prostitution - Aug 12, 2005

Interesting. So it appears based on the distinctions and definitions used, that if you paid for a prostitute for someone else and you simply watched, it’s no longer illegal.

Which of course... makes zero sense.

 

[Hyped]

He wouldn't have been the next Montana, of course, but if he hadn't gotten injured the AFCE would have been rather more competitive.

He's the only QB other than Brady to win an AFCE division crown from 2001-2018....

 

[moosekill]

Not the same thing at all, They had a warrant to gather evidence in an investigation from a judge. Kraft was taped breaking the law before leaving for the car ride and was stopped to have his id verified.

Oh wait, you are a lawyer?

 

[NormZauchin]

At that point, Kraft is a "person of interest" regarding the investigation of a crime. Cops can legally ID a person of interest without identifying him as a criminal or even notifying him that he is indeed a person of interest. They perhaps had been told that a guy who looked a lot like Kraft has entered the place, left the place, and what happened in-between was on tape.

What if Kraft later says "That's not me on tape! I'd never do that. I was nowhere near that place. There are lots of slightly stocky older white men in Florida who look like the person on that tape".

Well, they are ready for that precisely due to the stop. The cops then have a record of him being in the vicinity of the crime within minutes of the time stamp on the tapes. They have a record of him giving identification, a record of the licence number for the vehicle, an ID for the driver. It is game, set, and match for putting RK at the scene of the crime.

I am not a lawyer or a police officer, but to this citizen, the actions of the cops with respect to Kraft seem proper and justified.

I do have some concerns regarding the cops allowing the trafficking to continue for a month to gain a critical mass of big name johns in the bag. That's a tough call, though. You have to balance the need to stop the trafficking with the need to have sufficient evidence to nail the traffickers. This concern is a bit tangential to Kraft, though, since he has no known responsibility for the trafficking that was likely going on amongst other women working there.

Is this like Larry Fitzgerald being a "person of interest" every year on the PatsFans website?

 

[moosekill]

I would think it would completely depend. If they simply stopped all cars leaving the establishment it will be thrown out. If the officers watched the deeds being done, then radioed down to other patrolmen that the old guy getting in the fancy car was caught on film doing something, stop him and get his id, then it might. I don't know and don't really care.

In Maine they had a big prostitution bust a few years back. A zoomba "instructor" in her studio was doing it. The police only prosecuted the guys who they had more than one image of and they could positively ID them with the pictures and records she kept. It isn't a slam dunk no matter what you might think, especially since these are minor cases as far as the DA's go, and my guess is Kraft will have one of the top lawyers in the country, with an unlimited amount of money to fight it.

 

[Jackson 2]

We lost a well respected coach over this so far.

Are you referring to Easterby? If this team, or any other, can't survive the loss of a chaplain that team deserves every ounce of crap that comes down the line. Thanks, but I'd rather have another great TE or pass rusher. If Easterby was actually the great Christian he seems to be portrayed as, he wouldn't have bailed on Kraft in a time of crisis. He'd have reached out to him in a time of great need. Good riddance.

 

[Wheelman]

S.F. Giants CEO and his wife:

What a dumbass, if he wanted that phone or whatever, he could have just ripped it out of her hand.

 

[Bill Lee]

It isn't a slam dunk no matter what you might think, especially since these are minor cases as far as the DA's go, and my guess is Kraft will have one of the top lawyers in the country, with an unlimited amount of money to fight it.

My guess is Kraft's goal is to walk away with a clean record without going to court, and he's ok with paying fines and doing some community service to achieve that. A good lawyer and a not guilty plea is a step in that direction.

My guess is the LE community got the public shaming of a powerful billionaire they wanted, and all the public awareness that went with that, and they simply cannot tie him to a human trafficking charge, so they'll be ok with letting him take the route all other first time offenders get: pay your fine, do your service, and you end up with a clean record.

In the mean time, maybe @Ian can take up a collection to pay for a few petabytes of storage so he doesn't have to erase the rest of patsfan.com to make room for this massive BK BJ HJ tread.

 

[DaBruinz]

Easterby re-tweeted something that seems to portend that idea, but again, if he's supposed to be the Christian in the room, I'm not sure leaving over something like this really aligns. Like I said, his MAIN job this past season was to keep Gordon on the straight and narrow. Not really sure we lost much there. I'm much more concerned about losing the likes of Flores and Daly.

But of course, this entire debacle has been blown way out of proportion from the start, so why stop now?

I just scrolled through Easterby's twitter and didn't see anything that might "portend the idea". That's why I asked for a link. It's not hard to link to twitter.

 

[signbabybrady]

I heard that the cameras were installed on Jan 15. Kraft then visited on Jan 19th & 20th. He just happened to go at the wrong time

My guess is he might have been a rather frequent visitor.

 

[Joker]

So...the paperboy jaywalked this morning bringing me my paper... I immediately call the police demanding a response by the tactical SWAT unit...after all, a crime is a crime. Ain't that right?

 

[Bledsoehasaring]

Are you referring to Easterby? If this team, or any other, can't survive the loss of a chaplain that team deserves every ounce of crap that comes down the line. Thanks, but I'd rather have another great TE or pass rusher. If Easterby was actually the great Christian he seems to be portrayed as, he wouldn't have bailed on Kraft in a time of crisis. He'd have reached out to him in a time of great need. Good riddance.

Haha the irony of your statement. Easterby was hired partly to make sure they had a system in place to make sure guys like Aaron Hernandez never happened again. You got you wish just in reverse. Aaron was a “great TE”.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I've got it--the NFL penalty, if Kraft is found guilty, is that the team must return to the Pat Patriot unis and theme!! (Supposedly lowest selling team gear at one time back then--so that will hit him in the pocketbook--and make all of the diehard old time fans happy ).

"Lowest selling team gear" was one of the lame excuses for Orthwein/Kraft raping our history and fan base, in 1993. In the wake of four inevitably horrible, losing seasons after the foolish release of Flutie, and the inevitable, galactic financial collapse of the Sullivan/Kiam ownership.

Kraft employed typical corporate ignorance to justify his thinly veiled hatred of Sullivan by promoting the f.e. as "New, Different, Exciting, The Look Of The Nineties!!!"

He just got lucky with Brady

And used Tom & Bill's success to justify everything he did.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I’ve been looking at video of times kraft spoke. He’s not all there at times. I am not trying to downplay it by mentality. I’ve just been pondering the “what if’s”.

The guy was not "all there" when he ruined our uniforms, or when he compared Bledsoe to Ted Williams and Bill Russell.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Really? Have you ever been to an NFL game? Have you EVER heard an entire stadium chant a joke about the opposing team owner?

... thinking of Charles O. Finley back in the day

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

The guy was not "all there" when he ruined our uniforms, or when he compared Bledsoe to Ted Williams and Bill Russell.

He should have compared Bledsoe to Wally Pipp.....

 

[PittPatriot]

But it’s a crime in the category of speeding since it’s in the misdemeanor category.

I don’t think Kraft has done well after losing Myra.

I actually didn’t know who Myra Kraft was until her death. I live in the Midwest.
I feel like the Krafts really glorified her and her death “my sweetheart,” etc.
I wonder if that was legit or if it was just more marketing, public relations, etc.
I don’t know what to make of these things.

 

[PittPatriot]

What a dumbass, if he wanted that phone or whatever, he could have just ripped it out of her hand.

It’s a husband and wife thing...not sure why she’s screaming for all of San Francisco to hear.
Is this also considered domestic abuse?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I actually didn’t know who Myra Kraft was until her death. I live in the Midwest.
I feel like the Krafts really glorified her and her death “my sweetheart,” etc.
I wonder if that was legit or if it was just more marketing, public relations, etc.
I don’t know what to make of these things.

Myra is the real deal in philanthropy.

Robert continues this to some extent; Unfortunately, since he bought the team he has always insisted on handing out those ugly blue jerseys to anyone and everyone in sight.

 

[Ivan]

"Lowest selling team gear" was one of the lame excuses for Orthwein/Kraft raping our history and fan base, in 1993. In the wake of four inevitably horrible, losing seasons after the foolish release of Flutie, and the inevitable, galactic financial collapse of the Sullivan/Kiam ownership.

Kraft employed typical corporate ignorance to justify his thinly veiled hatred of Sullivan by promoting the f.e. as "New, Different, Exciting, The Look Of The Nineties!!!"

He just got lucky with Brady

And used Tom & Bill's success to justify everything he did.

I’m no fan of Bob Kraft but this take is flat out stupid.