They’re writing us off again.

[RobertWeathers]

I’m not saying he had a bad year. Neither does the article. It says his stats declined. They did. This fan base gets worked up over everything.

Which stats? The obscure ones he calls out?

The flaw in the author's analysis is he doesn't take into account how screwed up the receiving situation was this year.

I think you need to re-read the article.

 

[BradyFTW!]

People can write whatever they want, as far as all the 'Brady in decline' stuff goes, it may or may not be true. I can't confidently state that it's not, but I just think it's hard to separate his individual performance from the people he's throwing to. This is his worst receiving corps since 2013, and also his worst statistical performance since 2013, and clearly that's not a coincidence.

Maybe this year was the start of a steady decline. Maybe improving the weapons in the offense would lead to an immediate rebound to 2017 production. I think either's a distinct possibility, and I don't trust anyone writing for Bleacher Report to have any special insight into which it is.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Ummm....okay.

You might have missed this but Brady won and the critics/haters lost in a blowout. He is the #1 QB of all-time on virtually every list by an actual publication. He has won 5 SBs (record), 4 SB MVPs (record), 8 conference championships (record), 235 games (record), and has lapped the field in every stat/win category for playoffs and Super Bowls, with essentially 2X as many yards and touchdowns in playoffs and Super Bowls. He has 27 playoff wins. He has three MVPs, 14 pro bowls (tied for record), and will soon be passing Manning (perhaps with Brees) for the most yards and TDs in NFL history.

He owns every record and accomplishment in NFL quarterbacking, and he’s just putting more distance between him and the field.

So who gives a crap about what his haters are doing? Most of them are probably dead, waiting at some point in the last 20 years to say “told you so.” The rest will die before another quarterback is in the conversation as GOAT again. Being a Brady hater was not a good investment.

They kept writing off the old Celtics right up until Russell retired.

And they're gonna do the same thing right up until Tom retires.

And the Patriots, like the Celtics, will rise up and keep on winning titles.

 

[203Pat]

Which stats? The obscure ones he calls out?

The flaw in the author's analysis is he doesn't take into account how screwed up the receiving situation was this year.

I think you need to re-read the article.

Highest INT rate and lowest TD’s since 2013.
Fewest yards per attempt and game.
Lowest passer rating since 2014.

I won’t bother getting into the random next gen stats he stated but I don’t know how it can be an argument that his stats didn’t decline. It’s black and white.

 

[Tony2046]

Highest INT rate and lowest TD’s since 2013.
Fewest yards per attempt and game.
Lowest passer rating since 2014.

I won’t bother getting into the random next gen stats he stated but I don’t know how it can be an argument that his stats didn’t decline. It’s black and white.

Stats are nothing without context.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Highest INT rate and lowest TD’s since 2013.
Fewest yards per attempt and game.
Lowest passer rating since 2014.

I won’t bother getting into the random next gen stats he stated but I don’t know how it can be an argument that his stats didn’t decline. It’s black and white.

So you subscribe to the only reason his stats went down were because of his age/ decline in his physical & mental abilities?

 

[Chevrolet]

People can write whatever they want, as far as all the 'Brady in decline' stuff goes, it may or may not be true. I can't confidently state that it's not, but I just think it's hard to separate his individual performance from the people he's throwing to. This is his worst receiving corps since 2013, and also his worst statistical performance since 2013, and clearly that's not a coincidence.

Maybe this year was the start of a steady decline. Maybe improving the weapons in the offense would lead to an immediate rebound to 2017 production. I think either's a distinct possibility, and I don't trust anyone writing for Bleacher Report to have any special insight into which it is.

The receiving corp is likely a contributor, however Brady had an arguably worse receiving corps back in 2006 and was much more consistent. Its NOT all about stats. He is 41 and it is not surprising that some of his mototr skills may not be as good as at 25. However he still has unmatched experience and knowledge and I would take Tom Brady in Foxboro in 2019 over just about any other quarterback On the road, its a different story and I do not think it is heresy to say that this season Tom's performance on the road has been top 12 but not top 5 worthy. When you look at Mahomes, Russel Wilson, Drew Brees this year they just seem to be more accurate and consistent. It is NOT a knock on Tom. He is 41 and still pretty darned good.

 

[Ring 6]

Highest INT rate and lowest TD’s since 2013.
Fewest yards per attempt and game.
Lowest passer rating since 2014.

I won’t bother getting into the random next gen stats he stated but I don’t know how it can be an argument that his stats didn’t decline. It’s black and white.

You are cherry picking.
Anyone watching the patriots know the int stat is a fluke.
Offensive TDs are the sand as the last 4 years. Running a couple in instead of throwing them isn’t a sign of decline.
Passer rating isn’t a stat. It’s a concocted formula that is essentially meaningless.

Ypa and ypg are higher than his career average.

The ridiculous next gen crap isn’t showing a decline because its a single set of stats with nothing to compare it to.

The article is garbage.

 

[203Pat]

So you subscribe to the only reason his stats went down were because of his age/ decline in his physical & mental abilities?

No I’ve said it all year I don’t think he’s lost much if anything physical. I think a lot of his poorer performances were due to him getting happy feet and falling away from throws. What I was arguing is that the article isn’t saying anything crazy. He did statically decline. The headline gets everyone all riled up and the author does claim that Brady’s physical skills are diminishing, which I disagree with, but this is far from the hit piece everyone is acting like it is.

 

[Ring 6]

The receiving corp is likely a contributor, however Brady had an arguably worse receiving corps back in 2006 and was much more consistent.

2006 Brady at 29......2018 brady at 41

61.8% complete.........65.8
3539 yards........4355
24 td......29
12 int.....11
220 ypg.....272

Oops

 

[maust]

I was going to post this same thread, but with a different title.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No I’ve said it all year I don’t think he’s lost much if anything physical. I think a lot of his poorer performances were due to him getting happy feet and falling away from throws. What I was arguing is that the article isn’t saying anything crazy. He did statically decline. The headline gets everyone all riled up and the author does claim that Brady’s physical skills are diminishing, which I disagree with, but this is far from the hit piece everyone is acting like it is.

But thats the issue the "fan base" has. It's the incomplete analysis and the conclusion unjustified.

You are citing the reasons for Tom's statistical decline are attributed to poor fundamentals and mechanics. I don't necessarily agree but at least there are examples on film that show that.

The article's opinion was his numbers are down because hes old and without acknowledging the cluster**** at the receiver position his analysis is heavily flawed.

 

[maust]

The receiving corp is likely a contributor, however Brady had an arguably worse receiving corps back in 2006 and was much more consistent.

What????
Did you watch the 2006 Patriots? Heck, have you ever even looked at their stats?

 

[Soliel]

No Jules for 4 games
No cooks
No dola
No Dion
Integrating Cord
Integrating Josh
Re-integrating Jules
Rigamortis Gronk
Allan a big fat zero in the passing game
Integrating Sony
Hogan & Dorsett average
Integrating Burk

Are people actually up his ass for 65% 4300 29tds? 98 rating AT 41 YEARS OLD!?

The fact he threw for what he did is a goddamn miracle.

I agree completely. Now, I didn’t know how it would wash out but anyone with a functioning brain should know the fact that stats would decline and likely steeply so. You just can’t replace that much offensive firepower in one year even if we nail the draft last year. I could go find the stats and be exact but if memory serves, cooks was in the 1000 yard range. Just that is enough to try and replace. Take dola and Lewis and now it’s 2000

 

[CISGS]

Couldn’t say it any better. Take away 5 flukey interceptions and his stats are already on par with the last few years. Put Cooks, Amendola, and Lewis on the 2018 team and a 100% Gronk, even take away Edelman, and there any question he wouldn’t have matched, if not exceeded, his 2017 MVP season?

The criticism is beyond idiotic. It was really obvious when Favre and Manning hit the cliff. This is not a cliff or even a decline. It’s a similar season to last year (MVP) with all the factors you mentioned accounting for the difference, plus those fluke interceptions.

Agree 100%.

What is so wild to me is that IMO 2 of the biggest successes of his career was dragging that 2011 ****hole of a defense to a Super Bowl and burning Philly for 505 yards at 40 years old lol. But all people say is “Bahhhhhh Nick Foles, bahhhhh he dropped it”. People are just dumb af.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree completely. Now, I didn’t know how it would wash out but anyone with a functioning brain should know the fact that stats would decline and likely steeply so. You just can’t replace that much offensive firepower in one year even if we nail the draft last year.

We've seen this before. 2012 to 2013.

Gronk on IR, Lloyd, Welker, AH gone from 2012 team and Tom had a tough year.

 

[brdmaverick]

The best failed prediction up to now, in my opinion, was Kellerman's SB 51 halftime Tweet:

" Cliff"



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That blow hard thought he had finally won the cliff argument only to have Brady shove it right back up Kellerman's ass. Hahaha

And as if losing in the super bowl is a ‘gotchya’ moment...... that guy is disgusting

 

[brdmaverick]

This just in.......stats of league mvps tend to be lower a year after winning the award

 

[Gwedd]

Let them write the Patriots off. That's fine by me.

New England got the 2-seed, and the first round bye. If the Colts can knock off the Chiefs, then the AFCG game is once again through Gillette. I don't fear the Chiefs. I respect them, but this team beat them once, and I believe that they can do it again.

And if New England should lose? Stuff happens. They will start the rebuilding process early, and we will all look forward to next year.

I really want New England to get that 6th Lombardi, but I can accept a loss if it happens. I won't like it, but life goes on.

 

[patsfan13]

He’s 10-7 in below 40 games.....so he’s going to be ok.....doesn’t matter though.....I think the pats will show more toughness Sunday than they have all year. I would not be surprised if there wasn’t a fair amount of sandbagging this season

This game will be played in the 20’s low 20’s high teens wind chill. Whole different deal than below 40, just sayin.