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Upset of the century? Plucky, untalented system QB defeats undisputed GOAT

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Honestly, for those of you who think Mike McCarthy is a great head coach just look at what he’s done over the past 8 seasons. He’s got one of the top 5 QBs of all time

No, he doesn't have one of the top 5 QBs of all time.
 
When people say someone has got all the physical tools over another QB, they are talking about athleticism and arm strength. But there's so much more to the position of QB. Like a quick release. Like accuracy. Like reading defenses and making quick decisions. Like moving around the pocket and avoiding the rush. Like having the guts to keep your eyes downfield when mayhem is going on all around you. Like making short throws that put your slot guys and backs in maximal position to gain yards. Like refusing to lose and being a leader.

When I look at those criteria, I actually put Dan Marino at #3, because he only failed at the last criteria, and it was a big one. He was the Philip Rivers of his day, getting angry and constantly chewing out teammates. But Marino could do everything else incredibly well. I think he was a better thrower than Rodgers too.

1. Brady (all the criteria except running outside the pocket).
2. Montana (all the criteria except a strong arm)
3. Marino (a hothead)
4. Manning (sometimes gutless)
5. Brees (all the criteria except a strong arm, like Montana without the wins)
6. Young (great accuracy, very mobile, did not command the pocket, got hurt often)
7. Rodgers (he can do everything, but even at the age of 34, legacy is skimpy)

Those are my 7. After that, you can bring up Staubach, Bradshaw, etc., but I think they are just behind the top 7. Bradshaw had an Aikman like career, Staubach was steady and a winner, but not spectacular. As for Elway, it took him until the age of 37 to look like one of the best, and I'm not going to credit him for 2 fantastic seasons only, because before that Elway was one of the most inaccurate QBs in the league. He used to frequently drive the ball into the ground on regular flareouts. He may be in my top 10, but just barely

Notice that I did not highlight victories as one of the key criteria. If I had, Marino would not be #3.

The top 8 QBs of all time are locked in. The line starts at #9. The 8, in no particular order, are:

Brady
Montana
Starr
Baugh
Graham
Unitas
Staubach
Young
 
The top 8 QBs of all time are locked in. The line starts at #9. The 8, in no particular order, are:

Brady
Montana
Starr
Baugh
Graham
Unitas
Staubach
Young

Starr, Baugh, Graham, Unitas, before my time. I'm judging them by what I saw when they played. Staubach I did see, but would rather have Young if I had to pick a team.
 
Not a bad list but it overlooks one of the key strengths for a QB, coming through in the clutch. It's one of the main reasons why I'd move Rodgers down, in spite of his talent and replace him with someone like Roethlisberger, or even Russell Wilson (in a few years).

I also don't know where to draw the line historically. If I had to pick a QB then Johnny Unitas would rank right up near the top, as would Bart Starr, Ken Stabler and Warren Moon. Hell, if you want to go back far enough Otto Graham could be at the top of the list.

It's tough to make out any list of great QBs.

Just curious: why do you think I overlooked that?

Post 2006, Manning was deadly in comebacks. Marino was a comeback king.
 
The top 8 QBs of all time are locked in. The line starts at #9. The 8, in no particular order, are:

Brady
Montana
Starr
Baugh
Graham
Unitas
Staubach
Young

Young over Manning, Marino, Brees, Elway or Favre? Lol
 
Then he should be the OC, not the HC
ummm McCarthy calls the plays. he gave it uptemporarily and it was dumpster fire. hes not a bad head coach either...his team has done well enough. not the GOAT tho
 
Starr, Baugh, Graham, Unitas, before my time. I'm judging them by what I saw when they played. Staubach I did see, but would rather have Young if I had to pick a team.

Fans and analysts have done the G.O.A.T. thing a gazillion times. What we should probably be doing is the G.O.T.S.B.E. (Greatest of the Super Bowl era). That would probably lead to a more fluid top 10, and it would certainly be a list that's a bit more easily analyzed because of the game being more similar. Hell, today's game is radically different from what was being played even in 2004, which is radically different from pre free agency football, and pre SB era football is almost a completely different sport.

But, since the measure laid down was G.O.A.T., Starr, Baugh, Graham and Unitas are must haves.
 
Fans and analysts have done the G.O.A.T. thing a gazillion times. What we should probably be doing is the G.O.T.S.B.E. (Greatest of the Super Bowl era). That would probably lead to a more fluid top 10, and it would certainly be a list that's a bit more easily analyzed because of the game being more similar. Hell, today's game is radically different from what was being played even in 2004, which is radically different from pre free agency football, and pre SB era football is almost a completely different sport.

But, since the measure laid down was G.O.A.T., Starr, Baugh, Graham and Unitas are must haves.

I'm sure they are. Graham in particular is very impressive--but again, only saw his video clips. I was going by my own judgment.
 
Yesterday was one single data point. It is preceded by many others. While there can be only one GOAT, that doesn't mean there can't be other great QB's. Aaron Rogers is certainly one.

Rodgers is a good QB, but has not yet earned a place in Canton, IMO. He's 9-7 in the playoffs with three one-and-dones. He's 6-7 against the four guys of his era who are in IMO - Brady, Brees, Manning and Roethlisberger. One SB played and won is not enough.

He's in there with Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco.

At 35 with mounting injury questions, it's unclear how long Rodgers will be around.

It does not look good for the Packers to make the 2018 playoffs at 3-4-1. The Packers are on the verge of having to go 7-1 the rest of the way to get a wild card. As of today, they are out.
 
ummm McCarthy calls the plays. he gave it uptemporarily and it was dumpster fire. hes not a bad head coach either...his team has done well enough. not the GOAT tho

His 10-8 playoff record speaks for itself. I stand by my belief that Mike McCarthy is the biggest detriment to Rodgers getting ring #2
 
Young over Manning, Marino, Brees, Elway or Favre? Lol

His 10-8 playoff record speaks for itself. I stand by my belief thay Mike McCarthy is the biggest detriment to Rodgers getting ring #2

You're not even trying to be thoughtful on this. Manning is a career 14-13 in the playoffs. Roethlisberger is 13-8.

Edit: we're having a back-and-forth discussion on the topic and you still clicked the "disagree" button? Are you four years old, or something?
 
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I’ve already lived through the era where Favre was going to be the GOAT with his 3 MVPs, then Manning. Today they’re not even in the conversation.

Rodgers adulation will dissapear as quick as the others if he doesn’t start winning Championships.

If Brady couldn’t play in the 4th quarter he’d have zero rings. Rodgers struggles in the fourth and the results are what we expect.
 
You're not even trying to be thoughtful on this. Manning is a career 14-13 in the playoffs. Roethlisberger is 13-8.

Edit: we're having a back-and-forth discussion on the topic and you still clicked the "disagree" button? Are you four years old, or something?

Why don’t you give me a few mins to return to my desk so I can reply? And to answer your question, QBs and HCs should not be judged on the same criteria. QBs like Manning, Elway, Favre have plenty of other stats to back up their claims to greatness. McCarthy and other HCs less so - they are judged primarily on wins and losses. And there is a good argument for why playoff performance is even more important when judging HCs. And I’m not sure why you’ve brought Roethlisberger into the discussion when I didn’t mention him.
 
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I would take Manning in his prime over Rodgers. Manning despite his many failures did produce all time great numbers at times during his career.
100% I'd take Manning.
 
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