Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Bears

[Tony2046]

If Rubisky was half as talented as Rodgers throwing the Football Brady and our O would have to hang atleast 50 and hope for a win. Rodgers would tear that D a new on the Ground and in the Air.

We'll see. I don't think Rodgers has the same weapons Trubisky and Mahomes have.

I haven't looked at GB close yet but I think it'll be another good game.

 

[Kontradiction]

Aside from the Hail Mary trubisky was 7/21 for 75 yards and 2 picks targeting WRs

Stats without context are as useless as tits on a bull. Trubisky straight up missed Miller in the end zone, underthrew Bellamy who had multiple steps on Gilmore, misplaced another ball to Bellamy that was intercepted that otherwise would have gone for decent yardage and put them into FG range, and then had another sloppy pass to Miller (who was open) that was otherwise intercepted. Those were all throws that were not overly impacted by pressure. Belichick clearly concentrated on taking Gabriel out of the game but the Bears’ wideouts were taking casual strolls through our zones. Trubisky was simply missing them, pressure or no pressure. Meanwhile, the defense still cannot cover TEs or RBs.

These hilariously bad takes on the defense are surprising (considering we all know what a good Belichick defense looks like) and really are beginning to remind me of this board circa 2010-2011 when people were doing everything they could to convince themselves that those were good units. What ended up happening in both seasons, again? That’s right. That the Patriots were even going that zone-heavy in the secondary indicates that the coaching staff knows the issues aren’t communication. We would see more man if that were the case. Instead, the issues are personnel-related. That shouldn’t surprise anyone. They’ll have to be schemed around until or if they can be improved.

As of where we sit right now, October 22, 2018, this team is basically the 2003-2004 Colts. Lethal offense and a defense that is at its best when it plays with a lead but is otherwise extremely underwhelming. If some of you are happy with that, then good for you. I’m not and I would highly suspect that our head coach isn’t either.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Stats without context are as useless as tits on a bull. Trubisky straight up missed Miller in the end zone, underthrew Bellamy who had multiple steps on Gilmore, misplaced another ball to Bellamy that was intercepted that otherwise would have gone for decent yardage and put them into FG range, and then had another sloppy pass to Miller (who was open) that was otherwise intercepted. Those were all throws that were not overly impacted by pressure. Belichick clearly concentrated on taking Gabriel out of the game but the Bears’ wideouts were taking casual strolls through our zones. Trubisky was simply missing them, pressure or no pressure. Meanwhile, the defense still cannot cover TEs or RBs.

These hilariously bad takes on the defense are surprising (considering we all know what a good Belichick defense looks like) and really are beginning to remind me of this board circa 2010-2011 when people were doing everything they could to convince themselves that those were good units. What ended up happening in both seasons, again? That’s right. That the Patriots were even going that zone-heavy in the secondary indicates that the coaching staff knows the issues aren’t communication. We would see more man if that were the case. Instead, the issues are personnel-related. That shouldn’t surprise anyone. They’ll have to be schemed around until or if they can be improved.

As of where we sit right now, October 22, 2018, this team is basically the 2003-2004 Colts. Lethal offense and a defense that is at its best when it plays with a lead but is otherwise extremely underwhelming. If some of you are happy with that, then good for you. I’m not and I would highly suspect that our head coach isn’t either.

This is what gets me. It's not like we haven't seen what a Good-Great NE defense looks like. Recently & at the start of this run.

This ain't it.

Maybe their young fans or maybe they don't have a clue but ... It's fixable, talent isn't the issue & 1,000,000, if we do this/that reek of casual.

 

[Kontradiction]

This is what gets me. It's not like we haven't seen what a Good-Great NE defense looks like. Recently & at the start of this run.

This ain't it.

Maybe their young fans or maybe they don't have a clue but ... It's fixable, talent isn't the issue & 1,000,000, if we do this/that reek of casual.

They’re not young fans. That’s the thing. It used to be that the defensive stats were otherwise bad but we could hang our hats on the POINTZ statistic, but we can’t even do that so far this season. As for the personnel being the issue or not? Time will tell. The play at CB2 has been hit or miss at best. Jones is ideally a nickel corner but has had to see time outside due to instability at the position. DT play has not been consistent at all thus far. Same with the safety play outside of Chung (though you may be able to point to the newer role for Devin on that side of the ball). The LBs have improved as Hightower has come along but it still isn’t what you would call consistently good, either.

 

[Snooky97]

One guy who hasn’t been mentioned is Trent Brown. I know Mack wasn’t 100% but Trent bullied him at times...

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

SMH.. To say that Trubisky isn't good by any definition means you don't have the foggiest clue what you're talking about.

Did you see his stats for the 5 games PRIOR to playing the Pats. Guy had a 70.2% completion rate. Had 11 TDs and 4 ints.

On what planet is a 70% completion rate NOT GOOD?

He’s 14th in completion percentage. All his numbers say he’s a mediocre to poor QB. That’s on planet NFL where he’s compared to his peers.

 

[jimnance]

As of where we sit right now, October 22, 2018, this team is basically the 2003-2004 Colts. Lethal offense and a defense that is at its best when it plays with a lead but is otherwise extremely underwhelming. If some of you are happy with that, then good for you. I’m not and I would highly suspect that our head coach isn’t either.

"As of where we sit right now.."
Yes, that's a fair comparison. But it's still only mid- October, can expect defensive improvement. I always reserve judgement on this team until around Thanksgiving.
No, Im not happy about it, but, again, it's still too early to know what this defense is going to be. Give it a month.
I do believe it's gonna be better than last years' D, but not sure how much. Cbs are better, passrush better. High is improving each game. Still think Rivers will factor in more. Lbs in coverage is an issue. Interior dl has underperformed.
Despite all that, even w/o significant improvement on D, this team is very capable of winning the SB.
BB will have seen enough and tinkered enough with D by Thanksgiving to have a good idea what/who he's got.
I'm wait/see until then.

 

[ralmat55]

It's been happening since day 1. Shelton has been bad except for a few + plays here & there but hes been a disappointment.

Not enough is said of Clayborn’s Erb Palsy condition and its affect on his right arm. It’s remarkable that he has overcome it enough to build a good career for himself in the NFL. But, he is essentially a one armed player and a one dimensional player. He can speed rush off the outside shoulder of the LT but not much more. I’m not sure we should be expecting him to be able to breakdown and contain the QB in the pocket.

 

[ralmat55]

Sorry, I replied to the wrong post. Shelton has been a huge disappointment.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

For those disagreeing with my comment that this defense is trash right now, I'm up for a healthy debate: what can this defense hang its hat on?

 

[supafly]

"As of where we sit right now.."
Yes, that's a fair comparison. But it's still only mid- October, can expect defensive improvement. I always reserve judgement on this team until around Thanksgiving.
No, Im not happy about it, but, again, it's still too early to know what this defense is going to be. Give it a month.
I do believe it's gonna be better than last years' D, but not sure how much. Cbs are better, passrush better. High is improving each game. Still think Rivers will factor in more. Lbs in coverage is an issue. Interior dl has underperformed.
Despite all that, even w/o significant improvement on D, this team is very capable of winning the SB.
BB will have seen enough and tinkered enough with D by Thanksgiving to have a good idea what/who he's got.
I'm wait/see until then.

You had me until you played the Derek Rivers card.

 

[luuked]

Edelman was begging the coaches to throw a challenge flag. I'm wondering if they either didn't think it could get overturned (no conclusive evidence) or didn't think it was worth using a challenge (play was on 1st and 10.) I think it's clear he caught the ball or wouldn't have been telling the coaches to challenge it.

 

[luuked]

For those disagreeing with my comment that this defense is trash right now, I'm up for a healthy debate: what can this defense hang its hat on?

Then lets start with your brilliant suggestions to blow up the team and trade away players because the season is over. Lets debate that genius plan. Maybe this time you don't hide away when people confront you with your own words.

And here I was hoping the trolls would be distracted by whatever is happening in baseball.

 

[luuked]

They’re not young fans. That’s the thing. It used to be that the defensive stats were otherwise bad but we could hang our hats on the POINTZ statistic, but we can’t even do that so far this season.

The improvement in defense will come when the greatest QB of all time stops making his boneheaded weekly turnover, the offense in general stops giving away short fields and ST stops ****ting their bed consistently.

And just maybe then we won't have to watch the defense for 82 snaps which means they can play less zone because they actually get to rest between their series'. Instead they had to play for almost 45 minutes of real time straight in the first half.

It is called complimentary football and so far all three units are absolutely inconsistent.

Meanwhile, the defense still cannot cover TEs or RBs.

Trouble covering a TE and RB is essentially true for every team in the league. How did that supposedly good Bears defensive unit manage to cover White ? Let me guess it is the brilliance of Brady throwing glorified checkdowns to him that beat Chicago and not the fact that most OC are making it easy for their QB and exploiting those kind of matchups league wide.

You are expecting results that won't happen anymore because of where we are right now with the league and its rules. You won't hear the silly phrase "defenses win championships" ever again unless we get another rule change.

 

[Snooky97]

The improvement in defense will come when the greatest QB of all time stops throwing his boneheaded weekly turnovers, the offense in general stops giving away short fields and ST stops ****ting their bed consistently.

And just maybe then we won't have to watch the defense for 82 snaps which means they can play less zone because they actually get to rest between their series'. Instead they had to play for almost 45 minutes of real time straight in the first half.

It is called complimentary football and so far all three units are absolutely inconsistent.

One thing I’d say is I agree with you completely on is the short field and the interceptions. It’s so frustrating to watch! I would say 3 of Brady’s picks aren’t on him completely

 

[luuked]

I would say 3 of Brady’s picks aren’t on him completely

Not saying all or even the majority of turnovers are on him.

But in the last two games he made situations where we had multiple score leads worse by being careless with the ball. It is not the turnover that is frustrating but that he is usually more situationally aware and often has taken the sack to prevent a bad play to get worse.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Stats without context are as useless as tits on a bull. Trubisky straight up missed Miller in the end zone, underthrew Bellamy who had multiple steps on Gilmore, misplaced another ball to Bellamy that was intercepted that otherwise would have gone for decent yardage and put them into FG range, and then had another sloppy pass to Miller (who was open) that was otherwise intercepted. Those were all throws that were not overly impacted by pressure. Belichick clearly concentrated on taking Gabriel out of the game but the Bears’ wideouts were taking casual strolls through our zones. Trubisky was simply missing them, pressure or no pressure. Meanwhile, the defense still cannot cover TEs or RBs.

These hilariously bad takes on the defense are surprising (considering we all know what a good Belichick defense looks like) and really are beginning to remind me of this board circa 2010-2011 when people were doing everything they could to convince themselves that those were good units. What ended up happening in both seasons, again? That’s right. That the Patriots were even going that zone-heavy in the secondary indicates that the coaching staff knows the issues aren’t communication. We would see more man if that were the case. Instead, the issues are personnel-related. That shouldn’t surprise anyone. They’ll have to be schemed around until or if they can be improved.

As of where we sit right now, October 22, 2018, this team is basically the 2003-2004 Colts. Lethal offense and a defense that is at its best when it plays with a lead but is otherwise extremely underwhelming. If some of you are happy with that, then good for you. I’m not and I would highly suspect that our head coach isn’t either.

The league has changed since 2003-2004. It’s no longer “defense wins championships.” There’s a reason why Bill has invested in more star power on the offensive side of the ball. Yes, the D has to play better but it doesn’t have to be at the 2003-2004 level. Out of all the contenders, only the Rams have a good defense - KC, NO, NE and Philly do not.

 

[Kontradiction]

The improvement in defense will come when the greatest QB of all time stops throwing his boneheaded weekly turnovers, the offense in general stops giving away short fields and ST stops ****ting their bed consistently.

Another brain dead take on Brady from a Bill guy. How many of those turnovers have bounced off of his WRs’ hands? I rest my case. And, again, it’s still the defense’s job to hold them to FGs. You know, the same BBDB scheme that people have pimped for years here that supposedly benefits from short fields? They haven’t done that. At all. Those short fields have led to touchdowns more often than not. They’re horrific on third and fourth down and have allowed 30 or more points in 3 out of 7 games plus 26 and 27 in the other two. That’s not good defense. That’s ‘03-‘04 Colts level.

And just maybe then we won't have to watch the defense for 82 snaps which means they can play less zone because they actually get to rest between their series'. Instead they had to play for almost 45 minutes of real time straight in the first half.

They won’t see that amount of snaps if they could actually get off the field on 3rd down. They haven’t been able to. That’s the problem.

It is called complimentary football and so far all three units are absolutely inconsistent.

No. Inconsistent would mean looking good for more than a game and the first half of another game in a 7 game sample size. In that vein, the ST has been inconsistent and was spectacular in Chicago. The offense has been very consistent since Bill realized he messed up the WR position when so many here (including you) thought we were sunshine and rainbows there. The defense has been a problem. Not inconsistent. A problem. They were good in the Miami game and good in the first half against KC. Outside of that? The team has won in spite of them.

Trouble covering a TE and RB is essentially true for every team in the league. How did that supposedly good Bears defensive unit manage to cover White ? Let me guess it is the brilliance of Brady throwing glorified checkdowns to him that beat Chicago and not the fact that most OC are making it easy for their QB and exploiting those kind of matchups league wide.

You need to watch more football then because that’s not true at all. There are plenty of teams in the league that don’t struggle against backs and TEs the way this team does.

You are expecting results that won't happen anymore because of where we are right now with the league and its rules. You won't hear the silly phrase "defenses win championships" ever again unless we get another rule change.

Also proven to be a myth. There are teams in this league that play anywhere from good to excellent defense. That myth is just pedaled around here and on other boards (such as ChiefsPlanet) because the Pats and those teams are not among them. But thank you for agreeing with my point here that the defense hasn’t been good, to date. You nuked whatever argument you were attempting to make but it’s nice to see that you at least agree.

 

[Kontradiction]

The league has changed since 2003-2004. It’s no longer “defense wins championships.” There’s a reason why Bill has invested in more star power on the offensive side of the ball. Yes, the D has to play better but it doesn’t have to be at the 2003-2004 level.

Wut? Super Bowl 52 was won by the first team able to make a play defensively. Super Bowl 51 was won in large part because the Patriots were able to essentially shut down the Atlanta offense in the second half. The Donks won Super Bowl 50 on the strength of one of the better defenses in the last decade. The Patriots won the Super Bowl on a defensive play to save the game. The Seahawks won on another defense that was maybe the best in the last decade. That statement holds no water whatsoever. Yes, the rules changed. Yes, the rules favor the offensive side of the ball. No, that does not mean that the defense has to suck. We’ve seen good Belichick defenses since the rules changes. We’ve seen them from 2013-2016. This ain’t one of them.

 

[luuked]

Another brain dead take on Brady from a Bill guy. How many of those turnovers have bounced off of his WRs’ hands? I rest my case.

The fumble last week and the Develin INT this week alone are just bad decisions that you can't see through your homer glasses. You think I am biased ? Lets ask the beat guys..





Do I need to dig up the reactions to last week 10 seconds brainfart before the fumble ?

FACT is he made bad decisions and let teams back into games where we were multiple scores ahead and this needs to stop.

They won’t see that amount of snaps if they could actually get off the field on 3rd down. They haven’t been able to. That’s the problem.

They also won't see that amount of snaps if the ST and offense stops turning the ball over within 10 seconds of in-game play time. You know... "context" the thing you were asking for in other posts yourself.