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What Do You Expect From Defensive Scheme?

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I dont expect a pink hat to understand. Enough said.
But paying a guard 10 million is cool.

I put my money where my mouth is, I've been to more AFC championship games than anybody has a right to go to...some wins and some loses... dont faulking pink hat me, faulking homer
 
Flowers production plus the two or even three mid-level players they can afford at that or other positions due to the money saved under the cap?
He dosent get it. His way of demeaning this current defense is claiming it does not have the talent that the 2004 team had - so this current D just cant be good.

Remember, he was there....he saw what you couldnt

LMAO!
 
Flowers production plus the two or even three mid-level players they can afford at that or other positions due to the money saved under the cap?

Which guys would those be? Jason mccourty? Other teams pay guys.
 
But paying a guard 10 million is cool.

I put my money where my mouth is, I've been to more AFC championship games than anybody has a right to go to...so.e wins and some loses... dont caulking pink hat me, duck up homer

Again, what does a guard have to do with Chandler Jones production VS Flowers production and there immense cap hit difference??? Another strawman.

Also, nobody cares how many games you have been to considering you have no clue what number of games anyone here has gone too.

You are the poster boy for a pink hat and I am embarrassed for you. You calling me a homer is even more funny.

Ice up son.
 
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He dosent get it. His way of demeaning this current defense is claiming it does not have the talent that the 2004 team had - so this current D just cant be good.

Remember, he was there....he saw what you couldnt

LMAO!

Yeah, you have gone off the rails, put down the beer, you are drunk.
 
It was something I noticed, and they also noticed it too. And yes, Patricia often played an hybrid 5 man front. HT was often the man on the line.

But of course, everyone else is an idiot except you. Especially Hightower. Keep on tooling.

And when this defense turns out to be different, you're going to malign the meaning of "aggressive."
Ok
 
W? Other teams pay guys.
 
Yeah, you have gone off the rails, put down the beer, you are drunk.
I am drunk? ok. LMAO. You are just a babbling idiot today. Now you have been called on it by several posters and you are pulling the typical pink hat maneuver.

LMAO!
 
Your earlier pressure stat quotes really back this up as well as highlight that the common lament (easy completions) are likely correlations - there's a common desire for a blitzing aggressive defense that by it's very design leaves LESS IN COVERAGE which means easy completions if said blitz doesn't get home.

It's always interesting to me that we don't reflect upon the very things our own Patriots' offense exploits in examining the why of their defensive methodology.
Someone recently said, may have been mangini actually, that what Belichick dots on offense is what he hates that opponents do against his defense.
 
You are looking at it backwards.

It was not that RPOs exposed our run defense but our run defense was so bad throughout the year that the RPOs when executed well became an extremely bad matchup because of that run D to the point where you could not afford to lose many (if any) of the 50/50 plays.
It’s not really RPO that’s the issue. It’s OLs and personal and 5 fast agile weapons (or 4 plus a big rb) and a balanced offense and it’s our coaching staffs poor decision in 2017 about how to defend that.

From 2014-2017 our defensive staff essentially created the nickel base. Not only did they create it but they schemed how to defend the run as well from the nickel as 43 or 34.
The problem is KC comes along with a TE who may as well be a wr and can block plus a RB who also could be a WR.
Now you have to defend the equivalent of 5 WRs.
So let’s play some base. Now you have ol blocking safeties in the running game. Now you still have safeties covering wr types.
Essentially we said LB is too slow to cover. Corner is too small to play the run so let’s play dime with 4 safeties.
Kc and later philly gashed that with the run with a good ol, which made safeties cheat up way more than LBs would because they knew they were overmatched and the pass d suffered.
RPO isn’t some genius unstoppable concept. RPO with good personnel against a depleted defense in a bad scheme, yeah that’s pretty hard to stop.
Adding Shelton and Hightower puts us in a position to stop the run from nickel, control down and distance and get off the field.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the RPO had nothing to do with NE giving up 143 yards rushing to the Steelers or 113 rushing to the Dolphins (in December).

I agree the pats defense was not an average defense last year. Rather, it was an above average one. But I fail to see significant improvement in the D last year from the beginning to the end. A lot of it was obviously personnel. And I agree the Pats D will be a lot better this year, especially the run D.

To say that the Pats' run-D was "weak" in 2017 is something of an understatement. It was vulnerable to all teams that had anything resembling a decent ground game and that could execute play-action effectively (e.g., the Fins and the Steelers - who also had the dual-threat, Bell, to help complicate matters).

The intent of all play-action schemes is to use the threat of a run to make it easier for the offense to be successful passing the ball - using the run to set up the pass, not a new concept.

When the threat of the run is real, and especially when the opponent's ground game is good enough to regularly produce chunk plays with the run, the edge-rushers (who are also edge-defenders against the run) are forced to hesitate for an extra beat to diagnose run-or-pass on any play that looks like it might be a run. This attenuates pass-rush pressure.

When the front six is virtually incapable of containing a decent ground game on its own (like the 2017 Pats), play-action may also have a significant effect on coverage. DBs hesitate an extra beat before getting into their coverage assignments in order to decide whether or not they need to come up in run-support. The boundary corners shouldn't really do this - they should stick to their coverage assignments regardless - but they often do so, nevertheless.

It appeared to me that MattyP attempted to compensate for the weak front six by playing the Big Nickel a lot more than just situationally (virtually every play all season long presented a "situation"), and they were in the 4-safety dime frequently (with Richards, unfortunately). The concept, I believe, was to rely on two boundary corners and a deep safety (usually Harmon) to try to contain deep-passing as much as possible, and then to use the other two safeties (McCourty and Chung) as "coverage LBs", in the box or on its periphery, in zone/pattern-matching coverage against short and intermediate routes, RBs and TEs. It appeared to me that MattyP tried Rowe in a sort of 4th-safety role a couple times (against the Steelers on a couple plays, I think), but it didn't go particularly well.

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SIDEBAR: I strongly believe this hesitation wrt run-support/coverage was a major contributing factor to Malcolm Butler's coverage performance decline in 2017. I believe that he was too eager to help out on run-D, trying to do too much, instead of focusing on HIS job. I believe that he was told NOT to do this on more than one occasion over the course of the season, but that it became a chronic problem anyway.

Gilmore had this same issue early on, I think, but fixed it. Rowe wasn't "hesitating" like Butler; he was simply misdiagnosing and then going all in on run-support (he wasn't doing this in the SB, though). As far as I could tell, Jon Jones never had the problem.
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The RPO is an extreme play-action technique/scheme. When well-executed, it can cause the DL and DBs to hesitate even longer than more common play-action. When the RPO is backed by a very good ground game, and an accurate QB, and playing against a weak run-D that requires assistance from the DBs, it's like taking candy from a baby. In the SB, the Eagles had perhaps the best OL in the league, a strong ground game with two RBs who could break runs for big chunks, and Foles played like he was snorting lines all game.
 
He was okay at setting the edge. Dropping him into coverage...who the hell cares, he is a pass rusher.

No, actually, he sucked at setting the edge initially, although he eventually rose to the level of mediocre and inconsistent. And, yes, a good edge defender need to be able to effectively drop into coverage situationally.
 
I've been to more AFC championship games than anybody has a right to go to...

And that alone makes you an "expert" on what makes a good edge defender and a good defense?

LOL! In spite of your much greater experience level, your understanding of the subject is rudimentary, one-dimensional and superficial. You'd be a perfect assistant to Gregg Williams.
 
And you think that sack counts are all that matters in edge-defender play?

ROTFLMFAO.

Is that what I said? 17 sacks, how many pressures? How many times was he drawing double teams? Come on Maineman, you know it is a lot more than that...This is ridiculous.
 
No, actually, he sucked at setting the edge initially, although he eventually rose to the level of mediocre and inconsistent. And, yes, a good edge defender need to be able to effectively drop into coverage situationally.

He was fine at setting the edge. Jones played OLB, but really was a DE. Dropping a rusher into coverage is always a mismatch.
 
And that alone makes you an "expert" on what makes a good edge defender and a good defense?

LOL! In spite of your much greater experience level, your understanding of the subject is rudimentary, one-dimensional and superficial. You'd be a perfect assistant to Gregg Williams.

You are telling me that you would rather have Flowers over Jones? I mean, WTF is going on here? Is day night? Is up down? What world are we living in?
 
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