What Do You Expect From Defensive Scheme?

[Ring 6]

Are you trying to compare Nick Foles to the GOAT?

Nick Foles doesn’t play defense.

 

[PP2]

All that being said lets not forget that Flores is in his first year as DC. He will learn a lot this season and we won't see "truly his defense" until late this year or maybe even next year.

This defense is already bearing his signature. Flores deploys a more traditional 4 men front than the 5 man hybrid front that Patricia preferred. The backers play closer to the LOS and DBs are in more press, and don't give too much of a cushion. All this and other contributes to the aggressiveness that I expect to see, that we haven't had in a while.

We'll see what happens, come Sunday. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Ring 6]

Athleticism is a relative term. They are all pretty friggin athletic. But, none of them are Chandler Jones.

With chandler jones on the team the patriots were 48-16 (.750) in the regular season and 6-3 in the playoffs. (In Sb once win once in 4 seasons)
They ranked 9,10,8,10 in points allowed and allowed an average of 20.27 ppg.

Since trading him they are 27-5 (.840) and 5-1 in the post season (in Sb twice, won once in 2 seasons)
They ranked 1 and 5 in points allowed and allowed an average of 17.06 ppg.

But none of them are chandler Jones.

 

[Ring 6]

This defense is already bearing his signature. Flores deploys a more traditional 4 men front than the 5 man hybrid front that Patricia preferred. The backers play closer to the LOS and DBs are in more press, and don't give too much of a cushion. All this and other contributes to the aggressiveness that I expect to see, that we haven't had in a while.

We'll see what happens, come Sunday. I'm looking forward to it.

1) he hasn’t deployed anything. He literally has not used a game plan yet.
2) how can you have the backers closer to the line and that means you have a 4 man front when the guy who supposedly played them further back played a 5 man front?
That contradicts itself and there is nothing true it any of it.

 

[Nunchucks]

That is the 2nd time you have mentioned the eye-test. It means nothing because your eyes arent experienced enough nor objective. Eye- test LOL

If the Pats D ranked at 28th in points allowed last year that is the first thing you would have pointed to. Because they were top five, and that stat dosent fit your narrative you have gone all straw-man to try to save face here.

You mentioned the 03 and 04 D as if the point you were trying to make was that this current D cant be good because 03-04 had more talent? Is that your point?

I am clearly failing at communicating my point because the conclusions you are drawing from what I stated are ridiculous.

I was just comparing the two defenses and how the talent on those teams was much better. That doesn't mean the current defense cannot be good, it just means they aren't as talented. Those earlier teams passed the eye test. You watched those defenses and they made plays all the time, it was amazing. Even when passes were completed, those passes were HARD to complete both because guys were covered and because the pass rush was getting there.

Last year's defense looked like they were playing on ice skates. Guys are running all over the place wide open. I go to the games, I see what is going on, stuff you cannot see on TV.

 

[Bruins29]

I go to the games, I see what is going on, stuff you cannot see on TV.

Ahhh yes, the "I go to the games and see stuff you cant see on TV"

I knew this was coming. What was I thinking trying to debate anything with an expert like you.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So your argument is that games that support your opinion count and games that don’t do not, and apparently all nfl teams don’t play games against good teams as well as bad teams.
Alrighty then.

Andy, if you don’t know the difference between the teams like Jets and Dolphins, on the one hand, and the steelers and eagles on the other hand, then i don’t know what to tell you.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So your argument is that games that support your opinion count and games that don’t do not, and apparently all nfl teams don’t play games against good teams as well as bad teams.
Alrighty then.

Duplicate post - delete

 

[Nunchucks]

Ahhh yes, the "I go to the games and see stuff you cant see on TV"

I knew this was coming. What was I thinking trying to debate anything with an expert like you.

I don't want to appeal to authority. But there is a reason why a popular saying is "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"

 

[Ring 6]

Andy, if you don’t know the difference between the teams like Jets and Dolphins, on the one hand, and the steelers and eagles on the other hand, then i don’t know what to tell you.

Every team plays games against good teams bad teams and average teams.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't want to appeal to authority. But there is a reason why a popular saying is "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"

Allowing or not allowing points isn’t a statistic it’s what determines winning or losing. There are no lies on who scored more points.

 

[Bruins29]

I don't want to appeal to authority. But there is a reason why a popular saying is "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"

Like I said, I cant argue with someone who "is there and sees more than what is on TV" or tries to disproves facts with goal post moving, strawmen tactics.

 

[maineman209]

It’s more than just the RPO.

A lot of it actually is the RPO.

The RPO is kind of an extreme version of play-action. It was developed specifically to exploit weak, poor-tackling run-defenses (and the Pats 2017 run-D was one of the weakest I've ever seen) and to stymie the pass rush by making the rushers hesitate and guess.

Very well-executed by Philly, and it worked like a charm for both KC and Philly. The Pats may have been "ready" for it, schematically, but they simply didn't have the players to put on the field who could stop it.

I'm guessing that a bunch of other teams - especially Pats opponents this season - try to copy it (and probably eff it up). Well, the Pats now do have the players. They also have Bielema (who's had to deal with it already for a few years) consulting for the defense, focusing on the DL. IOW, he's not on the staff just because he's BB's buddy.

Odds are we'll see some of it out of the Texans on Sunday.

 

[Angelpats]

Your going to see it just with the personnel added thru FA and coming back from injury.

I like this defense more than last years. Really like the infusion of youth and speed, it’s built for the long haul.

 

[PP2]

1) he hasn’t deployed anything. He literally has not used a game plan yet.
2) how can you have the backers closer to the line and that means you have a 4 man front when the guy who supposedly played them further back played a 5 man front?
That contradicts itself and there is nothing true it any of it.

Flores has distinctly used a different approach than Patricia did. It is an illusion to think otherwise. You are clearly not paying attention.

Backers playing closer to the line does not mean that they are ON the line- what I've noticed is that Flores isn't quite having them play the traditional depth of a backer. What exactly defines the distance a backer is positioned off the line is a matter of philosophy and every DC is different, and Flores is clearly taking a different approach to this than Patricia has.

You are hell bent on proving that either I'm wrong or incompetent that you're just flat out ignoring the indications, the clues. You're also dismissing Hightower's remarks which is hysterical to me. The guy is the captain of the defense and he has been around for 6 years.

 

[maineman209]

D. McCourty is an excellent safety, but he isn't a guy who makes a lot of INTs like other safeties in the league.

Probably because DMac doesn't play exactly the same role as other safeties in the league.

 

[maineman209]

Those teams had a lot more talent on the rosters.

Which teams, specifically? (You may have said and I just missed it).

 

[maineman209]

Athleticism is a relative term. They are all pretty friggin athletic. But, none of them are Chandler Jones.

That's not a bad thing, since Chandler couldn't set the edge or drop into coverage to save his life.

 

[Bruins29]

Probably because DMac doesn't play exactly the same role as other safeties in the league.

You would think that someone who is "there" who "sees more than what is on TV" would know things like this.

 

[PP2]

A lot of it actually is the RPO.

The RPO is kind of an extreme version of play-action. It was developed specifically to exploit weak, poor-tackling run-defenses (and the Pats 2017 run-D was one of the weakest I've ever seen) and to stymie the pass rush by making the rushers hesitate and guess.

Very well-executed by Philly, and it worked like a charm for both KC and Philly. The Pats may have been "ready" for it, schematically, but they simply didn't have the players to put on the field who could stop it.

I'm guessing that a bunch of other teams - especially Pats opponents this season - try to copy it (and probably eff it up). Well, the Pats now do have the players. They also have Bielema (who's had to deal with it already for a few years) consulting for the defense, focusing on the DL. IOW, he's not on the staff just because he's BB's buddy.

Odds are we'll see some of it out of the Texans on Sunday.

I actually think that's why they hired Bielema.