What Do You Expect From Defensive Scheme?

[SHOWTIME15]

You are so close to a major breakthrough here. Now what is the connection between KC coached by Reid and the Eagles coached by Pederson ?

I’m not talking about scheme here. I’m talking about a team that got its *** handed to them on defense against KC and again gots its *** handed to them on defense against Phily. Some strikingly similar stats:

Defense vs Kansas City

Total Yards - 537

Passing Yards - 352

Rusing Yards - 185

8.3 yards per play

Defense vs. Philly

Total yards - 538

Passing yards - 374

Rushing yards - 164

7.6 yards per play

Hmm, it’s almost as if Doug Pedersen copied the same game plan that KC used against us - wow, who would have thought.

 

[Sciz]

What’s your point? This team doesn’t have much talent on defense and you sit your starting cornerback.

If the defense is as talentless as you say, then why does it make any sense to judge the entire defense on the one game where this talented player didn't play?

 

[tasmlab]

It wasn’t just the HT and Jones injuries - it was losing them plus Nink’s retirement and losing Sheard in free agency.

Plus the major misfires in Kony Ealy and Cassius Marsh. Getting guys like Eric Lee off of the Buffalo practice squad wasn't exactly "plan A".

 

[Nunchucks]

Huh? Gotta disagree with you there. This is the most athletic and potentially lethal group of pass rushers that they've had in years (in my opinion, of course).

Yes, time flies, 2014 was a long time ago.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

If the defense is as talentless as you say, then why does it make any sense to judge the entire defense on the one game where this talented player didn't play?

Because sitting that player created a domino effect. Played a much softer scheme with safeties covering slot wrs.

 

[Nunchucks]

Ahhh the "eye test" thing. I was wondering when that would be trotted out. The D had some issues, particularly in the beginning of the season, but like a W-
L you are who are and they were the 5th best D in the NFL last year, despite what a bunch of armchair experts want to pontificate from their sofas.

The D obviously sucked in the Superbowl.

It is like stating the the 2007 and 20011 Patriots offenses were not good because they only scored 14 and 17 points in the superbowls. Sometimes when the pressure is high, units dont perform up to potential.

It was a good D it just chose to play poorly when it mattered most unfortunately.

The eye test has served me well through the years. Not much I can say other than that. 5th best in points allowed, that is correct.

 

[Sciz]

Because sitting that player created a domino effect. Played a much softer scheme with safeties covering slot wrs.

Yes, exactly. So don’t judge the defense on that one game. It wasn’t representative of last year as a whole.

 

[Nunchucks]

The eagles allowed 295 points.
34 tds. 31 PAT 20 FGs
The patriots allowed 296 points
33 tds 33 pats 22 FGs

So those 2 missed PATS against the eagles is the difference between a good defense and ine that was never good?
Do the tds they allow not count?

Yes, that is exactly what I said. Great work there. Many of us saw the Patriots defense have stretches of terrible play followed by stretches of solid play, they ended with 5th in the league of points allowed....the Patriots defense was inconsistent. If you want to say that the Patriots defense looked like a top defense in the league...that's fine..I had reservations all year.

 

[Nunchucks]

Why would they do that when they had the #1 rushing offense facing our defense which gave up 4.7 ypc?

Because they were not having much success running the ball and moderate success passing the ball, even though Bortles is terrible.

 

[Bruins29]

The eye test has served me well through the years. Not much I can say other than that. 5th best in points allowed, that is correct.

And the way the Patriots run their D has worked well throughout the years.

 

[Nunchucks]

They threw 39 times and ran 30. You think bring one dimensional would be better?

More importantly are you seriously trying to argue that the defense was bad because, even though it wasn’t, it might have been if the other team called different plays? Really?

Patriots had the 30th ranked pass defense last year.

 

[Nunchucks]

And the way the Patriots run their D has worked well throughout the years.

Ha, well enough when Tom Brady is the QB. I agree.

 

[Bruins29]

stretches of terrible play followed by stretches of solid play,

Which you can say about every team in the league every year on both sides of the ball...

Is your point that it's not allowed, not acceptable or that it indeed is exclusive to the Pats only.

 

[Nunchucks]

Which you can say about every team in the league every year on both sides of the ball...

Is your point that it's not allowed, not acceptable or that it indeed is exclusive to the Pats only.

I would say that the Patriots defense has feasted on terrible offensive play calling. How many times last year did we see teams run right into the teeth of the defense, call run plays on 3rd and long, forgo the use of bunch formations and motions (things the Patriots struggled with)? I feel like the teams that game plan well, give the Patriots fits. Teams that have trouble running basic offensive plays (many teams in the league BTW) are the ones the Patriots are able to hold to low scores.

Basically, the Patriots defensive philosophy tends to fail when the offensive coach is capable.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, that is exactly what I said. Great work there. Many of us saw the Patriots defense have stretches of terrible play followed by stretches of solid play, they ended with 5th in the league of points allowed....the Patriots defense was inconsistent. If you want to say that the Patriots defense looked like a top defense in the league...that's fine..I had reservations all year.

And the eagles had the same amount of good and bad. That’s the point.
It’s like saying we each picked the winner of every game all season long and end up with the same record, then you argue that I had stretches where I missed a lot of games so you had reservations about me therefore you were good at it and I wasn’t.
The eagles had equally bad stretches while giving up essentially exactly the same points.
You are acting as if they both allowed 20 per game for 12 games, then the eagles had 4 shutouts and the patriots allowed 40 for weeks.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Patriots had the 30th ranked pass defense last year.

Please don't go down the "they give up yards" road.

 

[Ring 6]

Patriots had the 30th ranked pass defense last year.

Not by the ranking that matters.

 

[Ring 6]

Ha, well enough when Tom Brady is the QB. I agree.

Since Tom brady was their qb that exactly what they should have done.

 

[Bruins29]

I would say that the Patriots defense has feasted on terrible offensive play calling. How many times last year did we see teams run right into the teeth of the defense, call run plays on 3rd and long, forgo the use of bunch formations and motions (things the Patriots struggled with)? I feel like the teams that game plan well, give the Patriots fits. Teams that have trouble running basic offensive plays (many teams in the league BTW) are the ones the Patriots are able to hold to low scores.

Basically, the Patriots defensive philosophy tends to fail when the offensive coach is capable.

But that is how sports work. Diddnt we learn that from SB42 and 46 even. Sometimes the other coaches figure out a way to stop a "good" offense, or beat a "good" defense." That is how this game works.

You cant then go and paint with a broad brush and say "the 07 O sucked regardless of how well they did during the reg season" Good Defenses and Offenses play poorly sometimes. There is a lot of human factor in this stuff and it isnt consistent or reliable.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I would say that the Patriots defense has feasted on terrible offensive play calling. How many times last year did we see teams run right into the teeth of the defense, call run plays on 3rd and long, forgo the use of bunch formations and motions (things the Patriots struggled with)? I feel like the teams that game plan well, give the Patriots fits. Teams that have trouble running basic offensive plays (many teams in the league BTW) are the ones the Patriots are able to hold to low scores.

Thats this defense in a nutshell.

It takes away what the offense is good at and forces them to make plays with a lesser strength or a weakness. Its scheme is to reduce the big play and force teams to be patient offensively

If another team has a great gameplan and executes against it, so be it.

Teams will do things that are unorthodox with the intention of not being too predictable.

Think of it as a boxing match. Hit 'em with the left handed jab, then in Rd5 go right handed jab as the opposing boxer is bleeding over the left eye. Adapt and take advantage.

Basically, the Patriots defensive philosophy tends to fail when the offensive coach is capable.

No it fails when there is a good gameplan and the other team executes and makes plays on the field.