NE 2018 TC . week 4 . info

[A Defiant Goose]

Because it’s not a tell. It’s a silent snap TRIGGER. You have to have one. How many times do I have to explain this to you.



Oh my god.
So if Brady had a verbal snap count and calls every play on 1, going down, set, hut as the cadence you think that “set” is a tell?
The head bob is LITERALLY the silent equivalent of “set”.

Yeah, I think I finally get your point. It was the snap count technically speaking but it was physically the head bob which to me is all in the same when the snap count doesn't vary.

 

[Ring 6]

No the point is why BB didn't catch this. Why didn't he do anything about it? You are the one who says that he micromanages.

No you are arguing that stork was lifting his head for no reason and it was a tell. That is wrong.

 

[PP2]

Because it’s not a tell. It’s a silent snap TRIGGER. You have to have one. How many times do I have to explain this to you.

It's a tell if the DL is using it to time the snap, no matter how you want to characterize it.

Oh my god.
So if Brady had a verbal snap count and calls every play on 1, going down, set, hut as the cadence you think that “set” is a tell?
The head bob is LITERALLY the silent equivalent of “set”.

Again, the point is that it tipped off the pass rushers of not one, or two, but three or more teams. Therefore it is a TELL.

But the bigger point is why BB did nothing about it, when you say that he oversees every little detail about the team.

 

[Kontradiction]

LOL silent counts don't need triggers. ************. It's a countdown.

 

[PP2]

No you are arguing that stork was lifting his head for no reason and it was a tell. That is wrong.

You're just changing the parameters of this discussion.

The point again is that the pass rushers were looking at Stork's helmet, regardless of whether or not it was a silent count signal. They were using it to time their rush, therefore it is a tell, period, no matter why he was raising his helmet, whether it was for a silent count or to dislodge a stuck fart.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, I think I finally get your point. It was the snap count technically speaking but it was physically the head bob which to me is all in the same when the snap count doesn't vary.

It’s different because of the point of the discussion
People are ripping stork for having a tell. Or his coach for not catching it. That’s just not right. HIS JOB IS TO RAISE HIS HEAD TO INDICATE THE SNAP COUNT STARTS.
Calling everything (and it wasn’t everything, it was a lot, too much) on 1 is not the C or the OL coaches issue.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

 

[A Defiant Goose]

It’s different because of the point of the discussion
People are ripping stork for having a tell. Or his coach for not catching it. That’s just not right. HIS JOB IS TO RAISE HIS HEAD TO INDICATE THE SNAP COUNT STARTS.
Calling everything (and it wasn’t everything, it was a lot, too much) on 1 is not the C or the OL coaches issue.

Ok so, if I assume correctly, we agree that the problem was that the snap count was consistently 1 and the defense was able to tee off on that, whose fault is that in your opinion?

 

[PP2]

It’s different because of the point of the discussion
People are ripping stork for having a tell. Or his coach for not catching it. That’s just not right. HIS JOB IS TO RAISE HIS HEAD TO INDICATE THE SNAP COUNT STARTS.
Calling everything (and it wasn’t everything, it was a lot, too much) on 1 is not the C or the OL coaches issue.

Whose fault was it then? Because it definitely was a problem.

The point is it was a problem that didn't get corrected at any point in the AFCC, while Brady got hit 20 times, which is a record. Again, you say that BB oversees every detail on the team. Why didn't he do something about it?

 

[Ring 6]

You're just changing the parameters of this discussion.

The point again is that the pass rushers were looking at Stork's helmet, regardless of whether or not it was a silent count signal. They were using it to time their rush, therefore it is a tell, period, no matter why he was raising his helmet, whether it was for a silent count or to dislodge a stuck fart.

No. That is 100% wrong. Unless you think every time manning yelled Omaha it was a tell because that is EXACTLY the same thing.

If they varied the snap count more, the head bob is meaningless to the defense.

Try hard to get this.

A tell is something you do that rips off the other team.
When the center announces he is ready by raising his head, and starting the snap count he has tipped off nothing.
If the center is told in the huddle to snap one beat later every time the defense starts to figure out when its coming. If they snap on 2 there was no tell

 

[Ring 6]

Ok so, if I assume correctly, we agree that the problem was that the snap count was consistently 1 and the defense was able to tee off on that, whose fault is that in your opinion?

Brady and McDaniels.

 

[Ring 6]

Whose fault was it then? Because it definitely was a problem.

Brady and McDaniels.

The point is it was a problem that didn't get corrected at any point in the AFCC, while Brady got hit 20 times, which is a record. Again, you say that BB oversees every detail on the team. Why didn't he do something about it?

I didn’t say he was perfect.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Brady and McDaniels.

Ok that's fair. I think some of it lays at Guge's feet for not figuring out how to allow his linemen to use a count other than 1 because ultimately that's why (in your mind) Brady and McDaniels went with that all game long. But we can agree to disagree

 

[PP2]

No. That is 100% wrong. Unless you think every time manning yelled Omaha it was a tell because that is EXACTLY the same thing.

If they varied the snap count more, the head bob is meaningless to the defense.

Try hard to get this.

A tell is something you do that rips off the other team.
When the center announces he is ready by raising his head, and starting the snap count he has tipped off nothing.
If the center is told in the huddle to snap one beat later every time the defense starts to figure out when its coming. If they snap on 2 there was no tell

You're the one who's not getting it.

Von Miller said that he timed his rush off Stork's helmet bob. Ware and the others did the same.

You are basically telling him that he's wrong which is ridiculous. You're telling the Denver DL that they're wrong.

How else were they able to get to Brady 20 times? They clearly had a tell that they were working with and nobody did anything about it.

 

[Kontradiction]

You're the one who's not getting it.

Von Miller said that he timed his rush off Stork's helmet bob. Ware and the others did the same.

You are basically telling him that he's wrong which is ridiculous.

How else were they able to get to Brady 20 times? They clearly had a tell that they were working with and nobody did anything about it.

Not to mention a staggering misunderstanding that a silent count requires a trigger. This doesn’t surprise me since the guy probably hasn’t played football in decades.

 

[PP2]

Brady and McDaniels.


I didn’t say he was perfect.

So in other words you are saying BB is not perfect? That implies he was responsible.

I really doubt that it was Brady's responsibility to watch for tells given out by his OL, neither is it on McDaniels.

It's on the OL coach.

And ultimately on BB if they didn't catch it on film by the time the AFCC came around.

Personally I don't it's BB's fault because he doesn't micromanage. He hires people that he thinks he can trusts and just lets them do their job unless they mess it up, and Guge did and got fired.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok that's fair. I think some of it lays at Guge's feet for not figuring out how to allow his linemen to use a count other than 1 because ultimately that's why (in your mind) Brady and McDaniels went with that all game long. But we can agree to disagree

I don’t ubderstand what you are saying
It was not a thought out plan to call 1 most of the time, it was a mistake made during the game that they weeent self aware about.
The ol coach wouldn’t instruct the OC that his players want everything to be on 1.
It’s just like calling too many passes or too many runs, or deviating from a game plan.
Ironically I think the ol was so beaten up and struggling so much that the coaching staff probably lost attention to detail while trying to scheme around it.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

You're the one who's not getting it.

Von Miller said that he timed his rush off Stork's helmet bob. Ware and the others did the same.

You are basically telling him that he's wrong which is ridiculous.

How else were they able to get to Brady 20 times? They clearly had a tell that they were working with and nobody did anything about it.

I think to Andy's point though, and I agree with you that essentially the head bob was a tell, is that there had to be a head bob anyway so it's not fair to call it a tell. A tell to him might be something more "unnecessary" like Stork licking his nose right before the snap or something like that. I'm just trying to end this argument for yal already lol

 

[Ring 6]

So in other words you are saying BB is not perfect? That implies he was responsible.

Ultimately he is. He is in charge and he pays attention to every detail. To MANAGING every detail. Typically that is something he would notice.

I really doubt that it was Brady's responsibility to watch for tells given out by his OL, neither is it on McDaniels.

There wasn’t a tell.

It's on the OL coach.

The ol coach doesn’t call the snap count. Brady does. McDaniels is his boss.

And ultimately on BB if they didn't catch it on film by the time the AFCC came around.

There was nothing to catch in film

Personally I don't it's BB's fault because he doesn't micromanage. He hires people that he thinks he can trusts and just lets them do their job unless they mess it up, and Guge did and got fired.

Nope. He delegates and supervises and pays attention to every detail so that everything is done the way wants.

 

[Ring 6]

I think to Andy's point though, and I agree with you that essentially the head bob was a tell, is that there had to be a head bob anyway so it's not fair to call it a tell. A tell to him might be something more "unnecessary" like Stork licking his nose right before the snap or something like that. I'm just trying to end this argument for yal already lol

Or raising his head as he is about to snap on a verbal count regardless of what the count is.
If he raises it in set, it’s not a tell unless he only does it when the count is 1.