Are there 63 better quarterbacks in the NFL?

[maust]

No one thought kaepernick played well in 2016. He didn’t throw ints (he did fumble though) using a td/int ratio to imply few ints equals good play otherwise is disingenuous. He passed for less than 200 ypg, his team scored less than 19 ppg but scored over 22 ppg with Blaine gabbert at Qb
He completed 59% of his passes.
His offense scored 22 td in his 11 starts.
Nothing he did (other than not throwing ints along the way to not having any passing offense) was good.

I can't abide Kaepernick's fraud shtick but why is it people that want to blast him struggle with presenting him in a fair light and letting him and his 50¢ head be damned for who he is rather than trying to bury him with cherry picked bs or outright misrepresentation? Of course the team scored more points with Carlos Hyde, Vance McDonald and Torrey Smith healthy and available early in the season when Gabbert was starting. Gabbert had fewer ypg (154), a lower completion % (56.88), lower Y/A, a QB rating 22.3 points lower and a horrifically worse td/int rate of 5/6 running the same offense with better players. The truth is Kaepernick did more individually with what the team gave them both to work with than Gabbert did. That doesn't necessarily make him a 'good' QB but it sure makes him a better one than Gabbert. The truth is 2016 Kaepernick was more or less Tyrod Taylor and that by itself is more than 'good' enough to have at least a backup job in today's NFL, not with every team but certainly with some. The fact is his 2016 performance doesn't exist by itself, nothing happens in a vacuum and with the fan backlash attached to Kaepernick and his own inflated idea of his value the juice simply isn't worth the squeeze. Kaepernick's fraud ass dug the hole he is in and it's fair to ask why any owner should put his team in the crosshairs and face a potentially alienated fan base and the attendant revenue loss for a borderline starter. Other than defending your own BS why is it so damn hard to recognize an obvious business decision and just call it what it is instead of trotting out silly crap?

 

[maust]

He's not good enough to warrant the insane distractions that would follow him via the media... And you know the media would be foaming at the mouth desperately trying to create a distraction

And that is reason enough to have him on the outside looking in.

 

[TheRainMaker]

All quarterbacks audible on every play, especially the good ones. Bad ones stick with the called play, even if the defense is set up to defend it.

You are missing the point. He does all of that Peyton Manning nonsense at the line of scrimmage but he couldn't execute. And I need to correct myself as I stated he played 9 games but he only played 6.

 

[TheRainMaker]

As an owner there is no way I would want the distraction associated with Kaepernick... that and you would have to completely change your offensive philosophy for him

He's not good enough to warrant the insane distractions that would follow him via the media... And you know the media would be foaming at the mouth desperately trying to create a distraction

The irony of all this regarding the media is that they are first questioning why Kaep isn't signed. Then if a team signs him, the media will question why that team signed him. LOL. This is what the media really wants.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Kap hasn't played since Christmas Eve 2016. Are we sure he's the same player he was?

 

[primetime]

Even among those you are pimping, and who are clearly overselling Kaepernick to a great degree, we get this:

That writer is typing while he's got Kaep's balls across his chin, and he still can only bring himself to max the guy out as McCown/Fitzpatrick in the pocket. That should have told you that you were barking up the wrong tree.

Both McCown and Fitzpatrick started games in the NFL last season. That would suggest the answer to the question asked in the OP is "no."

 

[maust]

Both McCown and Fitzpatrick started games in the NFL last season.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I like my sports politics free ,personally, whether or not i agree with it, not sure if having hat left in your locker or people/friends you have. is political statements

1) Also prefer sports politics free. Feel happy that so far, that hasn't come to NE, b/c I want to win, and politics = divisions and distractions...

But if you're using your platform for politics, you have to be good enough to have a platform. It's just silly when the guy screws/fails himself out of having a platform, then people write op-eds whining that people wont hire him. That might be legit if he was a starting QB and usually wins his division.

I mean, look at the question... it's not even like "With all this talent how can he not have a job?" It's "wait, he sucks, but he doesn't suck that hard, does he?"

It's basically an argument that K's mixing of politics with sports should not impact his hire-ability, sort of an extension of a "freedom of speech" argument. It just seems that if your actions lead to anything adverse from ownership's point of view, that will be mirrored in your market value. People know that he comes with a controversy and probably some turmoil within the team.

My politics were like "now hold on here, if you think about it..." blah blah blah. And let's not argue them here, I'm just saying, I am taking the stand I do despite some sympathy for his views... My thing is, what are you going to do? Pass a rule change that team A, B, or C must hire him?

If a team thinks he's good for them, they'll hire him. That's what free agency is.

2) My discussion of "if Brady did X, Y, and Z" was the opposite of conflating what we have seen with antics like K's. I said, if Brady brought those politics on the field or made a big deal of them, even he could reach a point where they'd have to let him go.

It was about the dissimilarity between K's and Brady's positions, not any supposed similarity in their actions.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

He opted out of his deal ... that can and will be used against him. Regardless of talent ... any or all of the 32 teams can simply state that he cannot be trusted to do all it takes to compete for a spot on the team - he's a quitter.

What...what is this? At first I thought this was some kind of weird joke that I didn't get. But I think you're being serious?

There are plenty of obvious reasons to hate on Kaepernick. We don't need to start coming up with exotic new ones that make no sense.

Exercising an option to get out of a deal doesn't make you a quitter. Tons of players in different sports do this. It's rarer in the NFL because players don't get that much leverage, but Steven Jackson is another player who had opted out of his deal.

Heck, the NFL owners unanimously opted out of the CBA in 2008 and nobody is calling them quitters.

Kaepernick is a headache, and nobody should be forced to work with a headache. I have no problem with that.

But the people who swear up and down that it's because he isn't talented enough to be a player in this league need to stop after all the articles that showed various owners had projected him as a starting caliber player. More than one NFL team felt he had the talent to start in this league. It clearly wasn't a talent issue like some of you project.

Say he's a pain in the ass. Say he's a headache. Say he's not worth the aggravation. Say he's bad for sales. Say he's bad for morale. That's all fine.

Just don't say he isn't talented enough to play, and don't call him a quitter for opting out of a deal. That's just dumb.

 

[farn]

Useless player. Had a SB appearance because of an excellent D.

Who cares if he is within top 63 ? If he can’t start and win games, he isn’t worth the hassle. I don’t even care about his kneeling, I’d avoid him based on limited potential and constant media obsession.

 

[Deus Irae]

Both McCown and Fitzpatrick started games in the NFL last season. That would suggest the answer to the question asked in the OP is "no."

No, it wouldn't (although the question asked in the OP is irrelevant anyway, as has already been demonstrated). It just shows that even a guy overpraising Kaepernick is only putting him at the bottom of the starter lists, along with other players who've been borderline. That doesn't either show, or suggest, that such placement is accurate. You do like to take those fantastic leaps, though.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Has Reid signed yet? If not, maybe those two can watch games together next season.

 

[primetime]

No, it wouldn't (although the question asked in the OP is irrelevant anyway, as has already been demonstrated). It just shows that even a guy overpraising Kaepernick is only putting him at the bottom of the starter lists, along with other players who've been borderline. That doesn't either show, or suggest, that such placement is accurate. You do like to take those fantastic leaps, though.

Oh, I see what happened here. I clicked on a thread and posted about the thread's premise. You clicked on a thread and saw goalposts you thought your grossly potato-shaped body could move. In other words, nothing other than a normal thread here on Pats Fans dot com.

 

[DarrylS]

Isn't this about the umpteenth thread about Colin and the NFL's reaction for him as either a crappy QB or as a protester.... not sure if we will ever know the truth, but being away from the game for such a long period of time is deeming him as less and less ready for the NFL..

Next year if a team loses both QB's during next season's war of attrition, will he then get a chance or will they pass the opportunity to some unknown who has been floating around various leagues in obscurity??..

 

[captain stone]

Still a little surprised, but not really disappointed, that teams such as Carolina, Tampa, Dallas, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Miami, duh Jete, Bal'more, Cleveland, Jax, Houston, Tennessee, the Donkeys and especially Seattle haven't signed him to a QB2-level contract.

 

[maust]

Still a little surprised, but not really disappointed, that teams such as Carolina, Tampa, Dallas, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Miami, duh Jete, Bal'more, Cleveland, Jax, Houston, Tennessee, the Donkeys and especially Seattle haven't signed him to a QB2-level contract.

You probably should have thought twice about including Miami in a list of places Castro boy could sign with lol. Your post brings up an interesting thought though. Collusion case and talent aside, what teams have the reservoir of goodwill with their fan base to take the hit that would go along with signing him? There's a very limited number of teams that have the coin with their fans to risk the backlash that would come with signing him. You can forget about the redneck & bible belt teams. The NY teams are out, the media there guarantees too much circus. Likewise teams with fans whose patience is getting thin, those seeing empty seats and any with high value rookie QB's are out. That pretty much gives us Philly, New England, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Baltimore, MN, GB and Denver as progressive enough cities with fan bases that have either seen championships recently enough and/or ingest enough koolaid to take the hit without too much risk to the bottom line. Philly is more than set at QB. There are plenty of reasons the Pats are a bad fit but #1 with a bullet is the offense. Rooney knows his locker room is not very stable so Pitt is off the table. That gives us Seattle, Baltimore, MN, GB and Denver. There's not much cap room or path to the starting spot in any of them and Kaepernick managed to alienate the Hawks and Ravens front offices but those 5 are probably the most viable landing spots.

 

[Kontradiction]

Oh, I see what happened here. I clicked on a thread and posted about the thread's premise. You clicked on a thread and saw goalposts you thought your grossly potato-shaped body could move. In other words, nothing other than a normal thread here on Pats Fans dot com.

 

[Off The Grid]

Kap hasn't played since Christmas Eve 2016. Are we sure he's the same player he was?

Yes, we're sure that he still sucks.

 

[mgteich]

Kap hasn't played since Christmas Eve 2016. Are we sure he's the same player he was?

No, he is not likely to be as good as in 2016. But that isn't the question.

The question is whether is Kaep is good enough to be a #2 QB for some team (and fits well enough), a player who would play of the #1 is injured. We patriots have our #2 QB in Hoyer, so this isn't an issue for us.

Some teams carry a #3 developmental QB (always inactive), but that fact is somewhat irrelevant.

Folks say that Kaep won't take a backup role. IMHO, that's nonsense. In any case, we don't know whether that is true.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Kaepernick was the ring-leader of the whole kneeling thing, which caused damage to the shield. He doesn’t deserve to play in the NFL anymore, and the owners have the right to exclude him. If he’s remorseful about the whole thing and promises not to kneel anymore, it’s a different story.