Official 2018 Draft Day Thread Day Two

[sambam94]

This draft gets a D- at best. To have 5 picks in the top 95, and only come out with 3. Is terrible asset management. There is no sugarcoating it. To come out of THIS draft, one of the deepest QB drafts in the last 20 years without an heir apparent for Brady , especially with so much draft capital up high, is an epic fail. To NOT get a top notch pass rusher or linebacker with so much draft capital up high, is an epic fail. There is no getting around this, it’s a failure.

To see the Steelers walk away Roethlisburger’s heir apparent when we could’ve picked the same guy at 43, or 51 or 63, is an epic fail, and infuriating as a fan of the Patriots.

Belichick gets a lot of credit for the greatness of this organization the last 17 years, and deservedly so, but plain and simple, his drafting has been **** for years. He does better with UDFAs a lot of the times, which is bizarre. But I don’t care who they pick in rounds 4-7 (if they indeed actually make some picks instead of resting on their laurels), this draft has been a disaster, which honestly, is par for the course.

not sure why so many think they had to get a QB in this draft. Brady will be playing for 3 more years..it wasn't a priority this year, no matter what the talking head media idiots want us to believe.

 

[Deus Irae]

Did they not add Danny Shelton? Are Hightower and Rivers not coming back from ir? Relax.

Rivers is nothing until he is something. Hightower is a high injury risk. Shelton's here because he's been a disappointment. If people want to worry about the defense as it's currently constituted, they've got fair reasons to do so.

 

[scott99]

People get attached to names and then get mad when a name gets called instead of the name they like. I get it. It's part of the entertainment.

I've stopped doing that though. You can only take so many guys, and other teams get to pick too. Much more interested in looking at the strengths and weaknesses of the players they pick and looking for the logic behind them rather than writing off a pick because it wasn't Player X who will very likely end up being just another guy anyhow. It became clear to me when you'd look over the free agent pool every year and see all these Player Xs you really liked a few years before and they were just mediocrities and disappointments in the end, because that's most players who get drafted.

Then you look at the SB champs adding good players like TE Dallas Goedert to pair with great TE Zach Ertz. Hmm, whodathunk having TWO good TEs on the field at the same time would be possible.

 

[Dingleberry]

Mason Rudolph is the Steelers' heir apparent? Ya, good luck with that.

 

[primetime]

Oh yeah, that pro bowler all pro Danny Shelton. Stole him from the Browns, what a steal getting a 3 year bust. You know you had an awful draft when the Cleveland Browns draft better than you.

Heres the draft grade for the Eagles in 2014 from CBS:

Philadelphia Eagles
Best Pick: I like third-round receiver Josh Huf. He is a guy who will come in and know the offense, having played in it at Oregon.

Questionable move: Waiting until the fourth round to address corner. I like the guy they took there in Jaylen Watkins, so that could work out.

Third-day gem: Fifth-round defensive tackle Taylor Hart will add some depth to the defensive. He was a productive player at Oregon and Chip Kelly knows him well.

Analysis: The Eagles passed on a receiver in the first round to take pass rusher Marcus Smith because the pass rushers were a thin group. That made sense. They did take two receivers in round two and three to make it work.

Grade: B+

Not one of the players in that blurb was on their team last season.

They won the Super Bowl.

(The Patriots got a B- because Jimmy Garoppolo was a bad pick or something.)

 

[manxman2601]

Rivers is nothing until he is something. Hightower is a high injury risk. Shelton's here because he's been a disappointment. If people want to worry about the defense as it's currently constituted, they've got fair reasons to do so.

I’d have thought they’d be used to it by now. Maybe they’ve been confused by all the Super Bowls. Simple fact is, BB doesn’t view defense in the same way the fans do.

 

[primetime]

Then you look at the SB champs adding good players like TE Dallas Goedert to pair with great TE Zach Ertz. Hmm, whodathunk having TWO good TEs on the field at the same time would be possible.

Dallas Goedert has never played an NFL snap. He didn't even play at the highest level of college football! He's not a good player; he's not even a player yet. I think he has potential but, well, so does everybody else in the draft.

 

[zimmy]

People can moan about the D all they want. But can someone explain which LB or DE they would have picked at 43 or 63 and who they would have displaced from the line up?

 

[zoostation]

Put down the drugs

insightful

 

[Deus Irae]

I’d have thought they’d be used to it by now. Maybe they’ve been confused by all the Super Bowls. Simple fact is, BB doesn’t view defense in the same way the fans do.

BB drafts defense heavily. He just misses. 2011 is the last time this team drafted offense first, prior to getting Wynn.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I did like Carter to put in the mix. Would of been a keeper in my opinion.

 

[primetime]

Rivers is nothing until he is something. Hightower is a high injury risk. Shelton's here because he's been a disappointment. If people want to worry about the defense as it's currently constituted, they've got fair reasons to do so.

I agree, but nothing that was going to happen tonight would really have changed that. The number of 2nd rounders or later who have provided immediate high-level contributions on defense to the Patriots in the Beluchick era can be counted on one hand. Draft picks are for years 2-4 or 2-5, contributions as a rookie are mostly gravy (or because they're the last person standing). That's not just true of the Patriots, either.

 

[scott99]

not sure why so many think they had to get a QB in this draft. Brady will be playing for 3 more years..it wasn't a priority this year, no matter what the talking head media idiots want us to believe.

DEEP QB draft, deepest in years. Why not scout and come up with a plan for an heir apparent when there are so many GOOD ONES in a DEEP QB class, and then, actually use you high draft picks to get one of them. The next few years are not particularly deep QB wise. So say they use NEXT year’s 2nd round pick from Chicago to get Brady’s heir apparent, the QBs available in next year’s 2nd round, probably won’t be as good as the ones taken in rounds 3 and 4 in 2018.

No guarantees Brady plays 3 more years. He’s gonna be 41 in August for Christ’s sake.

 

[Lee144]

I’d have thought they’d be used to it by now. Maybe they’ve been confused by all the Super Bowls. Simple fact is, BB doesn’t view defense in the same way the fans do.

I think he views Defenses on ability to provide a solid performance to win Superbowls but maybe he doesn’t, maybe his aim is second place each year.

 

[Deus Irae]

insightful

No less so that your original post, for crying out loud..

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Rivers is nothing until he is something. Hightower is a high injury risk. Shelton's here because he's been a disappointment. If people want to worry about the defense as it's currently constituted, they've got fair reasons to do so.

That is certainly true of Rivers, but every player we draft this year as well is nothing until they're something.

As for Shelton, a lot of the reason he is here is because Cleveland has a new GM and new defensive scheme which he doesn't fit into.

 

[zimmy]

By the by, proving my skills as an evaluator are absolutely awful, Ronnie Harrison is still available and only 15 picks from reaching us. He was one of my binkies. Don't see us taking him now we took Dawson by anyway.

 

[Deus Irae]

People can moan about the D all they want. But can someone explain which LB or DE they would have picked at 43 or 63 and who they would have displaced from the line up?

Is it your position that he couldn't have traded up to get one of those players at some point in the draft?

 

[primetime]

By the by, proving my skills as an evaluator are absolutely awful, Ronnie Harrison is still available and only 15 picks from reaching us. He was one of my binkies. Don't see us taking him now we took Dawson by anyway.

Maurice Hurst is still available and I had him as a top-10 player. Though I suspect his fall is because his heart issue is a bigger deal than it was let on.

 

[Lee144]

What a joke of a draft plan. This draft, from the Patriots perspective reminds me of when I ask my wife to pick up beer at the supermarket and she comes back with ziplock bags and eggs.