Kraft Says No Brady Extension Needed

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Because he has a family and unlike other people on this planet might actually enjoy being around them to see his children grow up. I think the final Tom v Time episode made this pretty clear.

Hints the point where I said he takes time away. Also, what do you think he’s gonna be, some stay at home dad who does nothing all day while he waits for his kids to get home. I can see him doing that during their youth, but eventually they’ll grow to an age where he won’t be spending every last second with them. Not to mention, his wife is more of a business women more then she is a model, she’s not giving up her career/passion to spend every last second with them, why would he?!

 

[RobertWeathers]

It is what it is. You don’t extend a 41 year old QB with 2 years left. If brady still wants to play at 43 (or if they need cap money in 2019) they will deal with the contract then.
The chance of something happening to brady over the next 38 games that would change the outlook for 2020 is pretty high.
There is no rush. If brady wants to play in 2020 and is still capable they will write a contract.

Agree with that.

Clearly Wickersham thinks Tom still wants to get paid.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Hints the point where I said he takes time away. Also, what do you think he’s gonna be, some stay at home dad who does nothing all day while he waits for his kids to get home. I can see him doing that during their youth, but eventually they’ll grow to an age where he won’t be spending every last second with them. Not to mention, his wife is more of a business women more then she is a model, she’s not giving up her career/passion to spend every last second with them, why would he?!

When Tom retires he'll hang out at the local pub in the afternoons and get hammered and play Keno.

He'll be weighing 350 in no time

 

[Kontradiction]

for me, there is no difference

I would pretty much imagine that most Pats fans feel the same way.

 

[luuked]

Hints the point where I said he takes time away. Also, what do you think he’s gonna be, some stay at home dad who does nothing all day while he waits for his kids to get home. I can see him doing that during their youth, but eventually they’ll grow to an age where he won’t be spending every last second with them. Not to mention, his wife is more of a business women more then she is a model, she’s not giving up her career/passion to spend every last second with them, why would he?!

I think you are not aware how much time goes into coaching. It would be a lot more time consuming than even playing.

If anything he will most probably focus onto TB12 which will give him a more relaxed schedule to be around his family. This looks like more of a passion than anything that is not playing football for him.

 

[pats_premi]

Bob pay the man. He’s done a lot for you. I am sure that you can find loopholes in the cap. The question is do you want part away with your cash. Cut out the lip service, most folks know that you are a shrewd business man.

 

[Ring 6]

What’s to stop teams from just not counting anything on the cap? This shell game confuses the hell out of me

There are rules.
Short version: you get a signing bonus and annual salaries.
The signing bonus cap hit is spread equally across all years of the contract. The salaries are charged in the year they get paid.

 

[Soliel]

There are rules.
Short version: you get a signing bonus and annual salaries.
The signing bonus cap hit is spread equally across all years of the contract. The salaries are charged in the year they get paid.

Ok. I’ll have to study this as it’s like that time in math class.

 

[mgteich]

Tom will NOT be a coach. The time requirement is enormous. Brady might be involved in politics, backing candidates, raising money or eventually running himself. He might form a foundation. He might be a spokesman for some cause.

Brady is unlikely to stay inactive for long, but IMHO, when he hangs up his cleats, that will end his football involvement, other than perhaps (unlikely) an ownership position in a team.

 

[maust]

Ok. I’ll have to study this as it’s like that time in math class.

People get caught up in new money/old money and what is being paid specifically this year as though that happens in a vacuum even though contracts (at least the guaranteed portion of them) exist in their entirety. People can spin their wheels on it as much as they like or accept reality and realize it is the cap that drives the contract bus, all the number foolishness people entertain/torture themselves with is immaterial to that simple business imperative. The cap impact of any deal in terms of how it takes away from the amount remaining to put other personnel on the field is boss when it comes to whether a front office decides it's time a deal gets extended/renegotiated/negated, if it wasn't Brady would be making double what he is at a bare minimum. Any numbers other than the cap numbers aren't "like that time in math class" at all they are more akin to...

 

[mgteich]

Yes, the cap drives signing of contracts.

However, new money drives decision-making every year.

People get caught up in new money/old money and what is being paid specifically this year as though that happens in a vacuum even though contracts (at least the guaranteed portion of them) exist in their entirety. People can spin their wheels on it as much as they like or accept reality and realize it is the cap that drives the contract bus, all the number foolishness people entertain/torture themselves with is immaterial to that simple business imperative. The cap impact of any deal in terms of how it takes away from the amount remaining to put other personnel on the field is boss when it comes to whether a front office decides it's time a deal gets extended/renegotiated/negated, if it wasn't Brady would be making double what he is at a bare minimum. Any numbers other than the cap numbers aren't "like that time in math class" at all they are more akin to...

 

[maust]

Yes, the cap drives signing of contracts.

However, new money drives decision-making every year.

In this, as in most, instances I think it would be more accurate to say the cap drives a team's decision making as to whether to offer a contract and new money drives a player's as to whether to seek or sign one. I say in most because we are seeing a very different dynamic this year with the Rams who have an imperative to motivate a fan base to commit to the PSL's that started rolling out a few weeks ago.

 

[Hyped]

Brady is playing 2018 and 2019 for $15M a year. An extension wouldn't change that. What would change is the 2018 cap and the number of years of joint commitment.

Are you suggesting that if Brady comes to the team before the 2019 season that he would be more likely to sign to play for $15M in 2020 and 2021?

No, I am suggesting that Brady would want more money than 15M/AAV. Not because he's greedy, but because the cap keeps increasing every year and his contract is becoming a joke. I mean Rodgers is now in line for something in the neighborhood of 30M/AAV and even at a "discount"...Brady deserves something in the 17-21M/AAV range...and it wouldn't hurt us too much cap-wise.

And with an extension, you get a signing bonus up front which is prorated..so Brady's 15M/AAV could bump up to 16-17M depending on the bonus and length of extension.

Either way..I love the man!

 

[HailHydra]

Tom Brady will usurp Roger Goodell to be the next commissioner of the NFL.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, the cap drives signing of contracts.

However, new money drives decision-making every year.

Well new money is all you can do anything about. In Brady’s case 7 mill is hitting the cap this year and next year no matter what happens and nothing can be done to change that. The 15 mill new money can be.

So while the cap number will dictate the “budget” the new money is the only part that an extension can affect.

If we are talking about extending Brady 7 mill in 18 and 19 is irrelevant. He already has it and it’s altrady sunk in the cap charge. The 15 mill is the number that the team can move around if it wants to save on the cap.
One way would be to add 2 years and change 2018s remaining 15 mill to a 3 mill salary and 12 mill
Sb.

The 12 mill gets spread over 4 years.
So this years cap goes down to 13 mill:
7 mill old bonus
3 mill new bonus
3 mill salary
Saving 9 mill on the cap

Next years 22 increase to 25

2020 and 2021 would be salary plus 3 mill each.

So obviously both the cap number and new money are important. Assuming you want to have all the facts.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Prorated bonus money counted against cap, i.e., "dead money," does come into play. I'm not a capologist, but you cant go back in time and unpay it. I don't know the rules on saying retroactively, that money we've paid? We're amortizing it over X years, not Y years. At the very least, however, that would seem like a unilateral action so badda bing badda boom, right there, you have to bring in the player, you can't just shuffle the cost. The question on the table had something to do with kraft saying "no need" to restructure Brady.

Kraft might also be using the high-profile Brady situation to proclaim that he's fine with an uncapped year in/after '19 -- with plausible deniability. (You're okay reading it in a way that translates to "Brady will be gone by then.")

Frankly, and I know this is controversial, but I think Brady might have hit is peak, and the next 16 years might show some physical decline.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

By the way, OT, I miss the old injury report format, (Game time decision, shoulder) rather than the one that says practiced, fully practiced, limited practice, etc.

If it was the old one, every week I would put on Brady's injury report, "fallen, can't get up."

 

[1960Pats]

Makes sense to sign Brady from year to year with no guaranteed money if he adds years.
I do not think Brady will go more than the 2 years he has left ... so no need for a new deal.

When the end does come it will come quickly. Right now I'm hoping he has one more year in him.

 

[Deus Irae]

When the end does come it will come quickly.

How are you defining quickly, and what are you basing the "quickly" theory upon?

 

[Soliel]

I think this will be the last year for Brady. Wish I didn’t think that but I see him retiring after this season or one after that if we’re lucky. What Evers going on is having a ripple effect