Kraft Says No Brady Extension Needed

[mgteich]

Whether it would be his last season altogether or merely his last with the team is anyone’s guess.

for me, there is no difference

 

[mgteich]

I would hope that the plan calls for a backup to be ready for 2019, along with a #3 to start learning.

I would expect Hoyer to be here for as long as we need him. He should have a roster spot as long as stability and continuity is needed.

 

[IcyPatriot]

So, to be very clear, several of you think that we should be developing a QB with the strong possibility of him starting in 2020.

So, what is the best plan? Is 2 years of training the best plan, perhaps augmented with drafting another next year if it is deemed that insurance (and backup) is needed)?

We should draft at least a QB this year and next year.
I think we will draft 2 this year and 2 next year ... 1 high pick and 3 lower or undrafted total.
There will be 4 QB's in camp ... if nothing else to add a 3rd QB and a camp arm.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady is playing 2018 and 2019 for $15M a year. An extension wouldn't change that. What would change is the 2018 cap and the number of years of joint commitment.

Are you suggesting that if Brady comes to the team before the 2019 season that he would be more likely to sign to play for $15M in 2020 and 2021?

Why would you extend a 41 year old GOAT who is in a 15 mill deal?
The 15 mill is peanuts why would you move potential dead money into years he will be 43 and 44 to reduce an already good number?

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not sure how to interpret this?

It is what it is. You don’t extend a 41 year old QB with 2 years left. If brady still wants to play at 43 (or if they need cap money in 2019) they will deal with the contract then.
The chance of something happening to brady over the next 38 games that would change the outlook for 2020 is pretty high.
There is no rush. If brady wants to play in 2020 and is still capable they will write a contract.

 

[maust]

The longer he plays at 15M/year...the longer we stay at the top, IMO.

Brady is playing 2018 and 2019 for $15M a year. An extension wouldn't change that. What would change is the 2018 cap and the number of years of joint commitment.

Brady is not playing for $15m this year or next. The mediots at SI & PFT threw that incorrect number, that doesn't include his bonus cash at $7m per, out there this morning and it has been making the rounds all day. His cap hit is $22m in both years

 

[mgteich]

Brady is not playing for $15m this year or next. The mediots at SI & PFT threw that incorrect number, that doesn't include his bonus cash at $7m per, out there this morning and it has been making the rounds all day. His cap hit is $22m in both years

We disagree. The bonus money was paid years and years ago in a year with a low first year salary. Brady is being paid $15M for his 2018 services. To out it another way, let's say a new contract were written that included a new $14 bonus and $1M salary. So the cap would be $7M old bonus, $7M new bonus plus $1M salary this year and a $15M salary next.. According to you, Brady would now being paid $15M this this year and $29M next year, the value of his caps. For me, he would be getting the same $15M a year as before.

 

[Deus Irae]

1. The team doesn't need the space right now
   
2. Brady doesn't need more money right now
3. As Kraft noted, if things change, they can revisit the contract

Sometimes it's just simple.

 

[maust]

We disagree. The bonus money was paid years and years ago. Brady is being paid $15M for his 2018 services.

Uh, I agree that we definitely disagree but you are the one that is wrong. I am unclear how we can be in disagreement over the cap hit for an existing contract. Try looking something up rather than trusting the mediots because you have been misled by them. What exactly is your definition of 'years and years ago?' The money in question was from his extension signed in 2016. His cap numbers in both '18 & '19 are $22M, you can verify my statement at these two locations:
Tom Brady Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap
Tom Brady

Where can I verify your proclamation?

 

[Ring 6]

Brady is not playing for $15m this year or next. The mediots at SI & PFT threw that incorrect number, that doesn't include his bonus cash at $7m per, out there this morning and it has been making the rounds all day. His cap hit is $22m in both years

Semantics. Brady will make 15 mill this year. He was oaid a bonus in 2o16 if 28 mill that he pocketed in 2016 but is charged to the cap at 7 mill per year in 16,17,18,19.
So he is playing for 15 mill this year but the cap accounting charges the team 22 mill.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I think with this situation, we have to stop with "It is what it is."

I read Kraft's quote as "For whatever reason which we're not telling you, there's no need for a contract extension." We'll hear about it if this is just him saying it without him and Brady being on the same page before he said it, which I doubt.

Otherwise I have no idea what the page is. By the way, they could come back hold a joint press conference, with a calendar on a big screen and a laser pointer to point to his retirement date, and an explanation of exactly why they think that is the perfect date. Would I believe it? No. I mean, here we are in this conversation and we've already got Brady's plan on record to play (a) until he's 45 or (b) until he sucks.

I agree that Brady has managed to get his, while remaining cap-friendly. Of course nobody else gets this; they have an interest in believing that we lucked out in a zillion ways by drafting Brady, including believing that we have no cap problems because he "plays for peanuts." I'm not sure how many fan bases have a Miguel, but we do... organizing known information, the prerequisite to the wild-ass guessing we all enjoy, is a priceless foundation. (One more hats off to Miguel.)

My main point is, that Kraft line could mean anything you want it to. It could mean "We'll reevaluate." It could mean "We've got it worked out and we'll do the extension or new contract later." It could mean "He's gone after '19." It's a Rorschach test. It's meant to be. We've got eleventy seven investigations underway in this country and the most media-fueling pres in history, whether you like him or not, not to mention it's the off-season. Not to mention the Sawx are hawt. You've got to throw out some "talk more about the Pats" lines.

 

[mgteich]

Uh, I agree that we definitely disagree but you are the one that is wrong. I am unclear how we can be in disagreement over the cap hit for an existing contract. Try looking something up rather than trusting the mediots because you have been misled by them. What exactly is your definition of 'years and years ago?' The money in question was from his extension signed in 2016. His cap numbers in both '18 & '19 are $22M, you can verify my statement at these two locations:
Tom Brady Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap
Tom Brady

Where can I verify your proclamation?

I don't care what the cap hit is. I don't care what the bonus was. It is now irrelevant, other than to evaluate whether Brady and the team got a good deal so far. We can cut Brady or pay him $15M for 2018 services. That's just the way it is. We've had this discussion hundreds of times with regard to other players.

EXAMPLE
$9 Bonus
2017 salary $1M
2018 salary $11M
2019 salary $12M

QUESTION 1: How much is the player being paid for 2018 services. The answer is $11M NOT the cap hit of $14M.

QUESTION 2
If the player restructures on July 1, 2018 for a new contract that maintains the 2019 salary but moves $10M of 2018 salary to a new bonus, what is the payer being paid for his 2018 services. Is it the cap hit of $9M ($3M old bonus, $5M new bonus plus $1M salary)? OF COURSE NOT. The player is getting paid $11M for his 2018 services.

QUESTION 3
What would the player be paid for his 2019 services? Is it the cap of $20M? Of course not. It is the amount of the new money, his salary of $12M.

 

[HailHydra]

Its gonna be hilarious when 9 years from now we see a 50 year old Brady with gray hair throwing for 500 yards in the Super Bowl

 

[maust]

I don't care what the cap hit is. I don't care what the bonus was. It is now irrelevant, other than to evaluate whether Brady and the team got a good deal so far.

The cap number is the only relevant number.

 

[InRodWeRust]

 

[Deus Irae]

Brady is not playing for $15m this year or next. The mediots at SI & PFT threw that incorrect number, that doesn't include his bonus cash at $7m per, out there this morning and it has been making the rounds all day. His cap hit is $22m in both years

The cap number is the only relevant number.

Since you're discussing how much Brady is playing for this year, and not how much he counts against the cap, his cap number is irrelevant. What he's playing for this year is his base salary + incentives and bonuses that vest this season. You could argue that a portion of the signing bonus is built into the number, but that would be a bit misleading, since it only needs to be returned if Brady is the one who ends the contract, and it gets kept if the Patriots cut Brady.

Brady is getting $15m to play this upcoming season.

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Ive always felt Brady has a place with this team somewhere in the future after he hangs up his cleats.
Im sure hell step away and take some time off, but it would not surprise me one bit to see him have a position with the team somewhere down the road.

QB coach. well duh

Mcd Takes over, why not have Brady be the OC.

The Guy loves football almost more then anything. He won't stay away forever

 

[luuked]

The Guy loves football almost more then anything. He won't stay away forever

Because he has a family and unlike other people on this planet might actually enjoy being around them to see his children grow up. I think the final Tom v Time episode made this pretty clear.

 

[Soliel]

Semantics. Brady will make 15 mill this year. He was oaid a bonus in 2o16 if 28 mill that he pocketed in 2016 but is charged to the cap at 7 mill per year in 16,17,18,19.
So he is playing for 15 mill this year but the cap accounting charges the team 22 mill.

What’s to stop teams from just not counting anything on the cap? This shell game confuses the hell out of me

As far as watching kraft do grow up. Tom will get bored with that and start thinking about someone running a slant route. I say he plays till junior gets out of college and signs here. Can you imagine the howling despair?