Central Thread For Mourning/Canonizing Jimmy Garoppolo

[XLIX]

You don't need 20/20 hindsight for that. It's the common sense position that a year of a player is more valuable than part of a year.

You're missing the point. Yes, you can get more for him at the beginning of the season. The 20/20 hindsight comes in with knowing that the Patriots would not need him.

If they needed him, you'd be the first one in here saying "we should have kept him! we should have kept him!!"

And I'd you're going to discount the direct words from people involved in the trade then obviously you're set in your opinion and aren't open to considering anything else, making it pointless to continue.

Than drop out while the rest of us continue the conversation.

 

[condon84]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... the media reported it, so it must be true!!

As opposed to your quack theories hahahaha

 

[Bill Lee]

My opinion is that the "brain trust" would have been involved in evaluating compensation had this ever reached the point where a contract was being considered. But it never did, since Brady was still under contract.

I was thinking about the compensation for JG i.e. one 2nd round pick and a "wink wink nod nod" release of Hoyer so we have a backup we're comfortable with, versus what others here are calling for.

As for the cost of franchising him, had this ever reached the point where that was being considered, there was no need for the involvement of the "brain trust;" my 14 year old can compute that using Google...somewhere around $23 million.

Thanks for the snark, but to get the $23M next season you then need to make a whole lot of other decisions on who to cut ahead of plan, and what that does to your draft plan, and then what to do next year when the GOAT still is winning MVPs and hopefully Super Bowls and your backup now costs $34M. Not sure your kid will find that answer on Google.

 

[aluminum seats]

You're missing the point. Yes, you can get more for him at the beginning of the season. The 20/20 hindsight comes in with knowing that the Patriots would not need him.

If they needed him, you'd be the first one in here saying "we should have kept him! we should have kept him!!"
Than drop out while the rest of us continue the conversation.

No, again, Brady's 15+ year career means you roll the dice on a couple of months.

The Patriots sometimes make mistakes, it's ok to say it.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I was thinking about the compensation for JG i.e. one 2nd round pick and a "wink wink nod nod" release of Hoyer so we have a backup we're comfortable with, versus what others here are calling for.

Thanks for the snark, but to get the $23M next season you then need to make a whole lot of other decisions on who to cut ahead of plan, and what that does to your draft plan, and then what to do next year when the GOAT still is winning MVPs and hopefully Super Bowls and your backup now costs $34M. Not sure your kid will find that answer on Google.

Your first point: I'd be very, very surprised if Belichick discussed this with anyone in Foxboro before the deal was done. But, as I've said all along, I have no way of knowing that.

Your second point: Reverse Snark. It never got to the point where those calculations had to be made and everyone knew the number that would have to be worked around.

I'm kind of done with this conversation.

Merry Christmas.

 

[n1997y]

The obsession some of you have with this guy is disgusting.

True.

Now, please clarify one thing. When you say "this guy" do you mean Garropollo or Brady?

 

[VegasGuy]

True.

Now, please clarify one thing. When you say "this guy" do you mean Garropollo or Brady?

I think he's talking about Jimmy.

 

[XLIX]

As opposed to your quack theories hahahaha

What quack theory? I said Belichick did as well as possible given the circumstances.

If you think the theory that Belichick knows what he is doing is a “quack theory” then that reflects more on you than on me.

 

[XLIX]

No, again, Brady's 15+ year career means you roll the dice on a couple of months.

The Patriots sometimes make mistakes, it's ok to say it.

Gee what happened to the guy who said it was pointless to continue?

Absolutely the Patriots make mistakes. I can give a list of them. This, however, isn’t one of them.

 

[n1997y]

I think he's talking about Jimmy.

Probably, but the blind love for their respective binkie by each side is so totally 'dorbs. Can't tell them apart.

 

[aluminum seats]

Gee what happened to the guy who said it was pointless to continue?

Absolutely the Patriots make mistakes. I can give a list of them. This, however, isn’t one of them.

If you direct posts at me I'll respond, but it's clearly pointless. But I do think it's funny how you shift from:

it's not even remotely "easy to see" they could have gotten more

To:

Yes, you can get more for him at the beginning of the season.

Without, you know, pausing to say you were wrong.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think he's talking about Jimmy.

Defense Rules is a woman

 

[Huckleberry1]

Look forward to you posting all these examples.

You asked the same of me and I bumped half a dozen posts where people claimed Garrapolo was Steve Young/ Aaron Rodgers, one a Hall of Famer and the other a first ballot Hall of Famer, and many here as well as Volin on WEEI Friday have called Garrapolo a “ 10 year franchise QB. And I included your name in the posts to make you saw them.

No one is saying you made those claims but denying others are is to be willfully deaf and blind to the discussions.

 

[aluminum seats]

You asked the same of me and I bumped half a dozen posts where people claimed Garrapolo was Steve Young/ Aaron Rodgers, one a Hall of Famer and the other a first ballot Hall of Famer, and many here as well as Volin on WEEI Friday have called Garrapolo a “ 10 year franchise QB. And I included your name in the posts to make you saw them.

No one is saying you made those claims but denying others are is to be willfully deaf and blind to the discussions.

I'm sorry, I don't see that and I went back a few pages. Please repost.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I find it surprising that so many are already anointing Jimmy as the next great QB. He may well turn out to be, but it's been 4 games, and we haven't seen him do anything in the playoffs yet.

There are lots of great QBs, but none I'd take over TB12, especially come playoff time. Think about that Ravens game in 2014. We're down 14, come back to tie it up, then go back down 14 again. Or down 10 to the #1 defense going into the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Or the Atlanta Super Bowl. There's no guarantee any other QB in the history of the game pulls those 3 games out.

Brady's window is smaller than Jimmy's, but Brady guarantees you a chance to win a Super Bowl every single year. There's no other QB who can do that. Jimmy could be wildly successful, but we haven't seen him with the bright lights glaring in a high-pressure game. I'm not saying he can't do it, but we haven't seen it, and I don't know how so many people can propose dumping the GOAT without seeing a guy play a meaningful game.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm sorry, I don't see that and I went back a few pages. Please repost.

I think they went into the middle of the merged threads on Garrapolo rather than the end but I don’t know why they didn’t tag you. I’ll look but I’m not going to keep digging to prove the obvious to you. These comparisons are being made routinely.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm sorry, I don't see that and I went back a few pages. Please repost.

Found them, the thread was moved to the NFL Football forum. Thread title”Jimmy G throws for over 380 yards today” Just go to the last page and you will see them.

 

[aluminum seats]

Found them, the thread was moved to the NFL Football forum. Thread title”Jimmy G throws for over 380 yards today” Just go to the last page and you will see them.

Sorry again, don't see the NFL Football forum. If you could just repost or put in a link.

 

[sb1]

Sorry again, don't see the NFL Football forum. If you could just repost or put in a link.

As @Ivan noted and demonstrated- these things were said. And there are more examples too before the trade. We or anyone else have no reason to make these up. Quite amusing.

Belichick clearly decided that a 40 year old Brady whose window is closing - gives the team a better chance to win than JG, 14 years younger and with lots of upside. That tells me everything I need to know so I’m all in with that. Otherwise... if JG really was the next great superstar in the opinion of one of the greatest coaches in sports history..it wouldn’t have been JG who was traded. See Bledsoe, Drew.

As I said before, JG’s contributions here were wildly overrated by many. Nobody who likes their job will trade anything for that beyond what the team got.

 

[Kdo5]

I find it surprising that so many are already anointing Jimmy as the next great QB. He may well turn out to be, but it's been 4 games, and we haven't seen him do anything in the playoffs yet.

There are lots of great QBs, but none I'd take over TB12, especially come playoff time. Think about that Ravens game in 2014. We're down 14, come back to tie it up, then go back down 14 again. Or down 10 to the #1 defense going into the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Or the Atlanta Super Bowl. There's no guarantee any other QB in the history of the game pulls those 3 games out.

Brady's window is smaller than Jimmy's, but Brady guarantees you a chance to win a Super Bowl every single year. There's no other QB who can do that. Jimmy could be wildly successful, but we haven't seen him with the bright lights glaring in a high-pressure game. I'm not saying he can't do it, but we haven't seen it, and I don't know how so many people can propose dumping the GOAT without seeing a guy play a meaningful game.

Yeah it is a very small sample size. I do have to admit that Jimmy's play does not look flukey in the slightest. The guy knows what he is doing, good mechanics and poise. His supporting cast isn't very good and that team was garbage before he took over. But he has it running pretty smoothly in such a short amount of time. If he stays healthy he will be a great QB, I have little doubt about it.

Still I need to see what he does with a full season before I can confirm that belief.