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It's too bad that Burkhead was hurt because Dion Lewis and Rex Burkhead were forming an awesome one-two punch. In fact, it got me thinking........do I like the main combo of Lewis and Burkhead this year over Blount and White of last year?

Even though I like Blount over Burkhead better as a runner and I like White over Lewis as a receiver, oddly I like the combo of Lewis/Burkhead better because they are BOTH versatile.

When either Lewis or Burkhead is on the field the defense doesn't have a good idea if it's run or pass. Oppositely, Blount and White are pretty much one dimensional even if they are both really good at that dimension.

So with Burkhead on the sideline I think that Gillislee will be back in the mix. While he's been good he doesn't provide that X factor that keeps the defense on it's toes.
 
Blount and White won a superbowl last year. Pretty effective. Hoping to see same results out of all the RB's this post season.
 
Blount, White, Burkhead & Lewis would have been AWESOME!
 
I know many won’t agree but I think they intend to utilize Gillislee more in the postseason. They’ve kept him very fresh. I can see him being the late game battering ram that Blount sometimes served as.
 
I know many won’t agree but I think they intend to utilize Gillislee more in the postseason. They’ve kept him very fresh. I can see him being the late game battering ram that Blount sometimes served as.
I totally agree. That was my thought process all along. Why else would he be here? We know he can run his ass off. Also, he’ll have super fresh legs. Maybe he can run us all the way to Minnesota. I can already picture an NFL analyst saying “Can you believe it, this guy hasn’t been active much all season & here he is with 150 yards 2 TDs in an AFCCG?!!”
 
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I like Burkhead, but I don't see what seemingly everyone else sees in him. As a rusher, he's mediocre to okay. As a receiver, he's pretty good but so are 2 other current Patriots RBs. I've been more impressed by White's receiving skills and what Lewis can do with the ball in his hands (I might even prefer White's moves over Burkhead).

He's a good rotational/depth piece but absolutely not a weapon. That being said, I certainly had no issue with him taking White's role. He's just more of a "jack of all trades, master of none" type, which is inherently less exciting. I suppose his increased role over White was because of his rushing skillset.

Also, he seemed to have slightly worse ball security than the other guys on our team.
 
All of the above keep me very busy
 
I know many won’t agree but I think they intend to utilize Gillislee more in the postseason. They’ve kept him very fresh. I can see him being the late game battering ram that Blount sometimes served as.

I don’t think BB would inactivate anyone that would help the team win. If anything, following your principle, Lewis is the one that should be kept fresh until the postseason. He’s the best RB of the group and more prone to injury (knock on wood). BB has said countless times before that you want the best players on the field. In regards to plays, he has kept a few of those for the postseason or very important games.
 
I know many won’t agree but I think they intend to utilize Gillislee more in the postseason. They’ve kept him very fresh. I can see him being the late game battering ram that Blount sometimes served as.

I see where you are going with this but I don't quite agree.

Gillislee's 101 carries last year were a career high. This year he basically hit that number Week 8.

If Gillislee was busting 10+ yard runs like he did last year and the year before he'd be seeing more carries.

I figured him to be at 180-200 carries this year.

In the playoffs it depends on the matchups. Additionally I don't expect the Pats to change their approach.

Seeing how he is fairly one dimensional, I don't expect to see a big dose of Gillislee in the playoffs.
 
I'd like to give Gillislee a shot with Develin blocking the way he is now

but some guys just don't excel in certain blocking schemes so we see! we see!
 
Blount was awesome, I’d prefer we kept him, Lewis and add Burkhead and white as the rotation. I know there was mutual intrest too but it was not to be. Now, on the comparison, Blount and white pulled some serious playoff plays. They had great years and the Super Bowl performance was epic.

This year, Lewis is on a whole other planet as a running back. From what I’ve seen of him this year I’d have to say the guy is fun to watch because he is like a small Walter Payton. Burkhead has brought good elements with him in his multi purpose role, which is cool because Blount didn’t catch well. I don’t think Blount was ever on special teams either so while different, these two are more dynamic. Maybe bills saving and training up gillislee for the playoffs as a bruiser back like Blount. Now, if they seal the deal in the playoffs, and play as well or better as it gets harder deep in the playoffs. We’d have to reassess one tandem vs the other.
 
Blount and White won a superbowl last year. Pretty effective. Hoping to see same results out of all the RB's this post season.

I'd argue that Blount was a net negative in the Pats' playoff run. In 6 playoff games with the team he had one really great game against the Colts and a bunch of outright useless ones. He was ineffective in both Super Bowls and his fumble in SB51 was a game changer at the time.

It's hard to remember a player who gets more overrated on the basis of a few good games against mostly terrible run D's.
 
I like Burkhead, but I don't see what seemingly everyone else sees in him. As a rusher, he's mediocre to okay. As a receiver, he's pretty good but so are 2 other current Patriots RBs. I've been more impressed by White's receiving skills and what Lewis can do with the ball in his hands (I might even prefer White's moves over Burkhead).

He's a good rotational/depth piece but absolutely not a weapon. That being said, I certainly had no issue with him taking White's role. He's just more of a "jack of all trades, master of none" type, which is inherently less exciting. I suppose his increased role over White was because of his rushing skillset.

Also, he seemed to have slightly worse ball security than the other guys on our team.

Burkhead rushing:
6.4 totes/game ... 26.4 yds/game ... 4.1 ypa ... 5 rushing TDs


2017 Fumbles (lost + not lost):
Amendola = 2/76 touches (receiving & returns)
Gronk = 1/64 touches
Burkhead = 1/95 touches
Gillislee = 1/98 touches

Lewis = 172 touches, 0 fumbles (had 3 fumbles in 118 touches last season, including playoffs)
White = 99 touches, 0 fumbles (he's had 1 fumble in 314 total touches during his Pats career)
 
This years griup is alot more versatile, and lewis is the best runner weve had in a long time, just not very durable. Thats what makes having burkhead so important having 2 dual threats. When both are healthy, i think its the best backfield weve had since dillon.

White was looking to really flourish with better running in between the tackles early on but hasnt, anyway it wouldve only been icing on the cake. Still great as your 3rd rb. At the very least, the ground game cant be any less productive in the playoffs than it was with blount/white/vereen the past few seasons aside from the gimme colts games.
 
It's too bad that Burkhead was hurt because Dion Lewis and Rex Burkhead were forming an awesome one-two punch. In fact, it got me thinking........do I like the main combo of Lewis and Burkhead this year over Blount and White of last year?

Even though I like Blount over Burkhead better as a runner and I like White over Lewis as a receiver, oddly I like the combo of Lewis/Burkhead better because they are BOTH versatile.

When either Lewis or Burkhead is on the field the defense doesn't have a good idea if it's run or pass. Oppositely, Blount and White are pretty much one dimensional even if they are both really good at that dimension.

So with Burkhead on the sideline I think that Gillislee will be back in the mix. While he's been good he doesn't provide that X factor that keeps the defense on it's toes.

I agree that this season's RB Corps is far more dynamic and diverse in skill set - over Blount. However, in terms of rushing production, it isn't quite a 1-to-1 (or 2-to-2) correspondence from last year to this year.

For one thing, White's rushing production thru 14 games this season is nearly identical to his 2016 regular season production:
2016 = 39 totes/166 yds
2017 = 43 totes/171 yds

OTOH, Blount alone 2016:
... 299 totes/1161 yds, 18 TDs

THIS season, there's Lewis+Burkhead+Gilly:
... 292 totes/1293 yds, 13 TDs (thru 14 games)

So, it's that RB trio that has more or less replaced (and has exceeded, or will exceed) Blount's 2016 production.
... [random factoid alert] In 2016, Lewis also kicked in 64 totes/283 yds, which roughly equals Burkhead's 64/265 this season.

In 2016, (including token contributions from Foster and Bolden) RB rushing production totaled:
... 411 totes/1610 yds, 18 TDs (all TDs were Blount's)

In 2017 so far:
... 335 totes/1465 yds, 13 TDs

So, in order to match last season's total RB rushing production, over the next two games Lewis/White/Gilly will need to get:
... 74 more totes (37/game) - seems a bit unlikely
... 155 more yds (78/game) - easily accomplished
... 5 more TDs - probably a stretch

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In terms of total yards from scrimmage (carries + catches):
Lewis = 824 yds (674 rush + 150 rec) ... 14 games (may hit 1,000)
White = 600 yds (171 rush + 429 rec) ... 14 games
Burkhead = 518 yds (264 rush + 254 rec) ... 10 games
Gilly = 355 yds (all rush) ... 8 games

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In terms of RB receiving:
In 2016, the RBs caught 87 of 124 tgts (70%) for 700 yds (8.0 ypc) and 5 TDs (all White's)
... White also had 69% of all RB receptions last season

In 2017, the RBs have caught 107 of 131 tgts (82%) for 833 yds (7.8 ypc) and 7 TDS (3 by White)
... this is through 14 games
... Lewis = 21/23, 150 yds, 1 TD ... 14 games (he had 17 of 24, 94 yds in only 7 games last season)
... Burkhead = 30/36, 254 yds, 3 TD ... 10 games
... White = 56/72, 429 yds, 3 TD ... 14 games
....... White's 60 receptions in 2016 represented 69% of all RB receiving
....... White's 56 receptions in 2017 represent only 52% of all RB receiving
 
He can help but the others rbs help more. It’s mainly in regards to BB saying he wants the best players on the field.

Or the most useful for what needs to be accomplished. Without Edelman, all pass-catchers instantly became more valuable even than they were before.

I have a really nice ball-peen hammer in my workshop that I prefer to use on many tasks. However, when I need to pull nails, it's not as useful as one of my claw hammers. Doesn't mean that the claw hammers are inherently "better".
 
Or the most useful for what needs to be accomplished. Without Edelman, all pass-catchers instantly became more valuable even than they were before.

I have a really nice ball-peen hammer in my workshop that I prefer to use on many tasks. However, when I need to pull nails, it's not as useful as one of my claw hammers. Doesn't mean that the claw hammers are inherently "better".

For some reason, your post wasn't showing up for me, and I just posted about the offensive changes because of Edelman impacting the RB usage (I deleted it, in favor of this response to you). I think the Edelman absence matters when people are trying the comparison, because that's a huge difference. The Patriots have effectively eliminated the 1dRB tandem, comparatively speaking, in favor of multiple avenues of pass catching.
 
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