Quarterbacks Thankful That They Have A Job

[Gwedd]

CK is his own worst enemy. He listened to folks around him, got involved in a political shtick, and is now paying the price for it.

If he wants t know why he isn't signed to a team, all he needs to do is look in a mirror.

 

[ALP]

ok...does ANYONE reading this thread think Kap doesn't have a job b/c of on the field football related reasons?

I doubt it...i think its obvious to all of us the reason he doesn't...but if an owner wants to go against the self interest of his team winning its their choice

 

[DarrylS]

I always thought that the idea of an NFL team was to have ready the best and deepest squad available.. guess I am wrong, do not see where one guy would destabilize or destroy a franchise for exercising his First Amendment Rights..

Some of these franchises are on the other side of being "destroyed"...

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I saw that list on another Yahoo article lobbying for the return of (seems to be a regular thing) CK.

By my math, he is 4-16 over the past 2 seasons. QBR is a simple formula calculating TDs, INTs, yardage, and completion percentage. A QB can do nothing, rack up a few TDs in garbage time with easy throws when the game is out of hand, and look awesome. At the same time, he can lose every single game with an awesome QBR, which is not what you want of a QB.

The list is comprised of rookies, draft picks believed to work in a system (Osweiler and Siemian), and familiar QBs (Cutler). Yahoo is getting a little tedious with this line of stories, as they seem to ignore the basic fact that the throws he never made could easily explain the 4-16 record and there is nothing to suggest he could duplicate his rating in an unfamiliar system. But the articles keep on coming.

QB Rating is imperfect, absolutely.

But I don't think the record is the best measure of evaluation either. A similar loser would be Josh McCown, who was 1-10 in his previous 2 seasons, 2-20 in his previous 3. He was actually pretty decent in his first season in Cleveland, but went 1-7 because the team was atrocious. His QBR was 79.3 over that period, he completed less than 59% of his passes, and still got a starting job for the Jets, where he's actually won 4 games so far, double his total from the previous 3 seasons.

I have no problem with keeping Kaepernick out of the league for political reasons. The locker room matters. It's important. But people need to stop arguing it's talent-based.

 

[RobertWeathers]

CK is his own worst enemy. He listened to folks around him, got involved in a political shtick, and is now paying the price for it.

If he wants t know why he isn't signed to a team, all he needs to do is look in a mirror.

Personally, I think he's a below average passer. He's obviously a running threat so that helps justify his field time.

Is he better than the players listed? Some I guess but here's the thing. Kap divides and a QB cannot divide an NFL locker room. Additionally, a QB needs to carry out the FOs and coach's MO. Because of his steadfastness to march to his own agenda, that is also something Kap has against him.

Ultimately, players are employees, need to be marketable and are paid accordingly as such.

It is for those reasons Kap is sitting on the couch and he no one to blame but himself.

 

[primetime]

Kap divides and a QB cannot divide an NFL locker room. Additionally, a QB needs to carry out the FOs and coach's MO. Because of his steadfastness to March to his own agenda, that is also something Kap has against him.

Ultimately, players are employees, need to be marketable and are paid accordingly as such.

I don't care all that much about Kaepernick, but nothing I read suggested a divided locker room. Divided fanbase, angry cops, whatever, sure. It may not be good business to sign Kaepernick (though I'll admit I don't understand why there's a special animus against him when half the league has kneeled), but it's not for locker room reasons.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't care all that much about Kaepernick, but nothing I read suggested a divided locker room. Divided fanbase, angry cops, whatever, sure. It may not be good business to sign Kaepernick (though I'll admit I don't understand why there's a special animus against him when half the league has kneeled), but it's not for locker room reasons.

I'm assuming because there are fans who have a problem with his politics there players who also have a problem with it.

I suspect the owners view Kap as the outspoken organizer who chose to put his politics ahead of the harmony of the team.

 

[mosi]

Certain people will never agree that Kap is not on a team for a reason beyond his play. Even if his QB rating and fantasy points land him way above the junk QBs playing now.

It is ok that teams don't want him on there team for various reasons. These are private companies and they can do what they want. But don't tell me with a straight face that it is all about his game.

 

[TomPatriot]

I'm assuming because there are fans who have a problem with his politics there players who also have a problem with it.

I suspect the owners view Kap as the outspoken organizer who chose to put his politics ahead of the harmony of the team.

Tim Tebow says hello.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Tim Tebow says hello.

Explain.

 

[Ivan]

Wow, how dare teams not sign a radicalized prick.

I wouldn’t sign Kaepernick because he doesn’t care about football, however the “radicalized pricks” are the morons who voted for the fascist sack of **** golfing at Mar a Lago.

 

[TomPatriot]

Explain.

CK took a knee for a cause that is certainly not popular. TT spouted his Christian faith far and wide, refused to play any position other than QB and never worked to improve his miserable mechanics. Tebow put his faith ahead of everything else, including football and his team. Yet he got umpteenth chances to play, though he was nowhere near as good a QB as many others, and certainly not in CK’s class.

 

[patriot1136]

What about the $$? What teams actually pay Kaepernick? Would he settle for the vet. minimum? No one seems to be talking about the financial side of things.

 

[RobertWeathers]

CK took a knee for a cause that is certainly not popular. TT spouted his Christian faith far and wide, refused to play any position other than QB and never worked to improve his miserable mechanics. Tebow put his faith ahead of everything else, including football and his team. Yet he got umpteenth chances to play, though he was nowhere near as good a QB as many others, and certainly not in CK’s class.

There is no comparison.

Tebow has been cut by numerous teams because he is just a ****ty QB. His faith has had nothing to do with his inability to stay in the NFL.

 

[TomPatriot]

There is no comparison.

Tebow has been cut by numerous teams because he is just a ****ty QB. His faith has had nothing to do with his inability to stay in the NFL.

I agree completely. That’s not my point. In spite of his faith being broadcast everywhere, he got numerous chances, even though he was a ****ty QB, with nowhere near CK’s abilities. He had the right image, color and ideology for the NFL. CK doesn’t.

 

[primetime]

I'm assuming because there are fans who have a problem with his politics there players who also have a problem with it.

I suspect the owners view Kap as the outspoken organizer who chose to put his politics ahead of the harmony of the team.

I don't necessarily agree with the politics of everyone I work with. I don't need to.

I suspect the owners view Kaepernick as a PR nightmare. I don't think the product on the field plays into their calculus one bit.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree completely. That’s not my point. In spite of his faith being broadcast everywhere, he got numerous chances, even though he was a ****ty QB, with nowhere near CK’s abilities. He had the right image, color and ideology for the NFL. CK doesn’t.

I'm not sure the color of his skin and his faith had anything to do with why Tebow received multiple chances to join an NFL team.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't necessarily agree with the politics of everyone I work with. I don't need to.

I suspect the owners view Kaepernick as a PR nightmare. I don't think the product on the field plays into their calculus one bit.

Yes and I firmly believe if the owners and FO folk thought Kap was the second coming of Tom Brady and would make them a 12 win team they would make room on their roster for him and the PR spin doctoring would be in full force.

 

[Ring 6]

QB Rating

1. COLIN KAEPERNICK 90.7*
2. Jay Cutler 82.7
3. Blake Bortles 81.8
4. Mitchell Trubisky 78.2
5. Mike Glennon 76.9
6. Trevor Siemian 76.8
7. Tom Savage 71.2
8. Drew Stanton 68.9
9. Brock Osweiler 65.5
10. Brett Hundley 63.3
11. DeShone Kizer 54.0

It’s totally ridiculous to use qb rating and consider it the sole judgment if a qb. It’s even more ridiculous to do it with a qb who led the worst (or 2nd worst) passing offense and scoring offense in the entire league.

Formulas don’t play football.

 

[Ring 6]

I can not for the life of me figure out what Cleveland is doing,

Kizer is crap and at least kapernick would give them some experience at the position.

A crappy, older QB with experience is exactly what they don’t need. They need to try to develop a qb who might become good not their a slug in there who will never get better than the crappy play he put out there the last 2 years.