Quarterbacks Thankful That They Have A Job

[mgteich]

QB Rating

1. COLIN KAEPERNICK 90.7*
2. Jay Cutler 82.7
3. Blake Bortles 81.8
4. Mitchell Trubisky 78.2
5. Mike Glennon 76.9
6. Trevor Siemian 76.8
7. Tom Savage 71.2
8. Drew Stanton 68.9
9. Brock Osweiler 65.5
10. Brett Hundley 63.3
11. DeShone Kizer 54.0

 

[VegasGuy]

Wow, some of these guys are just pathetic.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Kaep is a better QB than Brady was in his first Super Bowls, and better than Montana in 3 Superbowls since his rating was higher one year. Either that or rating isn't all that meaningful.

 

[fxmallon]

Kaep's lifetime qb rating is 88.9. It was 90.7 last year.

How many current NFL quarterbacks, starters or backups, have higher ratings? I'll bet the list probably includes fewer than say 15, at lest for those with at least 4-5 years of full time equivalent experience.

 

[Charlotte Pats Fan]

Purpose of the thread?

 

[TBR]

Wow, how dare teams not sign a radicalized prick.

 

[mgteich]

Signing players is about much more than the probability of winning.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Kaep is a better QB than Brady was in his first Super Bowls, and better than Montana in 3 Superbowls since his rating was higher one year. Either that or rating isn't all that meaningful.

THIS!

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I can not for the life of me figure out what Cleveland is doing,

Kizer is crap and at least kapernick would give them some experience at the position.

 

[Charlotte Pats Fan]

I can not for the life of me figure out what Cleveland is doing,

Kizer is crap and at least kapernick would give them some experience at the position.

At this point why would Cleveland care about winning?

 

[SammyBlueCat]

The league is watered down when the season starts. As the year goes on, injuries take a toll on every team.

 

[MassPats38]

THIS!

I saw that list on another Yahoo article lobbying for the return of (seems to be a regular thing) CK.

By my math, he is 4-16 over the past 2 seasons. QBR is a simple formula calculating TDs, INTs, yardage, and completion percentage. A QB can do nothing, rack up a few TDs in garbage time with easy throws when the game is out of hand, and look awesome. At the same time, he can lose every single game with an awesome QBR, which is not what you want of a QB.

The list is comprised of rookies, draft picks believed to work in a system (Osweiler and Siemian), and familiar QBs (Cutler). Yahoo is getting a little tedious with this line of stories, as they seem to ignore the basic fact that the throws he never made could easily explain the 4-16 record and there is nothing to suggest he could duplicate his rating in an unfamiliar system. But the articles keep on coming.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

CK's numbers using the last 3 seasons played:

Avg net passing yards per game: 210, 176, 187 (the 3 year average would put him, in 2017, 29th)

Avg net yards per attempt: 6.9, 6.2, 7.2 (3 year average puts him around 25th in 2017)

Completion percentage: 60, 59, 59.2 (a 3 year average that would put him around 29th in 2017).

Last 3 years average: INT ratio is slightly better than average, his TD ratio is below average, his sack ratio is below average, his run production is well above average, his win total is well below average, 28 fumbles is worse than average, rush yards per attempt well above average.

One can argue losing the good coach was the big factor for the significant drop off in last 3 years versus the very good play from the first 2 years. OTOH one can argue DC's caught up to him. One can argue his first two years he had a top tier great team around him to make him look better (anyone QB could have looked good) or argue the last 3 years he had a low tier bad team to make him look worse (not even Brady could look good). On those fronts I don't care one iota. Make your own call whatever it may be. But posting a lifetime QB rating without looking at the most recent production and deeper into these numbers isn't just. Many QBs could be looked at lifetime but looking at their most recent sample would paint a different picture (both good and bad).

 

[VectorPrime]

Kaep is good enough to start for at least 10 teams and could backup 32 of them. But that's beside the point now.

 

[Deus Irae]

Really stupid O.P..

The moment Kizer and Trubisky were included, it became worse than irrelevant. You're better than that, Mg.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

I saw that list on another Yahoo article lobbying for the return of (seems to be a regular thing) CK.

By my math, he is 4-16 over the past 2 seasons. QBR is a simple formula calculating TDs, INTs, yardage, and completion percentage. A QB can do nothing, rack up a few TDs in garbage time with easy throws when the game is out of hand, and look awesome. At the same time, he can lose every single game with an awesome QBR, which is not what you want of a QB.

The list is comprised of rookies, draft picks believed to work in a system (Osweiler and Siemian), and familiar QBs (Cutler). Yahoo is getting a little tedious with this line of stories, as they seem to ignore the basic fact that the throws he never made could easily explain the 4-16 record and there is nothing to suggest he could duplicate his rating in an unfamiliar system. But the articles keep on coming.

Absolutely. ... And you know where I learned that?

Right here at Patsfans Forum.
...From guys/or girls like yourself .

"the PC police may be watching"

 

[Deus Irae]

What do you do when you ignore context? You have............

Fun with numbers!

Brian Hoyer's QB ratings for the last 2 years:

91.4
98.0

Matt Moore's QB ratings for the last 2 years:

118.7
105.6

Mike Glennon's QB ratings for his last 2 years:

83.3
125.4

Colin Kaepernick's QBs ratings for the last 2 years:

78.5
90.7

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Kaep is good enough to start for at least 10 teams and could backup 32 of them. But that's beside the point now.

Kaep year 1 and 2 numbers/overall production was good enough to get a multi year many places, certainly where there was an opening for a QB on a team trying to build a winner or a team not built to need a pass heavy QB.

Kaep the last three years production would be good enough to start on a team that's roadmap to victory was based on running (he's good), strict avoidance of Ints (he's good), with passing yards expected to be the compliment to the main focus of running and possession/game management (Bills, for example, might be a perfect spot. But with their D tanking so badly Kaep would be best to avoid IMHO and look to next year. Getting a job that will make him look bad would be a poor move). His net passing yards per game (even in his stellar first two years) has been consistently among the lowest and that would make him a bad fit for teams built for pass offense production to lead the team's scoring.
How many teams fit that bill is ??? (who knows, maybe it is 10, maybe less or maybe more) but you are looking at it from a one size fits all/without any nuance.

For backup, if you are a pass heavy reliant team then why would you pay vet+ money for a QB that doesn't have pass number track record to fit your pass heavy scheme?

IMHO, Kaep doesn't have a job because GMs/HCs were too concerned he would be a detriment, not because he wasn't good enough to be a backup. Fair or unfair that's why. Of course there is no rule that any free agent needs to be signed, and any FA that may be considered a detriment to a team is an understandable no sign decision (I think even you would be on board with BB avoiding guys that would be a detriment?). However, if the owners got together to collectively decide to not sign him (as is Kaep's charge) that is 110% wrong and the owners should pay for that. If owners can be allowed to do that? That is a tolling bell that will surely be wrung for an ever growing variety of reasons.

With the season in late November, the football aspect is nearing a dead discussion isn't it? At this point Kaep is a political discussion. So whether you believe Kaep is a martyr or you believe he is just a knucklehead, if he wants a job as an NFL QB and with so many GMS/HCs passing on him, it is on Kaep to make them believe otherwise/get the discussion about him to be about football. That is on no one else but him, however, the hoopla from a dimwit sports media that surrounds him is going to make that difficult. Whether you or other supporters like it or not, Kaep will have to make it clear to these dimwits that his focus will be 100% on helping the team win in any way he can. Right or wrong that's the cold, hard, reality.

 

[rochrist]

Kaep is a better QB than Brady was in his first Super Bowls, and better than Montana in 3 Superbowls since his rating was higher one year. Either that or rating isn't all that meaningful.

The ratings between now and then are not comparable. The rules for the passing game were completely different back then. There's a reason Brady went from averaging 25TDs a season to throwing 50 and going on to average 35 a season.

 

[Deus Irae]

The ratings between now and then are not comparable. The rules for the passing game were completely different back then. There's a reason Brady went from averaging 25TDs a season to throwing 50 and going on to average 35 a season.

Sorry, but you're providing context, and we can't be having any of that.