Patriots Player Departure Jimmy Garoppolo traded to SF for 2018 2nd round draft pick

[Ring 6]

WHAT?! You are so full of crap. I don't know if you're sniffing glue or have me confused with someone else. I NEVER "predicted" Brady would be gone and JG would take over. I had expressed hope that JG eventually would succeed Brady when the time came and that the Patriots would find a way to keep him aboard long enough, which they apparently tried pretty hard at. Actually, you might want to ask yourself why.

Your blind Brady worship defies rationality. The guy is the GOAT but he won't last forever. All we can hope is that whoever eventually succeeds him is as promising as JG.

If I have you mistaken for someone else, thats on me. I seem to remember you predicting JAG would be the QB next year, and Brady would be traded or retire. I will go back at some point and reread, and you will be owed an apology if so.

JAG was never going to be the successor. It was just not possible. Brady is still the best QB in the NFL and JAG was never going to sign a contract to stay a backup. Brady plays as long as Brady can, and the backup/successor is whoever you have in place when the time comes. I'm sure the successor will be just as promising, whether he has played 6 quarters or not yet.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Pats Fan since 74

Does not understand basic FA principles and trading.

Does not compute.

See my answer above to @archstanton543. Nowhere in my post do I use the word "trade." Rather, I was referring to the decision to move Garoppolo, which, Duh!, could not include a Trade once he became a FA. But, he isn't an FA until his Contract expires. Until the Trade Deadline "do it" and the range of "decisions" BB had included "Trade" and not just "Tag, Sign or Release."

My personal view (and we're all just guessing) is that BB hoped JAG would be viewed as worth a #1 during the past offseason.

However, since he didn't get a #1 offer in the offseason BB, on this view, had decided long ago that he couldn't keep both Brady and JAG without limiting his other Roster options in an unacceptable manner. His fallback was to wait as long as reasonably possible to get as high a comfort level as possible (he could still go down in Practice ten days from now) that Brady would remain healthy. Turned out that it was very convenient that the Bye week came as late as it did and happened to fall during the week of the Trade Deadline. Sometime in the last few weeks, BB decided to move Garoppolo after Brady had gotten through half the season.

So, BB decided to go "all in" on Brady and originally planned to get Hoyer as a Backup who knew his system as part of the deal. However, he learned that had Hoyer been part of a trade it would have thrown a wrench in the standing compensatory pick arrangement, so now he'll have to cut a deal with him, if that remains his plan.

I'll conclude with a quote from Belichick's Presser this morning: “We probably had, in my opinion, the best quarterback situation in the league in the last, call it two-and-a-half years, it’s just not sustainable given the way that things are set up. It’s definitely not something that we wanted to walk away from and I felt like we rode it out as long as we could.’’

 

[sambam94]

with stud qbs in this draft, why didn't SF just draft one with the 1st or 2nd overall pick and save their #2 pick? They must value Jimmy G much more obviously..

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

with stud qbs in this draft, why didn't SF just draft one with the 1st or 2nd overall pick and save their #2 pick? They must value Jimmy G much more obviously..

Barkley. They prob found the idea of getting the qb with the 2nd rounder and grabbing Hyde’s replacement a better idea. Like the chargers did years back with Tomlinson r1 followed up with brees

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

with stud qbs in this draft, why didn't SF just draft one with the 1st or 2nd overall pick and save their #2 pick? They must value Jimmy G much more obviously..

99% of rookies have no idea what their doing for a long while.

Jimmy is light years ahead of anyone coming out.

Something else I've been saying since this last draft is SF will have a nasty D very soon. Possibly the best in a year or 2. They have some legit studs on that team and the fans have no idea.

Jacksonville should have been all over Jimmy.

 

[Tunescribe]

If I have you mistaken for someone else, thats on me. I seem to remember you predicting JAG would be the QB next year, and Brady would be traded or retire. I will go back at some point and reread, and you will be owed an apology if so.

You do that. I will anticipate your apology.

JAG was never going to be the successor. It was just not possible. Brady is still the best QB in the NFL and JAG was never going to sign a contract to stay a backup. Brady plays as long as Brady can, and the backup/successor is whoever you have in place when the time comes. I'm sure the successor will be just as promising, whether he has played 6 quarters or not yet.

If JG never was viewed by BB as Brady's potential successor, then the Patriots conducted themselves incoherently by not trading him for a bigger return last spring and then entering contract talks with him over the spring and summer. I have no doubt they badly wanted to retain him as Brady's eventual successor and tried, as far as even considering franchising him according to multiple reports.

There really is no other explanation for keeping such a valuable asset as long as they did under present circumstances. Otherwise, they would have traded him last spring and retained Brissett as backup.

 

[Bill Lee]

99% of rookies have no idea what their doing for a long while.

Jimmy is light years ahead of anyone coming out.

I also don't think we should underestimate the idea of having JG learning the system starting right now, and the ability to go into next season having the QB position under control (presuming they extend him soon, which I've read they are going to try to do).

Not every team can tank year after year like CLE and keep their fans coming to the park. Not every front office staff can keep their jobs with no talent on the team. SF has just made a big step forward, all for a 2nd rounder.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

It doesn't matter _now_ if anyone offered a better package before the season. That ship has sailed.

With the trade deadline today and a real chance at watching him walk for nothing other than a 3rd round comp pick at best, the Pats had to make a move if they wanted something. Pats had to hope to find a trade partner who was looking to throw a huge contract at someone with 6 quarters of early season game film under his belt and give up a high round pick in return. SF stepped up. Good. Bird-in-hand, yada yada.

Regards,
Chris

 

[Ring 6]

You do that. I will anticipate your apology.

If JG never was viewed by BB as Brady's potential successor, then the Patriots conducted themselves incoherently by not trading him for a bigger return last spring and then entering contract talks with him over the spring and summer. I have no doubt they badly wanted to retain him as Brady's eventual successor and tried, as far as even considering franchising him according to multiple reports.

There really is no other explanation for keeping such a valuable asset as long as they did under present circumstances. Otherwise, they would have traded him last spring and retained Brissett as backup.

There are plenty of explanations and they don’t require citing speculation by reporters and pretending it is fact.
Please show me multiple reports that said they realistically considered franchising him. Please show me they could have gotten more last spring. In fact if they could have why wouldn’t that team have offered it yesterday? The proof those offers didn’t exist in the spring is that they still didn’t exist yesterday.

Garoppolo was the backup. If Brady was injured he would have started. They really liked him as the backup. They kept him to the last possible minute to insure against a Brady injury. When the last minute arrived they traded the backup.
If Brady had a career ending injury then jag would have been the successor. Brady was never being moved out of the way for jimmy.
If Jimmy’s contract lasted until Brady was done he would have been the successor. If jimmy took backup money to stay as the backup for however many more years Brady sticks around he could have been the successor.
Now they find another successor.

 

[Ring 6]

I also don't think we should underestimate the idea of having JG learning the system starting right now, and the ability to go into next season having the QB position under control (presuming they extend him soon, which I've read they are going to try to do).

Not every team can tank year after year like CLE and keep their fans coming to the park. Not every front office staff can keep their jobs with no talent on the team. SF has just made a big step forward, all for a 2nd rounder.

Assuming jimmy becomes a good qb.

 

[Deus Irae]

Who?

It's now being reported CLE never offered a 1st.

It's S.O.P. for those kinds of reports to pop up in situations like this. However, people can't pretend to be logically consistent if they were using Schefter as their reason for saying the Patriots weren't trading JAG in the offseason and now try to minimize reporting (Schefter was on board with the idea that there were first round picks offered for JAG).

 

[sportnik]

99% of rookies have no idea what their doing for a long while.

Jimmy is light years ahead of anyone coming out.

Something else I've been saying since this last draft is SF will have a nasty D very soon. Possibly the best in a year or 2. They have some legit studs on that team and the fans have no idea.

Jacksonville should have been all over Jimmy.

But unlike San Fran, Jax has no backup QB to include in the deal. This is just another dimension to the massive F up by Belichick. By not trading JG in the offseason and then trading Brissett to Indy, the Pats limited themselfs to a single trading partner!

BB did everything imaginable to minimize JG’s value. I seriously wonder if he’s showing signs of Alzheimer’s.

 

[Deus Irae]

Hoyer knows the system....and I would leave it at that....

Brian Hoyer had a winning record in both Houston and Cleveland.
Brian Hoyer was putting up good numbers on a garbage team in Chicago before he got hurt.


He may not be an elite QB, but he can play the position.

 

[Patjew]

I cannot believe that this thread devolved into petty arguments.

 

[FourierSeries]

But unlike San Fran, Jax has no backup QB to include in the deal. This is just another dimension to the massive F up by Belichick. By not trading JG in the offseason and then trading Brissett to Indy, the Pats limited themselfs to a single trading partner!

BB did everything imaginable to minimize JG’s value. I seriously wonder if he’s showing signs of Alzheimer’s.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

I cannot believe that this thread devolved into petty arguments.

The sarcasm is strong with this one.

Regards,
Chris

 

[Deus Irae]

Any way you look at this, BB F'd up and we'll be feeling the after effects for years. They either needed to trade JG last offseason & max out on his value or commit to doing whatever was necessary to ensure JG succeeded Brady (using the franchise tag etc).

Bedard is saying that if they tried shopping JG at the draft last year they may have got a 1st & 3rd for him. They could have potentially used these picks to trade up for Deshawn Watson and been set for a decade or more.

Instead, we're a year or two away from being the Jets! Enjoy it while it lasts Pats fans.

Your troll fu is weak, grasshopper.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I cannot believe that this thread devolved into petty arguments.

I can

 

[archstanton543]

I can

thatsthejoke.net

 

[Deus Irae]

JAG was being looked at as the QBOTF, and BB has made that pretty clear.
JAG preferred being the QBOTP on another team to continuing on as the QBOTF in New England.
TFB looks like he can be the QBOTP for years to come.
The Patriots were offered more for JAG in the offseason than they got yesterday, but they at least got a pick that should be a high second rounder.

With that, a trade makes sense. The only issue that anyone should be having is to question the wisdom of trading him in the offseason v. trading him now. Everything else is pretty cut and dry.