Post Game Thread Falcons @ Pats

[Hammer of Thor]

The emergence of new talent alongside established players bodes well headed into the second half of the regular season. We've had some disappointments (Gilmore, M. Brown), but we're also seeing guys like Bademosi and Wise step up. This could be a top 5 defense if the pass rush is adequate and the secondary continues to gel.

??? Brown had a bad game against KC, as did many players. Outside of that, he's been one of the better players on defense all season and has raised his game this year. Unfortunately it looks like he'll never be Wilfork, but you can win with him. I think you meant Alan Branch as the disappointment. Will be interesting to see his total snap counts and what the film looks like on him this week, if he was able to build upon his better performance in the Jets game.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Why is Ryan choking/choked last night? It suggests he should have done something against the Patriots that he has been otherwise doing consistently -- but didn't because of unforced personal errors.
As of week 7 ATL has lost to the Patriots, Bills and Phins. They scored 17 against the Bills and 17 against the Phins, and would have had 13 last night if the two FGs were converted. 3 straight performances all in the same general outcome vicinity.

As of right now the Falcons are what they are, a middling team that likely is a small step above the fray. They certainly have proved. so far(plenty of time for that to change), they are not close to the multifaceted powerhouse they were in 2016. And last night's story wasn't about choking whatsoever, it was about the better team as of week 7 (coaching down to ST players) earning a win.

Just havin a goof on Ryan's behalf but on a serious note since you got so deep into it I think loss of his OC Shannahan has alot to do with their offense or lack there of. Something is definitely up with Falcons and Pats had alot to with it from SB 51. Their confidence looks shaky and their timing has been off in recent games. They were avg 34 ppg last year and have like 40 in last 3 games.

And YES ALL credit goes to Pats Stepping Up Making Plays in all three phases and to Players filling in, coming back from injuries (You know who they are). Well deserved win.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Did suck to hear the confirmation of the rumor I had heard that Solder's son's cancer is back.
(At one point the sideline reporter mentioned the son is restarting chemo.)

 

[Joker]

Loss of Shanahan affected the MVP? well then, he is NOT the MVP...sorry. Another vet QB trying to suckerfish onto the Brady hate that exists in the upper echelons of the NFL BTW, Carson "Lefty" Palmer is finito. Maybe he can replace Dan Fouts?

 

[shmessy]

That's an 03, 04 pats win... Awesome, fog sucked.. GO PATS

Actually, the only thing that sucked was you - - - again, all this past week predicting a Patriots bloodletting with Bademosi and Jonathan Jones at CB against the incomparable Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Mohammad Sanu.

Really, maybe football isn't your thing, troll.

NE 54 - ATL 7 since your quotes in my sig.

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[TheBostonStraggler]

Johnson Bademosi - Wikipedia

A. J. Bouye - Wikipedia

Similar career arcs as special teamers. Curious how BB plays the CB group. Hopefully Butler Gilmore Bademosi.

No Rowe?
Practice is for guys to show they belong and deserve more playing time. I assume Rowe and Gilmore will be back to full practice very soon. But if Bademosi is another Malcolm Butler in the waiting, we'll start seeing him get more playing time as the season wears on. However, as of right now Butler, Rowe and Gilmore are our best 3 CBs. If Bademosi can be the injury relief, spell, the 4 CB dime guy, even start taking/earning playing time away from a guy above him on the DC? That's outstanding! but IMHO we aren't there yet.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

??? Brown had a bad game against KC, as did many players. Outside of that, he's been one of the better players on defense all season and has raised his game this year. Unfortunately it looks like he'll never be Wilfork, but you can win with him. I think you meant Alan Branch as the disappointment. Will be interesting to see his total snap counts and what the film looks like on him this week, if he was able to build upon his better performance in the Jets game.

Agreed. Branch has been worse than Brown. However, with the expectations around Brown -- as you pointed out -- there has been a sense he has never even approached Wilfork-like play.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Team: "This may be the shortest All-22 film review session!"

BB: "Oh? Allow me to introduce you to the 'Infra Red All-22' cameras installed this week."

Regards,
Chris

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Just havin a goof on Ryan's behalf but on a serious note since you got so deep into it I think loss of his OC Shannahan has alot to do with their offense or lack there of. Something is definitely up with Falcons and Pats had alot to with it from SB 51. Their confidence looks shaky and their timing has been off in recent games. They were avg 34 ppg last year and have like 40 in last 3 games.

And YES ALL credit goes to Pats Stepping Up Making Plays in all three phases and to Players filling in, coming back from injuries (You know who they are). Well deserved win.

My hot take on their losses is that the AFC East is a legit division this season. 5-2, 4-2, and 4-2 in the division. If this holds, we may get an 11-5 division winner with two 9-7 teams in the rearview.

 

[Deus Irae]

With how the Patriots played the Chiefs and Panthers, last years Falcons team would have hung 50-60 on us, easy. They were all-time great and this Patriots defense the first few weeks was all-time pathetic with pass coverage. Claiming otherwise is just homer-itis.

Claiming the Falcons were going to hang 50 was over the top, and I've got no problem with Sammy calling out people who were sure that a team that hadn't cracked 20 in the past 2 games was somehow guaranteed to crack 50 this week. I just think that calling people traitors over something like that, when you don't call out the homers who make similarly ridiculous claims, is a bad way to go. Sammy's a good cat poster. I just think he went a bit too far on that one.

 

[Deus Irae]

Did ATL really run a jet sweep on 4th and goal from the 18-inch line without anyone in the backfield to force the defense to honor the possibility of a run up the gut? WTF??? Not that I'm complaining!

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell they were thinking when they went for it on 4th down at the end of the first half.

 

[bormio]

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell they were thinking when they went for it on 4th down at the end of the first half.

The first 4th down attempt was legit (a 0-0 game) - the second was insane. Punt and go in down 10-0.

 

[NE-VT]

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell they were thinking when they went for it on 4th down at the end of the first half.

IMO they were playing scared of Brady. They thought we were going to put up 239045802 and wanted to keep up.

Fear can be a powerful think in sports. Not only in the way that the DB dove away from Gronk on the Cooks end around. Fear can change game-plans. My favorite thought example for the power of fear in sports is below:



(IK you like baseball Dues; I think you might like this video even if you dislike Barry for PEDs)

 

[supafly]

No Rowe?
Practice is for guys to show they belong and deserve more playing time. I assume Rowe and Gilmore will be back to full practice very soon. But if Bademosi is another Malcolm Butler in the waiting, we'll start seeing him get more playing time as the season wears on. However, as of right now Butler, Rowe and Gilmore are our best 3 CBs. If Bademosi can be the injury relief, spell, the 4 CB dime guy, even start taking/earning playing time away from a guy above him on the DC? That's outstanding! but IMHO we aren't there yet.

Reports from a couple of days ago state that Rowe was still limping quite noticeably, with ice wrapped on his groin. I'm not sure of the projected timetable for his return, but it sounds like he'll be one of the players that benefits greatly from the bye week.

In the meantime, if he can't go anytime soon and ends up being considered for IR, my biggest regret will be going into next year without truly knowing what we have in him. I know the narrative of "he had great coverage on that Julio Jones catch" is very popular and that there were some promising numbers in a small sample size at the end of last year, but I honestly can't tell if some of that was overhyped or not. I'd love to have a better idea as to whether he'll be a contributor next year, particularly with the prospect of Butler leaving looming over us.

 

[Deus Irae]

The first 4th down attempt was legit (a 0-0 game) - the second was insane. Punt and go in down 10-0.

I agree, especially when it would likely have pinned the Patriots deep, meaning FG is the more likely negative scenario there, and they'd have still been down just 2 TDs while getting the ball to start the second half.

IMO they were playing scared of Brady. They thought we were going to put up 239045802 and wanted to keep up.

Fear can be a powerful think in sports. Not only in the way that the DB dove away from Gronk on the Cooks end around. Fear can change game-plans. My favorite thought example for the power of fear in sports is below..


(IK you like baseball Dues; I think you might like this video even if you dislike Barry for PEDs)

I get that fear can have a big impact in sports. But see my answer to Bormio.

Give Tom Brady 50 yards and just under 2 minutes

v.

Give Tom Brady 80+ yards and just under 2 minutes

At the end of the game, I can see the gamble going for it. At the half, with your offense sputtering and in need of a regroup? Quinn basically committed gameplay suicide right there.

 

[Deus Irae]

Was the defense not as bad as it seemed in Weeks 1-4?

Duron Harmon: “No, it was bad.”

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Reports from a couple of days ago state that Rowe was still limping quite noticeably, with ice wrapped on his groin. I'm not sure of the projected timetable for his return, but it sounds like he'll be one of the players that benefits greatly from the bye week.

In the meantime, if he can't go anytime soon and ends up being considered for IR, my biggest regret will be going into next year without truly knowing what we have in him. I know the narrative of "he had great coverage on that Julio Jones catch" is very popular and that there were some promising numbers in a small sample size at the end of last year, but I honestly can't tell if some of that was overhyped or not. I'd love to have a better idea as to whether he'll be a contributor next year, particularly with the prospect of Butler leaving looming over us.

Well put Sup. I was pretty optimistic on our secondary with Butler and Gillmore with Rowe being not only a solid nickle/dime guy but a specialist for certain receivers.

I hadn't heard he was still far away from being practice ready. That's too bad. But I'll take the optimistic view: with Rowe unable to practice it gives unknowns like Bademosi a better chance to show what they can do. Butler came from out of no where by getting these kinds of opps to prove he belonged on the field. Hopefully we have captured lighting in a bottle again with Bademosi or any of other CBs who make their living largely on STs.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell they were thinking when they went for it on 4th down at the end of the first half.

1.Arrogance because of overconfidence in their own ability and/or the Patriots bad 2017 numbers against the pass?
2.Desperation, they sensed the game was going sideways on them and felt they had to gamble to change the trajectory of the game before the first half ended?
3.In game drug and/or alcohol abuse?

That ATL would risk giving the Patriots a short field with <2 minutes to allow a Patriot score to end the first half? Especially given ATL gets the ball to start the second half??
I thought the decision was at best needlessly risky, at worst an inexplicable blunder that can start the snowball effect ending in a coach eventually losing his job.

 

[supafly]

Well put Sup. I was pretty optimistic on our secondary with Butler and Gillmore with Rowe being not only a solid nickle/dime guy but a specialist for certain receivers.

I hadn't heard he was still far away from being practice ready. That's too bad. But I'll take the optimistic view: with Rowe unable to practice it gives unknowns like Bademosi a better chance to show what they can do. Butler came from out of no where by getting these kinds of opps to prove he belonged on the field. Hopefully we have captured lighting in a bottle again with Bademosi or any of other CBs who make their living largely on STs.

I'm not sure that it's written in stone about him not being ready for a little while, but it was certainly implied from whatever beat writer gave the update on Thursday or Friday. I'm guessing they're still hoping for the best and may reassess the situation after the bye and/or when it's time to add a player or two from the IR list to return, like McClellin.

Like you said, it's great to see the emergence of a guy like Bademosi because it sure looked like a big void a week ago. Now, if worst comes to worst and he has to go to IR, we can take comfort in knowing that the secondary won't be scrambling.

 

[SalemPats]

I thought gronk was fantastic tonight even though stats wise it was an ok game for him.

Burkhead played 13 snaps but looked good