Patriots will win Sunday

[supafly]

Good lord. All you have to do is go back and look at the back to back road game trips prior to 2014 (hence your convenient 3 year sample) and you'll see that there was a long stretch where they didn't win both pretty regularly. It was about half the time. We discussed it frequently on the forum.

Now you're just outright lying.

 

[Kdo5]

I also have doubts in the mental toughness of the Falcons. They suffered the worst choke job possible in the Super Bowl. They have to be traumatized. If the game is close they will pee down their legs.

 

[Ring 6]

Look AJ, first of of all I’ve never seen a Patsfans member post a thread “The Pats are going to lose Sunday”

And I know that you didn’t post this thread to bait any members to disagree with you

So I’m wondering what the purpose of the thread is.

If I were doing it to bait people to disagree with I would assume that I would then engage those people. I have not done that. I engaged dues irae because he says there was no basis for my opinion so I clarified the basis I have. I engaged supafly about a different direction he took the discussion in.
I did not engage many people including the usual suspects who chose to disagree.
I posted that I am confident and explained generically why because there seems to be a negativity and doom and gloom.
People can take that for whatever they want to.

 

[Ring 6]

I also have doubts in the mental toughness of the Falcons. They suffered the worst choke job possible in the Super Bowl. They have to be traumatized. If the game is close they will pee down their legs.

They had an epic choke last week as well. They blew a 17 point lead by allowing 20 2nd half points on 4 consecutive scoring drives to a team that had just scored 22 total points in 3 1/2 games.

 

[supafly]

Their track record shows absolutely zero effect of going on the road twice in a row hurting them.

Starting back at your convenient 3 year sample, you see that they lost at least one of the back to back road games in '13 (actually, they lost twice in back to back occurrences that year), '12, '11, '10, '09, and '08. There was a long stretch of 7 years where they didn't even win half the time in those instances.

So, basically you'd have to go all the way back to 2007 where they didn't lose at least once on those occasions. It happened in every single year prior to 2014, which is precisely why you decided to come up with 2014 to start with. The above quoted statement from you couldn't be more false.

 

[Ring 6]

Good lord. All you have to do is go back and look at the back to back road game trips prior to 2014 (hence your convenient 3 year sample) and you'll see that there was a long stretch where they didn't win both pretty regularly. It was about half the time. We discussed it frequently on the forum.

Now you're just outright lying.

I gave you the EXACT record of the second game if back to back road games.
Look it up if you don't believe me.

 

[supafly]

I gave you the EXACT record of the second game if back to back road games.
Look it up if you don't believe me.

Classic moving of the goalposts, as usual.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Ring 6]

Starting back at your convenient 3 year sample, you see that they lost at least one of the back to back road games in '13 (actually, they lost twice in back to back occurrences that year), '12, '11, '10, '09, and '08. There was a long stretch of 7 years where they didn't even win half the time in those instances.

So, basically you'd have to go all the way back to 2007 where they didn't lose at least once on those occasions. It happened in every single year prior to 2014, which is precisely why you decided to come up with 2014 to start with. The above quoted statement from you couldn't be more false.

Why would you look at the first if back to back games to determine the effect of back to back? The first game has none of the elements that would cause back to back road games to be an issue.
I didn't even look at the front half. Why would I.

 

[supafly]

Classic moving of the goalposts, as usual.

We're discussing the challenges of going on the road in consecutive weeks, which prior to your three year sample, the team only won both games about half the time, going all the way back to 2007.

If you don't find that relevant when examining the potential for a challenging 5/6 game road trip, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Ring 6]

Classic moving of the goalposts, as usual.

Looking at the first game to determine the effect of a second road trip is moving the goalposts.
Please explain how jet lag and all the factors you claim make back to back road games a problem would affect the first one.

 

[Ring 6]

We're discussing the challenges of going on the road in consecutive weeks, which prior to your three year sample, the team only won both games about half the time, going all the way back to 2007.

If you don't find that relevant when examining the potential for a challenging 5/6 game road trip, I don't know what to tell you.

The first one is a road game.
The second one is a back to back effect.

 

[supafly]

Looking at the first game to determine the effect of a second road trip is moving the goalposts.
Please explain how jet lag and all the factors you claim make back to back road games a problem would affect the first one.

The discussion was about the challenges of a 5/6 game road trip and the fact that the team has struggled even winning TWICE in back to back instances, let alone a daunting stretch like 5/6.

You already know this. It's why you chose the 2014 mark as your sample.

 

[supafly]

But, surprise--they'll likely be favored again, so we have that important piece of information to hang our hats on.

 

[Ring 6]

The discussion was about the challenges of a 5/6 game road trip and the fact that the team has struggled even winning TWICE in back to back instances, let alone a daunting stretch like 5/6.

Please explain how the factors that affect back to back game performance would be present in the first one?
In 2003 they opened with bsck to back road games. How would the first game have an application to seeing how they deal with being in the road a second consecutive week?
It makes no sense whatsoever.

You already know this. It's why you chose the 2014 mark as your sample.

I went back to 2014 because it seemed to obviously make the point and then I went back to 2001 to back it up.

 

[Ring 6]

But, surprise--they'll likely be favored again, so we have that important piece of information to hang our hats on.

Why are you being a ****?

 

[Ring 6]

The discussion was about the challenges of a 5/6 game road trip and the fact that the team has struggled even winning TWICE in back to back instances, let alone a daunting stretch like 5/6.

You already know this. It's why you chose the 2014 mark as your sample.

Even counting the first game which would be a totally stupid way to inspect how they respond to having to be on the road 2 weeks in a row they are 41-20 under Brady.

 

[Ring 6]

Starting back at your convenient 3 year sample, you see that they lost at least one of the back to back road games in '13 (actually, they lost twice in back to back occurrences that year), '12, '11, '10, '09, and '08. There was a long stretch of 7 years where they didn't even win half the time in those instances.

So, basically you'd have to go all the way back to 2007 where they didn't lose at least once on those occasions. It happened in every single year prior to 2014, which is precisely why you decided to come up with 2014 to start with. The above quoted statement from you couldn't be more false.

So taking the 41-20 o stall record on these games and applying my post below we see that they are 18-13 in the first game (.581 ) of a back to back then with the odds stacked against them in your opinion they go 23-7 (.767) in the second. (The numbers don't add because of a 3 game run where the middle game is both 1st and 2nd of 2)

Do unless you can explain to me how the issues you see with back to back road games could affect the first one they are BETTER OFF based upon history to have then back to back that to have a home game prior to the road game.

Under Brady
Road following road 23-7 (.767)
Road following home or road opener 62-30 (.674)

Whatever the reason is this team does better on the road when they were in the road the week before and there is a 17 year history that says so.

If you want to stick to thinking it's harder to win those games because you think it would be that's fine but facts are facts.

To add to this. With Brady at QB the patriots are 23-7 (.767) in a road game following a road game. (Also 21-4 (.840) since 2003)

Under Brady they are (reg season)
187-54 (.776) overall and 102-19 (.843) and 85-37 (.697) in all road games.

So with a 17 year history they play better in the second of back to back road games than all road games and in the last 15 they win basically as much as they do in home games when playing the second if back to back road games.

 

[Ring 6]

Starting back at your convenient 3 year sample, you see that they lost at least one of the back to back road games in '13 (actually, they lost twice in back to back occurrences that year), '12, '11, '10, '09, and '08. There was a long stretch of 7 years where they didn't even win half the time in those instances.

So, basically you'd have to go all the way back to 2007 where they didn't lose at least once on those occasions. It happened in every single year prior to 2014, which is precisely why you decided to come up with 2014 to start with. The above quoted statement from you couldn't be more false.

Your argument is if they have 2 back to back road trips and only win both half the time and go 3-1 it's a sign they struggle?
Good teams often struggle to be .500 on the road. You are saying sweeping only half the time is bad?

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

I don't know what to make of this year's Falcon's team.

They blew a 17 point halftime lead . . . at home . . . against Jay Cutler . . . after they just came off a bye week.

That's pretty extraordinary.