Brady / Rodgers

[JarOfMayo51]

I don't know exactly what it is but this analysis is in some way too simplistic. I do think Brady is the GOAT.

However, Rodgers has a over 4 to 1 TD/INT ration... and his career rating is like 104. It is entirely possible that he is so good, that his improvisation actually ends up in a better result (for him anyway) than an instant good read. (and obviously based on TD/INT ration and QB rating it is consistently excellent.)

That said, winning is the only thing that matters (Super Bowls, but also just games in general) Tom Brady is the winning-est QB of all time without debate.

As Rodgers continues to age into his mid to late 30s, his ability to scramble all over the field the way he does will slowly diminish, and that is his entire game

Brady's game is all mental and just needs to keep his body intact and avoid major injury to his shoulder and he can keep playing his elite style into his 40s

Rodgers will most likely "fall off a cliff" due to his style

 

[Nehalem]

Through his age 33 season

Favre was 115-58 (.665% winrate), 2-1 NFCCG, 1-1 in Super Bowl
Rodgers 90-45 (.667% winrate), 1 -2 NFCCG, 1-0 Super Bowl

Arguably Rodgers isn't even better than Favre. Comparing him to Brady is just plain silly.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Rodgers is

1) The best sandlot QB of all time. Nobody is better at extending plays and throwing absolute crazy passes 6-8 seconds after the ball is snapped (although Wilson is up there).

2) The best QB talent of all time. When you factor in his arm strength, accuracy, & mobility only really Elway or Favre would match up.

When it comes to reading coverages pre-snap, reading coverages post snap, & pocket presence, he isn't Brady...or Manning...or Brees (for modern day comps). That doesn't even factor in his chickensh*t style of play when down big.

He would not run our offense as effective as Tom. I'd take prime Manning or Brees to run it instead of Rodgers.

Aaron Rodgers Career Game Log vs. Seahawks | Pro-Football-Reference.com

There's a reason the healthy legion of boom owns Rodgers & not Brady. It's style of play.

 

[mosslost]

How to be misled by stats.
A major reason why his stats are that good is intertwined with his notable lack of 4th QTR comebacks.
He is so pick averse that he allows games to be lost rather than stepping up and taking intelligent chances on throws that enable game winning drives. Those #s are meaningless when you look at his systematic lack of comebacks.

That is interesting.

For me Brady is the GOAT. However, I do think it is more appropriate to discuss the GOAT TEAM/ORG.. I think that the Pats TEAM of the Brady and Belichick era is the GOAT TEAM and continues to be so. I read through that Rodgers GOAT thread and there were stats worth considering. One thing, though many on our board have blamed our D for certain losses over the years, the Patriots have one if the most consistently high ranked Defenses over that period. Every time Brady has won the Super Bowl they have had a top 10 defense. The one time Rodgers (according their threads) has had a top 10 D they won the SB. Brady's teams have been top 10 Ds like 10 times, and only once has Brady had a D ranked as low as 17.. Apparently the Packers have been that low several times more than a couple during recent years.

The Pats have just awesome, overall.

 

[mosslost]

As Rodgers continues to age into his mid to late 30s, his ability to scramble all over the field the way he does will slowly diminish, and that is his entire game

Brady's game is all mental and just needs to keep his body intact and avoid major injury to his shoulder and he can keep playing his elite style into his 40s

Rodgers will most likely "fall off a cliff" due to his style

another thing, if you compare Brady's stats ONLY in the years since Rodgers has been starting, they are much more equal statistically. (TD ratio, QB rating)

Brady started his career before Peyton rules kicked in.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Also, the 2014 NFC Championship is one of the worst performances for a big time QB in NFL history. Surprised it isn't talked about more. Imagine Brady being handed 5 turnovers in a game & putting just 22 points on the board.

 

[deters]

Rogers is the most talented and gifted QB in the league, but Brady is the best QB in the league. Two very different things.

 

[Nehalem]

2) The best QB talent of all time. When you factor in his arm strength, accuracy, & mobility only really Elway or Favre would match up.

When it comes to reading coverages pre-snap, reading coverages post snap, & pocket presence, he isn't Brady...or Manning...or Brees (for modern day comps). That doesn't even factor in his chickensh*t style of play when down big.

Except, as your next paragraph makes clear, that is only true if you exclude the mental part of QBing. That part tends to be rather important.

Its like saying that Slater is a great WR talent, excepting his inability to catch the ball.

 

[patsfan13]

I don't know exactly what it is but this analysis is in some way too simplistic. I do think Brady is the GOAT.

However, Rodgers has a over 4 to 1 TD/INT ration... and his career rating is like 104. It is entirely possible that he is so good, that his improvisation actually ends up in a better result (for him anyway) than an instant good read. (and obviously based on TD/INT ration and QB rating it is consistently excellent.)

That said, winning is the only thing that matters (Super Bowls, but also just games in general) Tom Brady is the winning-est QB of all time without debate.

I think that QBR and TD/INT is too simplistic. Brady 'hurts' his stats by throwing the ball away in lieu of taking a sack and saving the team yards. He will also take more calculated risks when behind.

Since 2010 Rogers has a sack % of 6.6% as opposed to Brady at 4.6%, even with Rodgers being a better runner.

Since 2010 Rodgers has a INT % of 1.5%, Brady 1.3%

Team scoring Since 2010 the Packers have averaged 27.6 ppg, The Patriots 30.5 ppg.

So Brady takes fewer sacks, throws fewer int's and his team scores 3 ppg more than Rodger team.

I avoided looking at the post season, Brady of course has a much higher winning % in the regular season and way better in the post season.

As others have pointed out Brady is much better when his team is trailing. The response of Brady and Rogers when playing the Falcons last year in many encapsulates the differences between the 2 over their careers.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Agreed. Most talented passer is probably a better label.

I think that QBR and TD/INT is too simplistic. Brady 'hurts' his stats by throwing the ball away in lieu of taking a sack and saving the team yards. He will also take more calculated risks when behind.

Since 2010 Rogers has a sack % of 6.6% as opposed to Brady at 4.6%, even with Rodgers being a better runner.

Since 2010 Rodgers has a INT % of 1.5%, Brady 1.3%

Team scoring Since 2010 the Packers have averaged 27.6 ppg, The Patriots 30.5 ppg.

So Brady takes fewer sacks, throws fewer int's and his team scores 3 ppg more than Rodger team.

I avoided looking at the post season, Brady of course has a much higher winning % in the regular season and way better in the post season.

As others have pointed out Brady is much better when his team is trailing. The response of Brady and Rogers when playing the Falcons last year in many encapsulates the differences between the 2 over their careers.

Love these stats, thanks.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I think that QBR and TD/INT is too simplistic. Brady 'hurts' his stats by throwing the ball away in lieu of taking a sack and saving the team yards. He will also take more calculated risks when behind.

Since 2010 Rogers has a sack % of 6.6% as opposed to Brady at 4.6%, even with Rodgers being a better runner.

Since 2010 Rodgers has a INT % of 1.5%, Brady 1.3%

Team scoring Since 2010 the Packers have averaged 27.6 ppg, The Patriots 30.5 ppg.

So Brady takes fewer sacks, throws fewer int's and his team scores 3 ppg more than Rodger team.

I avoided looking at the post season, Brady of course has a much higher winning % in the regular season and way better in the post season.

As others have pointed out Brady is much better when his team is trailing. The response of Brady and Rogers when playing the Falcons last year in many encapsulates the differences between the 2 over their careers.

It's always the mobile QBs with the moronic fan bases who say "If Brady had so-and-so's offensive line, he would have gone 1-15." Sure...has nothing to do with snap to throw time and making quick pre-snap reads.

 

[jah]

Huh. Are you saying Rogers is a System of a Down(er)? Or just a System QB?

I'm not sure I get how the reference applies here but great band.

 

[Tony2046]

There isn't a defense ever assembled that could stop Brady if you gave him a clean pocket for 5 Mississippis.

I'm not talking about those fast count Missips or Missipi. Nope. I'm talking about the legal version in which each syllable is clearly enunciated.

One Mis sis sip pi, Two Mis sis sip pi etc....

 

[Deus Irae]

2) The best QB talent of all time. When you factor in his arm strength, accuracy, & mobility only really Elway or Favre would match up.

Randall Cunningham
Michael Vick
Steve Young

All are/were better QB talents than Aaron Rodgers. I'm sure I could name others, but that's an easy three.

 

[ivanvamp]

Randall Cunningham
Michael Vick
Steve Young

All are/were better QB talents than Aaron Rodgers. I'm sure I could name others, but that's an easy three.

Neither Cunningham nor Vick were remotely as accurate throwing the ball as Rodgers is. Better athletes maybe. Stronger arms maybe. But not as accurate, and accuracy is probably the #1 talent needed for a successful NFL QB.

Times were different, but consider these passer rating numbers (and relative to their era):

Name (years): Career Passer rating - NFL passer rating over that time frame
Cunningham (1985-2001): 81.5 - 74.3 (+7.2)
Vick (2001-2015): 80.4 - 81.4 (-1.0)
Rodgers (2005-2017): 104.1 - 83.0 (+21.1)

Rodgers' passer rating dwarfs Cunningham's and Vick's, but of course this is a different era. But even when you compare these three guys RELATIVE TO THEIR ERA (i.e., taking into account the context in which they played), Rodgers' passing numbers absolutely crush Cunningham and Vick.

Young would be a different matter. Dude was a SICK thrower of the football. But there's no way Cunningham and Vick were more talented quarterbacks than Rodgers is. Again, maybe stronger arms, better athletes, but that's not what QB is all about.

 

[Deus Irae]

Neither Cunningham nor Vick were remotely as accurate throwing the ball as Rodgers is. Better athletes maybe. Stronger arms maybe. But not as accurate, and accuracy is probably the #1 talent needed for a successful NFL QB.

No

If you're going to get rid of the mental, that leaves the physical. The person who made the claim combined the QB talents. He didn't go breaking them down via formula.

When you factor in his arm strength, accuracy, & mobility only really Elway or Favre would match up.

Vick
Cunningham
Young

All better QB talents than Rodgers.

 

[TommyD4207]

No

If you're going to get rid of the mental, that leaves the physical. The person who made the claim combined the QB talents. He didn't go breaking them down via formula.




Vick
Cunningham
Young

All better QB talents than Rodgers.

Put Vince Young on that list.

He's also the highest efficiency rating in the history of college football, so there are numbers as well.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Jeff George. Forget wins, losses, and career or lack thereof. That guy was talented!

 

[Alternator]

(Best Mr. Rogers voice)

You know what makes this post special? There will never be another post like this one. Just like there will never be another poster like you. Sometimes on here we see people troll or just get mad. But I look to the helpers. The people making this website a better place. I see this post and it reminds me how many helpers are out there.

My avatar approves.

 

[farn]

Physical talent is important. But mental toughness & excellent decision making are crucial.

Furthermore, I think Brady gets waaaaaay too much grief on his "lack of physical ability". Brady is an excellent athlete. The Expos drafted him & there are some that believe he would have been a very good ball player (despite the fact that he was drafted late). He was an excellent QB at Michigan. Much better than he's often given credit for. His W-L in a huge, successful program was outstanding.

Aaron R is an excellent QB. But he is not Brady. Nor will he ever be.