Amendola vs Hawkins for the final WR spot.

[Huckleberry1]

Imagine what Russ Francis would have done playing with Brady.

How many pro bowls did Faulk & Amendola make?

Lmao, what a spunky little fellow. You keep getting your ass kicked yet keep begging for more.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If that doesn't make sense to you.. you are really short sited. I know your love for Brady is 2nd to none, but you have to be realistic. Look at all the facts before you go blabbering about boners.

When are you going to post the fact based argument that Brady is in decline, we have been waiting a really long time for it?

If you can't make it then simply say "Kellerman's Cliff" to concede defeat.

 

[TommyD4207]

He was an excellent 3rd down back, & if he was not suspended for the first game of 2008, I believe we would not have lost Brady for the season.

He was just not an everydown back, And should never have been elected to the Patriots HOF before Russ Francis.

The people who voted for Faulk would probably vote Avery Bradley over Bill Russell as best Celtic defensive player all time.

Russ Francis' best seasons were in San Francisco.

 

[TommyD4207]

Faulk carried the ball an average of 5 times a game over his career.

You're not including punt and kick returns, of course.

For what it's worth, Russ Francis touched the ball about twice a game over the course of his career.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Lmao, what a spunky little fellow. You keep getting your ass kicked yet keep begging for more.

Anyone who thinks Kevin "5 carries per game Faulk" is a better player than 3 time pro bowler Russ "All World" Francis is naive.

If a 22 year old Russ Francis & a 22 year old Kevin Faulk were available in next years draft, Francis would be a mid 1st round pick, while Faulk would be lucky to be a late day 2 Pick.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Russ Francis' best seasons were in San Francisco.

Yeah.... That is when he played with a great QB, but he was all pro 3 years in a row with the Patriots.

Imagine what he would do in this era playing with Brady.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Anyone who thinks Kevin "5 carries per game Faulk" is a better player than 3 time pro bowler Russ "All World" Francis is naive.

If a 22 year old Russ Francis & a 22 year old Kevin Faulk were available in next years draft, Francis would be a mid 1st round pick, while Faulk would be lucky to be a late day 2 Pick.

And Bob Cousy would go first in the NBA draft.........and Tommy Heinsohn would shut Lebron James down.....


Sorry, I really don't want to distract you from KEEPIN' THOSE DAMN KIDS OFF YOUR LAWN.....

 

[Huckleberry1]

Anyone who thinks Kevin "5 carries per game Faulk" is a better player than 3 time pro bowler Russ "All World" Francis is naive.

If a 22 year old Russ Francis & a 22 year old Kevin Faulk were available in next years draft, Francis would be a mid 1st round pick, while Faulk would be lucky to be a late day 2 Pick.

Kevin "5 carries a game " Faulk was far more productive for the Patriots than Francis ever was, and posters here demonstrated that well beyond a doubt. I'm sorry you missed everything after Belichick arrived, you should have recorded it in your radio so you could have listened to the greatest era of Patriots football.

Oh, and as a gesture of my good intentions you can now buy a television for next to nothing, and they aren't all black and white anymore. Check it out, it will really inform you.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Curtis Martins talent level was unreal 95-97

 

[cupofjoe1962]

I'm confused about the Francis v. Faulk debate. Francis was a better player than Faulk. Faulk did more for the Patriots, at least partly because of Francis heading off to San Francisco, at least partly because of the era Francis played in, and at least partly because, ironically, while Francis was hampered in any attempt to put up numbers by being on a run oriented version of the Patriots, the RB (Faulk) was fortunate enough to be on a version of the team that loved to use the short pass as a run substitute.

So, what's the issue?

I believe other players deserve to be in the Patriots HOF before Faulk who never ran for more than 638 yards in a season. The season he got 638 yards he only averaged 3.6 ypc.

Faulk was a great roll player, but he failed as a 3 down back, but he learned to control his early career fumble problem & became a great 3rd down back. Let's remember a 3rd down back is a role player.

I can't believe the number of snowflakes in this Forum who think Faulk was the better player.

Faulk also should never have gotten into the HOF before Seymore, Vrable, & Rodney Harrison.

Now I am not sure if Seymore & Vrable were eligible for the HOF the year that Faulk got in, but Francis & Harrison were eligible.

Harrison may have only played here a few years, but he was the heart of our defense.

Dennis Johnson only played a few years for the Celtics, but they felt his contribution in that time was worth retiring his number.

Francis played in a running era, when the Patriots had a great offensive line that was helped by Francis's all around skills.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Kevin "5 carries a game " Faulk was far more productive for the Patriots than Francis ever was, and posters here demonstrated that well beyond a doubt. I'm sorry you missed everything after Belichick arrived, you should have recorded it in your radio so you could have listened to the greatest era of Patriots football.

Oh, and as a gesture of my good intentions you can now buy a television for next to nothing, and they aren't all black and white anymore. Check it out, it will really inform you.

I have had season tickets since 1979 & I have been attending games since 1972.

Unlike the most of you snowflakes, I have an objective view of my team & I leave the Koolaid for the snowflakes.

I was with the Patriots during all there Super Bowl seasons & I was also with them for Ron Earhardts 2-14 season, Rod Rusts & **** McPhearsond 1-15 seasons.

I just don't drink the Koolaid.
I just don't believe Amendola & Faulk were anything more than roll players.

No opponent ever game planned their defense around shutting down Faulk or Amendola.

I think we have covered this subject enough.... I will give you the last word & I look forward to debating you in the future...

 

[Huckleberry1]

I have had season tickets since 1979 & I have been attending games since 1972.

Unlike the most of you snowflakes, I have an objective view of my team & I leave the Koolaid for the snowflakes.

I was with the Patriots during all there Super Bowl seasons & I was also with them for Ron Earhardts 2-14 season, Rod Rusts & **** McPhearsond 1-15 seasons.

I just don't drink the Koolaid.
I just don't believe Amendola & Faulk were anything more than roll players.

No opponent ever game planned their defense around shutting down Faulk or Amendola.

I think we have covered this subject enough.... I will give you the last word & I look forward to debating you in the future...

Sorry cupcake but length of service doesn't matter when you don't know what you are talking about. Kevin Faulk clearly deserved to be in the PHOF for his contributions to their Championships, and Amendola has been a critical part of their last two, which is why Brady repeatedly goes to him when they have to make the play or the season is over, and I'll take Brady's judgement over yours every time.

By your standards almost every Patriot is a JAG because Belichick has built his teams on role players, not "pro bowlers," which is literally a meaningless designation these days. You can invoke your years of sitting in the stands all you want but that too is meaningless when you clearly can't recognize the importance of the many role players who have contributed significantly to their Dynasties. Maybe you should start watching them on TV so you could gain some understanding on how important the role players are to Belichick's teams, it is in fact the primary reason they are the most successful game plan team in the league, and it's the reason they are so hard to deal with, because one week Edelman kills you, the next it's Hogan, and the next it's James White. All are critical to their success and none deserve the disrespect you heap on them.

Patriot fans like all fans have their share of flaws but their selections to the Patriots HOF isn't one of them, and the reasons that a number of the more deserving old time players aren't in is the dynasty era and the limit of one per year. Everyone they have voted in deserved it, and they demonstrated that again this year when they came back to Clayborn after he lost out to Faulk last year.

 

[deroc5050]

When are you going to post the fact based argument that Brady is in decline, we have been waiting a really long time for it?

If you can't make it then simply say "Kellerman's Cliff" to concede defeat.

I think Brady has 2 or 3 Brady like seasons left. After that who knows. I am not saying Brady is going to fall off a cliff this season like Max was saying last year.

Predicting that a QB will be playing at a high level at the age of 42 years old is no insult.. in fact its never really been done before.

Concede defeat? Talk to me in 3 years bro..

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Faulk was a great roll player, but he failed as a 3 down back, but he learned to control his early career fumble problem & became a great 3rd down back. Let's remember a 3rd down back is a role player.

A pretty big role player in the Pats offense.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

A pretty big role player in the Pats offense.

Dion Lewis who was cut from multiple teams did a good job.

When Lewis got hurt, White was the next man up.

White was drafted in the 4th round.
They didn't have much of a problem filling those big shoes.

Faulk never had a playoff game as good as Whites super bowl performance.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think Brady has 2 or 3 Brady like seasons left. After that who knows. I am not saying Brady is going to fall off a cliff this season like Max was saying last year.

Predicting that a QB will be playing at a high level at the age of 42 years old is no insult.. in fact its never really been done before.

Concede defeat? Talk to me in 3 years bro..

I'll talk to you right now because you have been one the people advocating for moving on from Brady and keeping Garrapolo, and it makes absolutely no sense to do that if you believe Brady is going to continue to be the best player in the league for another three years.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah.... That is when he played with a great QB, but he was all pro 3 years in a row with the Patriots.

Imagine what he would do in this era playing with Brady.

Actually he was 3 time pro bowl not all pro.
And on one of those seasons he caught 16 passes and clearly didn't deserve the honor.

As far as the stat end of it in his first run with the Pats Francis averaged less than 33 catches for 499 yards and < 5 TDs a season
The fact that many of us who were there viewed him as having more potential than what he produced is irrelevant to what he produced.

But ultimately it's not about who you would predict to have a better career, but who actually had a better career and to me that's Faulk.
Just my opinion but I have always dealt in actual real results rather than coulda, shoulda, woulda.

 

[AzPatsFan]

What I have is immense respect for Brady for everything he has accomplished for this franchise. I also believe in him and feel that he has earned that belief from Patriot fans, and I think it's disgusting to see so many turn on him for the shiney new object that couldn't make it through two games when he was needed for four. And the truth of the matter is that the same people wanted to run him out of town in 2014 and they used the same idiotic arguments then that they are using now. So go ahead and try to make a fact based argument that demonstrates Brady's decline, or shut the hell up about it until you can.

 

[AzPatsFan]

What were Brady's stats through 2 and 2/3 quarters of the Superbowl, 15 of 32 for 189 yards and a Pick Six and 4 or 5 sacks. Hardly great stats.

The remaining 1 and 1/3 quarters and OT were something else indeed, and vintage Brady. But it still required the Defense to play a tremendous game, while Brady looked aged, for the majority of the game.

 

[Deus Irae]

I believe other players deserve to be in the Patriots HOF before Faulk who never ran for more than 638 yards in a season. The season he got 638 yards he only averaged 3.6 ypc.

Faulk was a great roll player, but he failed as a 3 down back, but he learned to control his early career fumble problem & became a great 3rd down back. Let's remember a 3rd down back is a role player.

I can't believe the number of snowflakes in this Forum who think Faulk was the better player.

Faulk also should never have gotten into the HOF before Seymore, Vrable, & Rodney Harrison.

Now I am not sure if Seymore & Vrable were eligible for the HOF the year that Faulk got in, but Francis & Harrison were eligible.

Harrison may have only played here a few years, but he was the heart of our defense.

Dennis Johnson only played a few years for the Celtics, but they felt his contribution in that time was worth retiring his number.

Francis played in a running era, when the Patriots had a great offensive line that was helped by Francis's all around skills.

Faulk's an emotion pick rather than a thought pick, no question.