Buzz on the rest of Pats FAs

[resdubwhite]

So does that make the Butler market 11 plus. I'm hoping he's a lifelong Patriot.

 

[Ring 6]

Man I hope!!! My #1 priority is to lock up Butler long term... love the kid. If they do, I'll get a Butler jersey.

Hopefully by us.
He is an RFA so if he doesn't get extended soon we may be faced with matching someone else's offer that could be crazy.
Hopefully the pick will dissuade that but if people who think a team will give up the first pick in the draft for garoppolo it would seem likely someone will consider that for butler, especially a team picking late in the first.

 

[TomPatriot]

This might be nice way of saying goodbye.

 

[Pats1989]

Blount would be a huge loss. Lock the beast up.

 

[jah]

I thought Ryan was more likely to return than a lot of others here believed. At 10M annually? Nope.

 

[TomPatriot]

I predict Butler comes back (either with a long term deal or an RFA year) and Ryan gets paid by another team.

 

[zimmy]

I would pay Ryan $9m a year personally, depending on the guarantees.

Butler is going to expect $14m a year in any new deal. If we tack on the $4m he would earn this year I hope he would accept a 5 year $60m deal.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Now the raiders are recruiting hightower. I would give ryan 7.5 mil per. He will get overpaid and it will be a mistake. He still gives up big plays.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Now the raiders are recruiting hightower. I would give ryan 7.5 mil per. He will get overpaid and it will be a mistake. He still gives up big plays.

There's a difference between the Raiders versus a Raiders player. We know Bruce Irvin is "recruiting", but that doesn't necessarily mean that he knows the Raiders plans and if Hightower is in them. Maybe, maybe not.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

There's a difference between the Raiders versus a Raiders player. We know Bruce Irvin is "recruiting", but that doesn't necessarily mean that he knows the Raiders plans and if Hightower is in them. Maybe, maybe not.

They have the money but they might have to overpay.

 

[supafly]

That's at the high end of workable.

Not really, especially with McCourty and Butler. Belichick isn't going to suddenly dedicate 30m+ dollars a year to three guys in the secondary.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Not really, especially with McCourty and Butler. Belichick isn't going to suddenly dedicate 30m+ dollars a year to three guys in the secondary.

Yeah Ryan is gone. But helped us so much this year. One of the best tackling CBs out there

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Why would butler take a contract that is lowr than Ryan's? Why would anyone offer Ryan more than bitter?

If you sign Ryan, you are only out cash. If you sign Butler, you're out both cash and a first-round pick (assuming NE puts the first round tender on him). Losing the 1st rounder makes Butler more "expensive" so you'll likely offer less cash to him to offset that than you would if he was a true unrestricted free agent.

Put another way, the net value you receive for Ryan is Value(Ryan). The net value you receive for Butler is Value(Butler) - Value(your 1st round pick) which is less than just Value(Butler). So you're going to pay less for Value(Butler) - Value(pick) than you would pay for Value(Butler).

 

[mcmurtry86]

Blount would be a huge loss. Lock the beast up.

Huge loss? He was 25th in the league in yards per rush and was almost totally useless in the playoffs.

His overall yards and TD's were up because he was force fed the ball at times. It's hard to imagine they couldn't get similar production from a dozen or more other guys.

Yeah, he has the occasional dominant game against bad run D and he has some good highlight reel runs. But he's not an effective short yardage runner and if his OL isn't consistently getting him to the second level, he's pretty useless.

Anyone who wants Blount back should also be calling for Thuney/Andrews/Mason to be replaced because Blount will need a much better OL to be worth a decent size contract.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

And another. Someone get the hose.

I saw Danny Amendola re-tweeted a Bob Dylan quote a few months ago, to paraphrase, if a man is happy with what he does, money doesn't matter. Of course, both Dylan and Amendola are multi-millionaires...lol. I'm sure, though, that DA could have gotten more money several times but took a pay cut to stay in NE. When it is all said and done, you can't tell me he is going to look back and wish he had taken more $ to become irrelevant. He is now part of NFL history, with his name coming up over and over again during two famous Super Bowl runs.

 

[Ring 6]

If you sign Ryan, you are only out cash. If you sign Butler, you're out both cash and a first-round pick (assuming NE puts the first round tender on him). Losing the 1st rounder makes Butler more "expensive" so you'll likely offer less cash to him to offset that than you would if he was a true unrestricted free agent.

Put another way, the net value you receive for Ryan is Value(Ryan). The net value you receive for Butler is Value(Butler) - Value(your 1st round pick) which is less than just Value(Butler). So you're going to pay less for Value(Butler) - Value(pick) than you would pay for Value(Butler).

Butler doesn't have to accept an offer he doesn't like.
If teams discount what they will pay him because he costs a pick them he will play as an RFA and be free next year.

There is no scenario where butler can be pissed at the patriots for matching an offer he went out and agreed to sign because of what someone was paid.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Huge loss? He was 25th in the league in yards per rush and was almost totally useless in the playoffs.

His overall yards and TD's were up because he was force fed the ball at times. It's hard to imagine they couldn't get similar production from a dozen or more other guys.

Yeah, he has the occasional dominant game against bad run D and he has some good highlight reel runs. But he's not an effective short yardage runner and if his OL isn't consistently getting him to the second level, he's pretty useless.

Anyone who wants Blount back should also be calling for Thuney/Andrews/Mason to be replaced because Blount will need a much better OL to be worth a decent size contract.

Yards per rush can be misleading with a running back whose job is often times to get 2-3 yards for a first down or touchdown. Also, how many opportunities did Blount get for a 10-12 yard gain on third down out of shotgun? A lot of really tough yardage here for a guy whose role was often to pound the ball when the defense knew it was coming. I may be in the minority, but I think overall Blount was a top-1o running back last year, although it becomes harder to quantify what a running back is, since he is a classsic running back and not a James White pass catching/blocking guy.

Now, whether it makes sense to bring him back based on his age and expected production dropoff, while balancing the long-term development needs at the position, that's another story. I could see Patriots moving on from him. I don't think anyone sees Blount playing at a competitive level two years from now.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If blount goes, Eddie lacy to NE.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Blount would be a huge loss. Lock the beast up.

Hightower and Malcolm are huge losses.

Blount is a solid player but losing him is not a huge loss.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Agreed Hightower Uber Alles because of exigency, then Malcom. The rest are 'good to haves'. My 1st good to have would be Branch.