Adam Schefter: Patriots want minimum of 1st and 4th round picks for QB Jimmy Garoppolo

[Deus Irae]

Jacksonville is heavily invested in Bortles and will have to give him a couple more years before they write him off.

As of right now, Bortles' contract is up after 2017. The team has not told him whether or not they will pick up his option, and there's about 4 months before that decision deadline arrives. If Jacksonville wants, they can decline the option, pay Bortles less than $3.5m this year, and go from there.

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

Yes, and he arrived in Minnesota with 2 years on a very low-cost contract (low cost from the Vikings standpoint because the Eagles paid the signing bonus).

Where did I say it was an "automatic deal breaker"?

Someone asked why Garoppolo isn't going to get a high first round pick. I answered the question.

Sam Bradford signed a 35m contract. 22m fully gtd with a 11m signing bonus, so you take 5,5m each year that leave SBRadford with a cap figure of 12,5m each year, according to overthecap f they want to cut him next year that will cost the vikings 13m.
JG has a $1,108,513 2017 cap number + if they want tag Jimmy that will cost $17.5 million in 2018.

I don't know what ''price'' is ''right'' for JG, but if a team is willing to pay that much for a proven second-class QB, very expensive for a backup QB IMO, the sky is the limit for JG. I know the sample is small, but he is younger, cheaper, and both starts he was amazing. I think if it's not a 1st + something I rather keep him for at least one more year and get a possible 3rd for him in 2019.

 

[Rob0729]

Well technically your right but if you asked me to judge him the only major concern I would have about Jimmy is can he stay healthy. He has a quick release, he throws a nice deep ball and has fluid mechanics. As far as the Cleveland Browns GM I would gladly take that position. And I wouldn't mind making Jimmy my starting QB in 2017 and giving up the Eagles 1st round draft pick and I would even throw in a mid round pick also.

The guy can play QB and we will find out next year.

My biggest concern about Garoppolo is his tendency to hold onto the ball too long. The thing is neither Arizona nor Miami tried to exploit this. Both teams allowed his receivers clean releases off the line and played mostly zone. His first or second read was open most of the time. We haven't seen how he would do if he has to hold onto the ball and let a play develop on a consistent basis. We have seen him struggle in these situations in the preseason.

 

[Rob0729]

Like I said.....for what? There's no player worth as much or will make as big a difference as garoppolo....maybe you saw nothing, but I thought in his time on the field he showed positive big time.....you'd be an idiot to lump him in with osweiler and there's a huge shortage of even decent qbs in the league....he makes all but 2 of the afc playoff teams better

As far as we know, there might be literally hundreds of players who might be worth as much or make as big of a difference as Garoppolo. He is a complete unknown.

And I saw a QB who excelled against defenses that clearly didn't game plan to stop Garoppolo specifically. We have no idea how he will perform when teams get a book on the guy and gameplan specifically for him.

And considering several of the AFC teams in the playoffs are playing back ups at QB, I don't know if you are making a strong of a statement that you think. And we do not know if he is really an upgrade over even Alex Smith at this point.

And I am not comparing him to Osweiller because I never thought Osweiller was all that good last year. Garoppolo has a much higher ceiling, but his floor is the same as Osweiller.

 

[Rob0729]

According to Andy Heart on CSNE the Pats at best would get a late round 1st pick for Jimmy G. And more likely a high 2nd round pick... Sorry doesnt make sense to me.. Jimmy G was a 2nd round pick and is developed.. I don't understand why you can't get a high 1st round pick for him. Or a late round first and a third / 4th round pick..

Andy Hart has been stupid on this subject for a while. But I wouldn't trade Garppolo for a second rounder.

I think they will get a mid to high first and possibly a second day pick for him.

 

[IllegalContact]

As far as we know, there might be literally hundreds of players who might be worth as much or make as big of a difference as Garoppolo. He is a complete unknown.

And I saw a QB who excelled against defenses that clearly didn't game plan to stop Garoppolo specifically. We have no idea how he will perform when teams get a book on the guy and gameplan specifically for him.

And considering several of the AFC teams in the playoffs are playing back ups at QB, I don't know if you are making a strong of a statement that you think. And we do not know if he is really an upgrade over even Alex Smith at this point.

And I am not comparing him to Osweiller because I never thought Osweiller was all that good last year. Garoppolo has a much higher ceiling, but his floor is the same as Osweiller.

he's not a complete unknown

teams are free to feel that their QB's are sufficient .... day 2 or later picks are simply not worth parting with garoppolo........draft picks are 100% unknown......we know for a fact that he's not richards, easley, dowling, brace, dobson, wilson, cunningham, wheatley, jackson, johnson, klemm and should not be looking to deal him for a chance at one of them when, if needed, he could lead this team should Brady go down

 

[Rob0729]

Unfortunately not many teams can take on a new QB.

Don't forget Tony Romo may also be on the market, making it that much harder to trade Jimmy G.

Cutler is coming back for the Bears. He's a total loser, but Bears ownership might be content with being mediocre. If they are smart they would get rid of Cutler, but who knows.


Unless there is a surprise retirement (Drew Brees? Carson Palmer?) or some freak off-season injury, most teams are invested at QB already. Our trade options will be very limited.

Romo only makes sense for a team like Denver who is a QB away from competing for a title. The guy has a long injury history and will be 37 next season. He likely only has a year or two left in him before he complete falls apart. I doubt teams who are in rebuild mode like San Fran, Cleveland, or Jacksonville would pursue him especially since a team like Denver might overpay for him.

I think Cutler is done in Chicago. He has worn out his welcome there. The only reason he wasn't cut last offseason is because his contract was such that it made it impossible to do so without destroying Chicago's cap. If they cut him last season, they would have had an additional $2 million cap hit with no QB on the roster who could start. If they cut him this offseason, it frees up $13 million of cap space.

 

[IllegalContact]

Andy Hart has been stupid on this subject for a while. But I wouldn't trade Garppolo for a second rounder.

I think they will get a mid to high first and possibly a second day pick for him.

so a 1st and a 2nd? cuz that's what I've been saying all along

 

[Rob0729]

he's not a complete unknown

teams are free to feel that their QB's are sufficient .... day 2 or later picks are simply not worth parting with garoppolo........draft picks are 100% unknown......we know for a fact that he's not richards, easley, dowling, brace, dobson, wilson, cunningham, wheatley, jackson, johnson, klemm and should not be looking to deal him for a chance at one of them when, if needed, he could lead this team should Brady go down

Garoppolo is not a complete unknown, but he is close to it. 5 1/2 quarters is not enough to evaluate a QB. And let's face it, he had a good, not a great game vs. the Cards. The Pats only scored 23 points against what turned out to be a middle of the road defense (we overrated it at the time because we thought the Cards would have one of the best defenses in the league).

Sure draft picks are even more of unknown, but I assume if Belichick gets a top 10 pick he will trade it into multiple picks which increases the odds exponentially of getting an impact player.

 

[Rob0729]

so a 1st and a 2nd? cuz that's what I've been saying all along

I would take a first and a fourth. Hell, I would take a top 3 pick straight up because Belichick would trade that to a QB desperate team for a bonanza of picks.

 

[IllegalContact]

Garoppolo is not a complete unknown, but he is close to it. 5 1/2 quarters is not enough to evaluate a QB. And let's face it, he had a good, not a great game vs. the Cards. The Pats only scored 23 points against what turned out to be a middle of the road defense (we overrated it at the time because we thought the Cards would have one of the best defenses in the league).

Sure draft picks are even more of unknown, but I assume if Belichick gets a top 10 pick he will trade it into multiple picks which increases the odds exponentially of getting an impact player.

it's long enough to go without displaying a flaw.........he is by far the best available option available to any team looking for a QB and superior to Bradford who got a bunch of picks or Goff who got a bunch of picks......I would consider a top 3 pick for him if we can get rid of the pick unless myles garrett is available and even that's a maybe......giving up a cheap backup QB who could conceivably take you to the SB should come at a premium in the QB starved NFL........even if it means settling for a comp pick or tagging him and dealing with him after 2017

 

[Love The Drake]

I hold on to Jimmy and see how Brady looks next season

 

[XLIX]

Did your account get hacked or something?

Nope, but your reading skills obviously need improvement. The question asked was:

"I don't understand why you can't get a high 1st round pick for him"

Saying we can't get a high 1st round pick is not even remotely the same as saying we can't get a first rounder at all. There is a huge difference between the number three pick in the draft and the number 21 pick in the draft.

3 years of low cost certainty is only better than 1 year of low cost certainty if we're talking about similar assets. I'd rather have 3 years of market value of Tom Brady than 10 years of low cost certainty of Christian Ponder.

When this is the analogy you have to make, you really only hurt your own point.

You're assuming any 1st-round draft pick will be just as good as Jimmy, who has spent 3 years working with and learning from Brady and Belichick and Josh. But for every Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, there's a Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel. Or EJ Manuel. Or Brandon Weeden. Or Jake Locker. You get the point.

And for every Jimmy Garoppolo, there's a Jay Cutler, Matt Flynn or Matt Cassel.

It cracks me up how people in this forum seem to think that being Tom Brady's back up makes someone a significantly better quarterback. There is nothing magical about holding Tom Brady's clipboard that make someone a great quarterback. Hoyer, Cassel and Mallet are not names which we will be seeing in Canton anytime soon.

None of this means Jimmy will or won't net a 1st round pick. It just means the equation is far more complex than Jimmy has one year left on his contract vs. 4 for a rookie so nobody will trade a 1st for him.

I agree the formula is more complex than that. But none of that changes the fact that three years of low cost certainty is better than one year of low cost certainty, all else being equal.

 

[BelichickFan]

And I am not comparing him to Osweiller because I never thought Osweiller was all that good last year. Garoppolo has a much higher ceiling, but his floor is the same as Osweiller.

Osweiller supposedly has personality and work ethic issues. Based on that I would say that Jimmy's floor is significantly higher than Osweiller's. This may be going a little too far but I think Jimmy's realistic floor is Alex Smith.

 

[Love The Drake]

Floor Alex Smith Ceiling Drew Brees

 

[Love The Drake]

You dont let that walk out the door especially for a low 1st high second

 

[Ring 6]

Floor Alex Smith Ceiling Drew Brees

Like every other QB the ceiling is tom Brady and the floor is Ryan leaf.

 

[BelichickFan]

You dont let that walk out the door especially for a low 1st high second

As you know, the "problem" is that preventing him from walking out the door is out of our control soon. If we could freeze him and thaw him out as a 25 year old in 5 years when Brady retires, I would agree with you.

 

[BelichickFan]

Floor Alex Smith Ceiling Drew Brees

Those are solid realistic comps.

 

[IllegalContact]

I would take a first and a fourth. Hell, I would take a top 3 pick straight up because Belichick would trade that to a QB desperate team for a bonanza of picks.

I just think a team dying for a QB would die for Garoppolo long before Kizer or the Trubsnik(sp) guy considering they would have to back up the truck for either of those 2 and they are much more unknown